tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post1137718985463910036..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Seattle Schools High School DiscussionMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1277591683235104212019-10-29T04:36:52.589-07:002019-10-29T04:36:52.589-07:00Interesting, reader, that you suggest it's sol...Interesting, reader, that you suggest it's solely some kind of deficiency with the students. <br />Very useful information thanks for sharing.Baccalaureate Classhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11558893430058529758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-7371741743630207762017-02-14T08:25:35.889-08:002017-02-14T08:25:35.889-08:00@ DMC,
Yes, the Language Immersion pathway is NO...@ DMC, <br /><br />Yes, the Language Immersion pathway is NOT the same thing as IB. The LI pathways is simply a continuation of enriched language classes for Japanese and Spanish immersion students. These classes were placed at Ingraham, not because of the fit with IB but because Lincoln was the only school with space. Many of those students had lobbied for Roosevelt, which was their attendance school, but Roosevelt did not have space for an additional program. <br /><br />Those classes are easily moved and while nothing is ever 100%, it is near certain they will be moved to Lincoln. Both because Lincoln high school was the official LI task force recommendation and the vast majority of LI students live in the walk zone for Lincoln. <br /><br />While in theory anything can happen, many of the puzzle pieces for Lincoln dropping in and LI is a big piece. <br /><br />The capacity BAR this week that stated that the 18-21 year old Bridges program will be placed at Lincoln tells us that the design for Lincoln included this program so that is another piece of the puzzle. <br /><br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58262794234465918732017-02-13T17:23:05.253-08:002017-02-13T17:23:05.253-08:00Kellie--Is the language immersion pathway differen...Kellie--Is the language immersion pathway different from the IB program? I assume so, but it is confusing.<br /><br />DMCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-26612531234640588802017-02-13T14:14:55.461-08:002017-02-13T14:14:55.461-08:00@ Befuddled,
Language Immersion is a "pathw...@ Befuddled, <br /><br />Language Immersion is a "pathway" in the same manner that HCC is a pathway. A choice seat is a lottery seat, that you can apply for and may or may not receive. A pathway seat is a seat that you are guaranteed and is therefore not a choice seat. <br /><br />If Lincoln is designated as the Language Immersion Pathway, which was the official recommendation from the Language Immersion task force, then yes, your student would be moved from Ingraham to Lincoln. If Lincoln is NOT designated as the pathway school (highly unlikely) then you would be able to remain at Ingraham as part of the pathway. <br /><br />As Lincoln was the task force's requested placement, it is very reasonable to expect that the geo-zones for both JSIS and McDonald will be within the future Lincoln boundaries. <br /><br />Director Burke is hosting a meeting this Friday about Lincoln at 6:30 in the Hamilton Commons. this would be a great question to raise at that meeting. <br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76642172262500318262017-02-13T13:28:58.102-08:002017-02-13T13:28:58.102-08:00I thought if you chose a "choice" school...I thought if you chose a "choice" school versus a "reference" school you are permitted to continue to attend that "choice" school through the highest grade offered.<br /><br />In other words, my Hamilton 8th grader has a guaranteed slot at Ingraham due to the language immersion pathway. Our reference HS is Roosevelt. We clearly live in the area that would be rezoned to Lincoln HS. My understanding was my student would be permitted to finish her high school at Ingraham due to it being a "choice" assignment.<br /><br />Is this incorrect?<br /><br />Befuddled, frustrated and fed up SPS parentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44104161786678209952017-02-13T08:18:00.324-08:002017-02-13T08:18:00.324-08:00Lynn makes an excellent point about the Capacity B...Lynn makes an excellent point about the Capacity BAR. <br /><br />The elementary calculations are made on rolling back elementary class size reductions. High School are also losing between 1-3 FTE in the budget cuts. If the money is found to restore high school funding, will there be enough class room space?<br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71201165195872981882017-02-13T00:53:48.832-08:002017-02-13T00:53:48.832-08:00Note also that they expect to spend $90,000 to con...Note also that they expect to spend $90,000 to convert Fairmount Park's three year old computer lab into a classroom. The build has two preschool classrooms. Why not move them into Arbor Heights (capacity 660 and expected enrollment 427) and save that money? Unless removing the lab means they won't be able to administer the MAP and SBAC. That might be worth $90,000.