tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post2068281596627002556..comments2024-03-18T16:51:10.406-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Map of School GrowthMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62886262079813711592010-11-13T15:47:04.334-08:002010-11-13T15:47:04.334-08:00the scouting organizations pool money.the scouting organizations pool money.kid not like the othershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17358484850912682313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-2544983710576910812010-11-13T13:00:50.648-08:002010-11-13T13:00:50.648-08:00I have been thinking about Charlie's point &qu...I have been thinking about Charlie's point "The District needs to stop looking at schools and start looking at students. It needs to respond to struggling students by sending support to the students - wherever they are (even north of the Ship Canal) - instead of sending support to the schools or the teachers."<br /><br />and he has really pinpointed the problem. SPS prioritizes institutional spending over student spending. They throw money at consultants, coaches, management systems, evaluation systems, testing and data systems instead of spending it on direct services to students. This reminds me of Reagan era trickle down economics, the idea that somehow all these millions of dollars are going to translate into improved student learning. It was called voodoo economics for a reason...it doesn't work. <br /><br />My students did extremely well last year on the MSP and I was asked by my principal to attribute their success to concrete factors. <br /><br />1. Small class size. I was able to give students an abundance of individual attention, work with small groups on a regular basis, and individualize assignments to support struggling learners.<br /><br />2. I had a tutor in my room 3 times a week paid for by PTSA money.<br /><br />3. I taught an after school class 2 times a week paid for by grant money from the Families and Education levy.<br /><br />My teaching wasn't significantly different than it had been in the past. I wasn't coached. I didn't use MAP scores to plan my lessons. No money trickled down from the district to help my kids. It all came from outside sources.<br /><br />This year we had to cut our counselor to half time to pay for a teacher. The WSS only gave us enough money for 4.8 teachers when we need 6. Our principal had to seek out private funding to pay for tutors in the classroom, and our PTSA always has to help us balance our budget. <br /><br />I read DeBell's email about shifting budget priorities and I sincerely hope it happens. Schools need to be fully funded first and the next step is to fund direct services to students. If coaches are such effective teachers, they should be actually teaching kids. not teachers. <br /><br />How you spend your money reveals what you value most. I think it is painfully clear what the district values least. <br /><br />Dismayed TeacherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23069409542755598772010-11-13T11:02:02.245-08:002010-11-13T11:02:02.245-08:00RE: Pooling. Something to consider:
Many of the SE...RE: Pooling. Something to consider:<br />Many of the SE schools (and possibly elsewhere in the cities) have NO PTA, so who would get and determine the use of the pooled funds?SolvayGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12709893209963350066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-89909748787125091452010-11-13T10:37:28.651-08:002010-11-13T10:37:28.651-08:00I agree with Perspective on this one. Pooling dep...I agree with Perspective on this one. Pooling depersonalizes the act of giving too much, and attenuates too much the acts of sacrificing and giving from the results. I want to see first-hand, and speak first-hand with the people spending my dollars. This is already a ridiculously expensive place to live, and getting more so all the time. Thus, any dollars I can give require sacrifice. Pooling funds would lead to the district just taking parents fundraising more and more for granted. I take pride in my local school, and have no qualms that that's the way it should be.wseadawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08750439461734046035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64779825780760023832010-11-13T09:59:16.913-08:002010-11-13T09:59:16.913-08:00All discussion of the distribution of PTA funds is...All discussion of the distribution of PTA funds is a distraction.<br /><br />We can - and should - make a policy that PTA funds cannot be used to pay for any basic education expense (classroom teachers).<br /><br />PTA funding should only be for enrichment, not for basics.<br /><br />Unfortunately the District has no policies that regulate any grant acceptance. PTA funding is essentially a non-competitive grant.<br /><br />Unfortunately the District does not adequately fund schools so PTAs have to raise cash to pay for basics.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60513230457327108262010-11-13T09:43:51.509-08:002010-11-13T09:43:51.509-08:00ridiculous to mandate pooling, and I can't thi...<i>ridiculous to mandate pooling, and I can't think of one other fundraising institution that does that</i><br /><br />My memory is that Portland Public Schools does it this way (we've had this entire discussion within the past two years.)Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9974251134260223162010-11-12T21:50:14.841-08:002010-11-12T21:50:14.841-08:00Pooling fundraising shouldn't be mandatory. If...Pooling fundraising shouldn't be mandatory. If a family is kind and generous enough to donate to their kids school then the funds should go to their kids school unless they specify otherwise. It is ridiculous to mandate pooling, and I can't think of one other fundraising institution that does that.<br /><br />Make it voluntary. Put a box on the PTSA donation form that asks "would you like to donate 40% of your funds to the pool?" or "I would like to donate and extra X amount of $$$ to the pool". But don't don't make it mandatory. Donations are a gift, and the giftor has every right to specify where he/she wants his money to go.<br /><br />Mandate pooling and people will push back by donating less or not donating at all.<br /><br />In an effort to raise more funds my sons high school started charging $10 PP for a play (that's $40 for a family of 4), $75 for a freshman yearbook, etc. I pay it, happily, but since I have a finite amount of fundraising dollars, I have to give less to the annual campaign and other school fundraisers. <br /><br />Mandate pooling, and families will push back by finding ways around it (donate directly to sports boosters, science boosters, band, car washes, etc).seattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01231800476411684686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29988014587504834132010-11-12T21:42:15.017-08:002010-11-12T21:42:15.017-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.seattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01231800476411684686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19459691892468324932010-11-12T15:32:42.103-08:002010-11-12T15:32:42.103-08:00Back when this talk about pooling PTA funding was ...Back when this talk about pooling PTA funding was discussed before, the discussion included mention of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensatory education funding that went to schools in the south-end. The Title I money and LAP money was much more commonly six figures than any PTA money ever was.<br /><br />So what were the schools doing with all of that money - $300,000 - $400,000 in a lot of cases? We never knew.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19305576784297039492010-11-12T13:55:50.570-08:002010-11-12T13:55:50.570-08:00"Why can't the SCPTSA revisit the idea of..."Why can't the SCPTSA revisit the idea of PTA funds be pooled together and redistributed based on needs? For example, let each school with a PTA that can raise funds keep a certain percentage (i.e. 60%) for their school use and send the remaining 40% to the pool."<br /><br />They can't "revisit" it because it was never discussed (as far as I know and I did ask Ramona about it once). Again, the SCPTSA needs a new direction and that might be one to at least talk about.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32628022181496314812010-11-12T13:19:20.296-08:002010-11-12T13:19:20.296-08:00Questions for the State Auditor?
