tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post1481345812917410489..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: PowerSchool roll outMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-17645022231519035432014-02-07T03:45:28.662-08:002014-02-07T03:45:28.662-08:00Make Money Online is very easy now, In Internet sy...Make Money Online is very easy now, In Internet system we have now best earning system without any work, Just Invest some Money into your Business and Make Perfect Life time Earnings with this Business.<br />Join Now for Make Perfect Business and Earn Money online from home.<br />www.hotfxearnings.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14889805183759781650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43603411270470804672014-01-24T22:49:26.041-08:002014-01-24T22:49:26.041-08:00The Best Lol n Troll Network with the Name of Lols...The Best Lol n Troll Network with the Name of Lols Gag... 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Devel...When you say 20 IT people, what do you mean? Developers? DBAs? With 2 developers and one DBA, they could have built a custom solution in less time than they spent "transitioning."<br /><br />I have seen custom solutions built in two months, including gathering requirements and like-to-haves, and moving all users over in one night. With perhaps a few hours of middle of the night down time.<br /><br />This is important.We should spend the money to make sure the IT department has developers and a DBA. <br /><br />Or what about this, work with the UW comp sci department. Nice meaty project with a community service aspect.Sydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08715140880268606856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44158220780028499372013-09-17T20:26:42.832-07:002013-09-17T20:26:42.832-07:00SPS Teacher, I don't doubt that was your exper...SPS Teacher, I don't doubt that was your experience with the old Source, but I did hear keeping their real grades in Excel from several different teachers, and they have no reason to lie that I can think of. If the Source seemed easier than keeping their real grades in Excel and then copying them over periodically I'm sure they'd have used it.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16260807460417787614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6841613487334431362013-09-17T19:30:42.386-07:002013-09-17T19:30:42.386-07:00• One of the hardest hit departments in the last s...• One of the hardest hit departments in the last several years has been IT. The last # I heard of in-the-school network support personnel was about 20 – with about 50,000 students and 100 schools… do the math. No doubt they’re swamped and yet mostly talented from my experience. Many schools are now paying for extra IT support out of their school budgets.<br />• I suspect the same lack of funding may have been part of why the Power School transition has been so rough (and part of the prior Source issues and even now the minimal Fusion support). I may be wrong but I never heard of extra staff being hired on to help – if you’re going to have a major systems overhaul affecting 1000s of employees and 100,000+ users (students & parents) it seems reasonable to me to bring on 4-6 extra IT staff for the 1-2 year transition (infrastructure, training, support, etc.). I doubt this had upper level support.<br />• I can’t guarantee there weren’t incompetence screw-ups along the way, but I fear the lack of IT support $$ by the district towards IT is more of a root cause. Upper level staff would much rather hire consultants/coaches to tell teachers how to teach than actually put $$ into the systems that would keep the networks running, enhance teaching grading/paperwork tracking efficiency, and provide more powerful classroom computers to actually allow technology to be an educational tool rather than a source of frustration.<br />• I went through several major software transitions pre-teaching. Although I like many aspects of the Source and Fusion software packages I agree the transition has been unnecessarily difficult, especially the lost August transition/preparation time. Although the national push is for $$ to only be spent in the classroom, I for one would strongly state extra $$ spent on IT support very easily translates into direct support for my classroom. <br />• I’m sorry Patrick, but having used the Source for a few years there simply was no reason for teachers to keep “their real grades on Excel spreadsheets”, especially as that returns grading to a black-box model hidden from students and parents. That really bothers me and actually teachers who do not keep their Source grades reasonably up to date hinder student feedback and make the rest of us look bad/lazy. Although the Source/PowerSchool/Fusion tools are just good and not great, there’s no reason not to utilize these as our best parent communication tools.<br />• Students “blog posts” in Fusion use anonymous names like orange parakeet (color/animal) which are randomly determined unless a student overrides their personal name prior to their 1st post. All posts must be approved by teachers for appropriateness (inappropriate words, personally identifying information) prior to their showing up. IF any personally identifying information shows up inform the teacher (and concurrently the principal if you’re concerned about a timely correction).<br /><br />SPS TeacherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82520348186298958072013-09-17T13:10:00.208-07:002013-09-17T13:10:00.208-07:00Nightly maintenance? Seriously? What, is it 1975?...Nightly maintenance? Seriously? What, is it 1975? There's no excuse for something like this in a modern enterprise application.<br /><br />I'm hoping that they're just doing night work to finish the roll-out, since they had so many problems, and that this won't continue for long. If this is really the service level for a customer-facing system, I'm appalled. TechyMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04650916001250022778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84464814110335302142013-09-17T12:53:40.953-07:002013-09-17T12:53:40.953-07:00Phew - thanks HP for that clarification.