<br /><br />What are non-capital solutions for Garfield? <br /><br />The important thing to know about the capacity management plan is that they based it on rolling back the decreased elementary school class sizes. If the legislatures fixes the levy cliff we'll need many more classrooms. <br />Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-34336415474332626502017-02-12T17:00:18.463-08:002017-02-12T17:00:18.463-08:00Well, I misread the BAR on the issue of the Bridge...Well, I misread the BAR on the issue of the Bridges program. They want to move it to Ingraham temporarily (two years) at a cost of $640,000 and then move it back to Lincoln. I asked the Directors to consider keeping the program at Ingraham, given how much they are already paying for it to be at Ingraham. (And, that program used to be at the Marshall building and it had all the necessary infrastructure. I would assume that they tore that all out long ago.)Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91146969327463904852017-02-12T16:49:49.087-08:002017-02-12T16:49:49.087-08:00Sorry, link to BAR:
https://www.seattleschools.or...Sorry, link to BAR:<br /><br />https://www.seattleschools.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_543/File/District/Departments/School%20Board/16-17agendas/02_01_2017/I05_20170201_Action_Report_Capacity_Management_2017-18_packet.pdfMelissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-5170633885888725662017-02-12T16:49:26.133-08:002017-02-12T16:49:26.133-08:00I have been perusing the Board meeting agenda. You...I have been perusing the Board meeting agenda. You might want to take a look at the BAR for "Approval of Capacity Management Actions for the 2017-2018 School Year." Of interest:<br /><br />- K-5 & K-8 schools Projected to grow by 0.8% <br />- Middle schools Projected to grow by 2.8%<br />- High schools Projected to grow by 4.3%<br /><br />This growth forecast translates into a projected need for twenty-two (22) new homerooms across the district.<br /><br />"New space is also required to support program placement necessary to vacate the Lincoln campus in preparation for the BEX IV/BTA IV high school reopening work. Three (3) classroom spaces and a changing table-ready restroom are needed at Ingraham High School to accommodate the Bridges 18-21 transition program move from the Lincoln campus, and two (2) classroom spaces are needed to accommodate the Huchoosedah Indian Education program move from the Lincoln campus. The Bridges move is for two years. Bridges will move back to Lincoln when it re-opens as a comprehensive high school in fall 2019."<br /><br />I don't know how many were aware that the Bridges program is in Lincoln and will remain there. That's fine but it's part of the capacity puzzle for that building. There is such a program at South Lake High but I assume they wanted a north-end program placement as well. I am a bit confused because the last page of the BAR says that Bridges will go to Ingraham. <br /><br />"At Garfield High School no Capital solutions are available to provide the eight (8) additional classrooms needed to support projected enrollment growth. Non-Capital solutions are needed to support Garfield’s enrollment for the next two school years (2017-18 and 2018-19). Garfield will receive relief from the re-opening of Lincoln High School in fall 2019."<br /><br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-80385858399050129662017-02-12T10:17:20.946-08:002017-02-12T10:17:20.946-08:00Good idea. It looks to me like this is a baroque a...Good idea. It looks to me like this is a baroque and expensive problem for a solution that does not exist since the school day and instruction time are not altered. I also saw in the report that teacher interaction time would be reduced and counselors substituted. That's more de-professionalization of teaching that the district so very much loves.<br /><br />-FleeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59295087747141597042017-02-12T08:47:48.754-08:002017-02-12T08:47:48.754-08:00All of the committee members can be found in Appen...All of the committee members can be found in Appendix A of the report. <br /><br />IMHO, the entire report should be scrapped. We have a major district wide capacity problem and the Core 24 folks were working in a vacuum. There were no capacity experts on this committee. <br /><br />When I read the report, my conclusion was that they were simply taking the precise amount of resources and dividing it into 15 slots instead of 12 slots. Why don't we just magically declare all 1.0 courses to be worth 1.25, as that is the net impact, if no additional time is added to the school day or money is added to high school. <br /><br />The other net impact is that most students will only have more homework and less teacher contact. As the day is now 15 slots, but students would still only be guaranteed 12 slots per year and will actually have 3 empty slots each year. There was this magical thinking that any student could then take extra stuff. But in reality the priority for those 3 slots will be for credit retrieval, not enrichment. <br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-89693842157342176452017-02-11T15:33:02.601-08:002017-02-11T15:33:02.601-08:00Thanks, Kellie.
"We thank the task force for...Thanks, Kellie.<br /><br />"We thank the task force for the extensive research and family engagement that informs this thorough report,” said Superintendent Nyland.<br /><br />Extensive research? Family engagement?<br /><br />Can someone familiar with district staff identify how many principals are on the 24 Credit Task Force and from what schools? J.Hudson from Nathan Hale and? What representatives do they have from high schools where a significant number of students take AP and IB classes?<br /><br />No 3x5!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-47180287042496085102017-02-11T13:29:01.120-08:002017-02-11T13:29:01.120-08:00Here is the link to the 24 credit final report and...Here is the link to the 24 credit final report and their recommendations. This is the committee that recommended the 3x5 schedule. <br /><br />http://www.seattleschools.org/cms/One.aspx?portalId=627&pageId=11377442kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-83120616929244665362017-02-10T22:31:59.536-08:002017-02-10T22:31:59.536-08:00I would like to learn more about the potential 5x3...I would like to learn more about the potential 5x3 schedule and what this would mean for the core classes and electives. Would a student need to be taking all four core classes all three trimesters and what would this mean if a student wanted to take two electives?<br />AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29145725819523404502017-02-10T22:25:45.474-08:002017-02-10T22:25:45.474-08:00Confused,
If your child attends Ballard for 9th gr...Confused,<br />If your child attends Ballard for 9th grade, there is a chance he will move to Lincoln the next year. We are supposed to know the new boundaries by this October, so if you live in the Lincoln boundary, then he will go to Lincoln for 10th, 11th, and 12th grade. From what I have read in the comments, it seems more likely that Queen Anne students will move to Lincoln. You will probably find out in October if your child is going to Lincoln.<br />-JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16535616038532098692017-02-10T20:35:37.064-08:002017-02-10T20:35:37.064-08:00ah kellie, thanks! and do schools get anything for...ah kellie, thanks! and do schools get anything for those 100% kids? they do need counselors right? <br /><br />no caps<br /><br />not mc-tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9189060970538615792017-02-10T19:49:12.548-08:002017-02-10T19:49:12.548-08:00To add:
- it's old news but worth repeating o...To add:<br /><br />- it's old news but worth repeating over and over (so the district never screws up like this again): the biggest mistake was to let Queen Anne High go. We see these capacity problems over and over. <br /><br />- The district should give high schools the same talking points for what is going to happen for high school assignments for the future and NOT allow high schools to say all sorts of things. That's the least the district can do if they are not going to have any real idea of what will happen (or, more likely, won't say - they always know what they want to do.)<br /><br />- Running Start. Well, one of the things that both Dems and Reps in the Legislature are ignoring is the funding for charter schools. As I have previously said, I attended the last hearing for the current challenge to the charter school law. It is currently funded out of lottery dollars (which are now flat with no real growth on the horizon.) As you may recall, there are other items funded out of lottery funds like Running Start and tribal schools. <br /><br />If the law is upheld and they do expand to 40 charters, there is not enough money in lottery funds for that and supporting the other programs. So they can either cut some funding to some things OR find other funding. But they are not common schools (under the constitution) so they really can't access the General Fund.<br /><br />What to do?Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-36475626748317998012017-02-10T19:29:29.150-08:002017-02-10T19:29:29.150-08:00@ no caps,
There is full time running start, whe...@ no caps, <br /><br />There is full time running start, where students are 100% at the community college and they have no classes at the high school. Then there is part time running start, where students are at both campuses. <br /><br />The high school is funded according to student FTE and part time Running Start students will only bring a fraction of the money with them. <br /><br />Per the p223s, there are about 300 full time running start students and about 600 FTE running start students, who are part time. That 600 could represent up to 1800 actual people who are split their time between both campuses. kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58550346068972247802017-02-10T19:22:01.055-08:002017-02-10T19:22:01.055-08:00@ PL,
Capacity constraints at the community coll...@ PL, <br /><br />Capacity constraints at the community college work the same way they do at high school.<br /><br />If you enroll in high school, the school has to give you a seat and some classes. They are under no obligation to give you any specific classes, outside of graduation requirements. <br /><br />In other words, they need to give AN elective. They don't need to give you THE elective that runs in sequence to your prior coursework. AKA 3rd year foreign language, 4th year math, specialty science class, those are all electives and available on a space available basis. <br /><br />My daughter takes swimming because she loves it. But every semester there are students who don't want to be there at all, but it was the ONLY class available at that time slot as there is no enrollment limit on that class. <br /><br />The community college also has to give you some course. If you are full time running start, they need to give you graduation requirements. If you are part time, they can give you anything that is space available. <br /><br />Capacity constraints at the community college limit WHICH class you can take, but they can't turn you away and they have to give you some course. <br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42063232004095725282017-02-10T19:05:23.592-08:002017-02-10T19:05:23.592-08:00Here is an example of how this works in practice, ...