-Down wi...Phew - thanks HP for that clarification.<br /><br />-Down with PowersourceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28305264936627216732013-09-17T12:44:59.492-07:002013-09-17T12:44:59.492-07:00I believe if you click on the individual grade for...I believe if you click on the individual grade for a class it will bring up all the assignments and grades that make up that overall grade. You should be able to see if anything is missing from there.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-15160564585400089692013-09-17T12:06:33.117-07:002013-09-17T12:06:33.117-07:00Jane asked: Does this new integration mean we won&...Jane asked: <i>Does this new integration mean we won't have to toggle between the Source and the fusion pages? I hope so.</i><br /><br />I hope NOT! According to <a href="http://saveseattleschools.blogspot.com/2013/09/seattle-schools-technology-updates.html" rel="nofollow">this page</a>The Source/Powerschool is run by SPS, but Fusion is a third party company that also gathers data for the military.<br /><br />How the @%!# did our kids data get punched into THAT system?! I guess it's not just CCER that wants our kids' data, Fusion even includes kids' "blog posts". Are you all okay with this? I'm inclined to tell my kid not to post anything on that site. How else do we protest something like this? Can anyone verify that Fusion is not run and managed by SPS?dwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1861618848842585592013-09-17T09:25:44.557-07:002013-09-17T09:25:44.557-07:00As a parent, I found the previous SOURCE to be an ...As a parent, I found the previous SOURCE to be an essential tool. At HIMS, there were several occasions where teachers accidentally misplaced an article of work. My student and I were able to track down these problems and rectify them immediately when the failing grade for the assignment appeared on the SOURCE. It was also extremely useful to track down problems and apply additional studying to bring up grades. Certainly my student got tired of having me point to the SOURCE and say "What about THIS??!" But it was a hugely helpful tool to stay on top of things.<br /><br />For these reasons, I am disappointed at the clunky nature of Powersource. Furthermore, if the teachers find it difficult to use there will be less compliance with posting homework scores. I cannot see, based on the layout of the gradesheet, how individual homework assignments will be listed. Am I missing something? Only quarter grades are indicated which is useless to parents. Can anyone tell me how I can access grades for individual assignments? The fusion pages show assignments but not grades.<br /><br />-Down with PowersourceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-67738370208885868032013-09-17T07:30:11.795-07:002013-09-17T07:30:11.795-07:00That was me above, HP.That was me above, HP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-26758154708176830812013-09-17T07:29:34.934-07:002013-09-17T07:29:34.934-07:00Frustrated, didn't you see the message on the ...Frustrated, didn't you see the message on the Source? I never received anything from the school and our family is new to the public schools but the Source itself made me switch to the new software for the 2nd semester grades last year. Did they only do that for high schools?<br /><br />Now, I can't see last years grades at all. Just this years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45051646873434031482013-09-16T22:05:26.273-07:002013-09-16T22:05:26.273-07:00This is my favorite message when I could have time...This is my favorite message when I could have time to check on my student's info:<br />"Source and PowerSchool are down for Nightly Maintenance. Please check back after 6am."<br />Is this going to be every night?<br />Frustrated 2<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28081523487531853722013-09-16T21:38:19.404-07:002013-09-16T21:38:19.404-07:00I was caught off-guard by the switch, and didn'...I was caught off-guard by the switch, and didn't know about the change until I read about it here in late August. A few comments here mentioned that there were instructions to set up new credentials for the new system last spring, so I searched back through emails from that time, and don't see any notice from the district or from either of my kids' schools. As a result, I've been shut out since mid June.<br /><br />At this point, my middle school son has access to his student account because his school gave information directly to him. I can view his info there, but I do not have a way to access the parent account or information for my other son. The new credentials have not been communicated from the district, or from either school in the back-to-school welcome packs. <br /><br />My guess is that the district was supposed to handle this last spring and this fall, but hasn't done so. Now there's a misunderstanding at the individual school level as to what to communicate and how to communicate it to families. <br /><br />-FrustratedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9720472207874651712013-09-16T19:15:43.836-07:002013-09-16T19:15:43.836-07:00one of those sources terrified of attracting atten...one of those sources terrified of attracting attention of the jscee Tolley head hunter crowd says the district went with the little birdy option on power-junk: cheep cheep cheep. <br /><br />it certainly appears that the handling of this roll out could be another chapter of Advanced SPS Systems Managment 801. Make sure that individuals who are unqualified and unaccountable make snap decisions, unless you have a committee of the unqualified and unaccountable to duck decisions. Make sure key decisions points are never really figured out, except for a few which are randomly sprinkled among the unqualified and unaccountable individuals and committees so that the boondogle can really grow. <br /><br />OH yeah, have we hired CONsultant people affiliated with LEV-SFC-A4E-MSFT... with no track record of implementing anything on time or on budget to tell the unaccountable how to stay behind the curtain? <br /><br />TrainWreckAgainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20869261237315629342013-09-16T17:05:48.280-07:002013-09-16T17:05:48.280-07:00The tools that teachers have now for attendance an...The tools that teachers have now for attendance and grading are worse than what we had before. They appear to have never been auditioned before an actual working classroom teacher, because many even very simple, obvious things are missing and/or inadequately implemented. Eric Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17663977355241677800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-65138050514055240512013-09-16T16:55:43.947-07:002013-09-16T16:55:43.947-07:00Kate Martin, the impression I got from teachers wa...Kate Martin, the impression I got from teachers was similar, with the addition that the old Source was so poor they kept their real grades on Excel spreadsheets and entering them onto the Source was completely extra work. It wasn't just technology-adverse teachers who didn't use it, it was teachers who thought it was a waste of their time to keep grades in two places. And it's hard to argue that's a better use of their time than lesson planning or helping students or much of anything else teachers could be doing.<br /><br />I hope the new Source is good enough that teachers won't feel the need to keep the real grades in Excel.<br /><br />Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16260807460417787614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29193367310335151062013-09-16T15:54:58.486-07:002013-09-16T15:54:58.486-07:00How much notice did the District get about the Pea...How much notice did the District get about the Pearson acquisition?<br /><br />At least two full school years. Many school districts moved off esis and onto other platforms last year. Mary that other school districts game for changing over last year was better to make the transition before esis support completely went away that be stuck with nothing. Not that many people choose to continue with our schools. There is a common believe that it does not have the capability to serve a larger school District and instead of product best use by small school districts or networks of private schools.<br /><br />-IMO<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-61390419273892479242013-09-16T15:12:40.616-07:002013-09-16T15:12:40.616-07:00Like MAP, like PBIS, like IEPOnline, like everythi...Like MAP, like PBIS, like IEPOnline, like everything else, the district will use the discredited "Train the Trainer" model, which I take to mean train one person in a building who will then have no time or inclination or sufficient background to train everyone else.mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57474980701921913772013-09-16T14:55:52.879-07:002013-09-16T14:55:52.879-07:00I remember when I ran for school board in 2011 tha...I remember when I ran for school board in 2011 that many teachers repeatedly told me that they did not receive any training on using The Source when it rolled out. Additionally, there was not a contract requirement to actually use The Source. Teachers had the option to contact families with information in other ways though my experience was that those who did not use it did not use some other way to contact families. I believe there are a fair number of technology-averse teachers, so training to use the software is essential. What might be no problem for techy types, could prove a real challenge for others. Kate Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-56111514195460912652013-09-16T14:28:11.249-07:002013-09-16T14:28:11.249-07:00Thanks SEMom, but it looks like the SPS version do...Thanks <b>SEMom,</b> but it looks like the SPS version doesn't support that feature: <a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/dots/source/tour.pdf?sessionid=7154abebf599a4a06c617bbff57baacd" rel="nofollow"> Source Tour</a>. Maybe we can't afford it!Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31800416136401195012013-09-16T14:23:00.109-07:002013-09-16T14:23:00.109-07:00I haven't had any problems logging into the So...I haven't had any problems logging into the Source. Does this new integration mean we won't have to toggle between the Source and the fusion pages? I hope so.<br /><br />JaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49246828778002486672013-09-16T13:58:30.015-07:002013-09-16T13:58:30.015-07:00My daughter has PowerSchool at her private high sc...My daughter has PowerSchool at her private high school. It works great. On her page there is a link for grade history so that you can go back to previous semesters. It provides the current semester GPA but does not give the cumulative GPA.SE Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537722194376827564noreply@blogger.com