<br />Here is an example of how this works in practice, using math as an example, to answer oy and pl's questions. <br /><br />The graduation requirement for math is 6 semesters of math. That means 4th year math is officially an elective and there is no guarantee that you will get the elective you want. <br /><br />The predetermined range looks like this.<br /><br />* Algebra 1<br />* Geometry <br />* Algebra 2<br /><br />That said, SPS officially permits students to be two years ahead. This extends the range with <br /><br />* Pre Cal <br />* Cal AB<br /><br />Over and above this range would be <br /><br />* Statistics<br />* Cal BC<br /><br />Then of course, you have some students who are behind and need to be brought up to the range. <br /><br />So building the master schedule would go like this. <br /><br />1) The math slots are first filled with the appropriate number of Algebra - Calc AB slots. <br />2) Any remediation classes are added. <br />3) Whatever is left, can be used for Statistics / Cal BC. <br /><br /><br />If you are in your senior year and you want a math class, you better hope that you are one of the lucky ones that gets that slot. This is why so many of the "advanced" courses wind up with 45 students or students go to Running Start because the one time that class is offered conflicts with an actual graduation requirement. <br /><br />And requirements are required before an elective. <br /><br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62276473766913475242017-02-10T19:01:39.841-08:002017-02-10T19:01:39.841-08:00lynn,thanks for the facts as always! one correctio...<br />lynn,thanks for the facts as always! one correction though. hc is no longer a "program." that went away with app. it is now a service in line with the state's mandated services. that is why tomorrow tolley could say all hs are able to provide services to hc kids. <br /><br />one jarring fact is that the altf-2 recommended specific pd for counseling for all hs for hc kids so they could deal with their extraneous issues related to hc. hs said no. why? ask the ostrich what they see in the sand. same reason. <br /><br />this is sad. the percentage of suicide within this group is really jaw dropping. and those tasked in the future with serving them refused free training for this specific sub-group of learners. <br /><br />in addition, if you come to sps as a hc kid and you were entering into any school other than garfield -- you are in a tough place especially if you have been accelerated. you may be forced to retake classes. you may be stuck in the office as an assistant. it could be pretty non-academic 4 years for them.<br /><br />kellie, thank you for your factual post as well. i know more than one 10th grader who has had their counselor mention running start. that said they aren't out of the building all day right? i thought i heard that ghs doesn't get them counted for funding even thought they are in the building every day. <br /><br />no capsnot mc-tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43787521332555908992017-02-10T18:52:40.494-08:002017-02-10T18:52:40.494-08:00High Schools are funded with one teacher for every...High Schools are funded with one teacher for every 30 students. Therefore, it seems absolutely logical and reasonable that if there are 30 students who want X advanced class, that this class should be offered because any class with 30 students should be the same as any other full class. <br /><br />However, this is not how it works in practice. High School is the master schedule. Each teacher assigned to a high school represents 5 slots on a master schedule, not 30 students. <br /><br />When you build a master schedule, the order that classes are added matters tremendously, because you stop building the schedule when you run out of teachers and slots. You start building the schedule with graduation requirements. After all the graduation requirements are on the schedule, then you can add the "college readiness" courses and the "unique classes."<br /><br />I'm not saying that all of sudden, there will be nothing but graduation requirements offered. I am saying that there is a lot of competition for each slot on the master schedule. If you have 3 FTE math teachers, that is 15 slots and the first priority for those slots goes to the graduation requirements and the remaining slots can be used for other classes. <br /><br /><br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-66620578387866796462017-02-10T17:55:24.865-08:002017-02-10T17:55:24.865-08:00P.S. Kellie-- However there may very well be capac...P.S. Kellie-- However there may very well be capacity/budget constraints at the community colleges for all who want running start. A big increase in running start would mean the community colleges would also need to have the space, budget etc. That might not be the case.<br />-PLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-63011373002016542632017-02-10T17:51:18.235-08:002017-02-10T17:51:18.235-08:00I am not following. Why would they eliminate AP co...I am not following. Why would they eliminate AP courses specifically with growing enrollment if they would be full? Why not add additional sections like Garfield? Especially if the plan is to relieve Garfield and make HCC pathways at additional high schools. My best guess is that schools growing Ballard, Roosevelt Garfield etc. are growing with students who will likely take those classes. Why par down to multiple sections of general ed courses instead? <br />-PL Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com