Here is the Seat...<b>Questions for the State Auditor?<br /><br />Here is the Seattle Contact information:</b><br /><br />Contacts in Seattle: all at 206-615-0555<br /><br />Carol Ehlinger - Audit Manager<br /><br />Tony Martinez - Assistant Audit Manager<br /><br />Rick Thorson - Assistant Audit Manager<br />thorsonr@sao.wa.gov<br /><br />State Auditor's Office<br />Seattle municipal tower<br />700 5th ave.<br /><br />suite 4144<br /><br />Seattle 98104-5045dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91776569013587957762010-11-12T13:17:19.542-08:002010-11-12T13:17:19.542-08:00Great point, Solvay.
I think MTV and related ch...Great point, Solvay. <br /><br />I think MTV and related channels are pure burlesque trash, and proof positive is that anyone, anywhere knows who or what "Snooki" is. I'm humiliated to admit that I've watched 2 minutes of that car-crash called Jersey Shore, and I'll be doing time in mental lock-down trying to purge it from my head permanently 'til the day I die. Blech!<br /><br />I cannot fathom where the glee and guilty pleasure comes from in anyone who surrenders a moment of their day to such gutter trash. <br /><br />We're all guilty of the materialism that's at the root of it all. Where getting attention, in any way, at any cost, is of ultimate importance, and achievement is that corny thing boy scouts & bookworms do. <br /><br />The cool thing has jumped the shark. It's time to realize we need to disapprove of the bad choices and destructive habits our kids form every time we, or they cave into the peer pressure, and Madison Avenue advertising, at great cost to their individuality and intelligence.wseadawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08750439461734046035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-51488247304496950052010-11-12T13:05:10.433-08:002010-11-12T13:05:10.433-08:00Dorothy, I agree that Performance Management is ri...Dorothy, I agree that Performance Management is ripe for a lawsuit. The question is whether the lawsuit appears before or after a sniff test from state auditors, because given their "interest" in our District I've gotta believe that this issue is on their radar for the next audit. At least it should be...<br /><br />Anyone know if it is?Central Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411595538958030193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-89507739590494503322010-11-12T12:56:50.811-08:002010-11-12T12:56:50.811-08:00Thanks for that input Maureen. It's something ...Thanks for that input Maureen. It's something I've always wondered about as the kids of color I know are primarily from middle-class families and they are all at about the same level (some above, some below)as my own child, so I don't have anything more than personal experience to go on.<br /><br />Do the studies make any note of a disconnect for these kids between test scores and achievement in the classroom? My own child tends to have lower scores on standardized tests, but does well in the classroom. Her classwork, participation, homework, labs, etc. often bring up her grade even when she's bombed a test.<br /><br />It sounds to me that this dilemma is even more complex than any of us can imagine. But that, to me at least, logically says that there are also no easy solutions. I think all stakeholders need to be involved. But how do we fight pop culture?<br /><br />There was a great Frontline episode a few years back called something like "The Marketing of Cool," that showed how commercial pop culture was definitely at work to dumb down our kids to become stereotypes (ditzy, sexy girls; slacker, wise-a$$ boys; gangsta-wannabees, etc.) I think most parents are fighting that fight, but it's a tough battle—especially with teens.SolvayGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12709893209963350066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-35012443539305471482010-11-12T12:40:26.132-08:002010-11-12T12:40:26.132-08:00Solvay, Thank you for that post.
It's pretty ...Solvay, Thank you for that post.<br /><br />It's pretty clear that poverty and lack of opportunity do explain a large part of the achievement gap, but there is evidence that a significant racial gap exists even for Middle Class kids. Many researchers have tried to explain it by looking at cultural competency and expectations of teachers and by cultural differences amongst families, as well as trying to control for wealth (as opposed to income) and parents' education level. <br /><br />One thing that has really stood out for me in this literature is the impact of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat" rel="nofollow"> stereotype threat</a>.<br /><br />I worry that every time black kids hear the phrase "achievement gap" it activates stereotype threat and makes them doubt their own abilities to the extent that they do even worse on the tests.<br /><br />There was an interesting piece on NPR lately that showed how stereotype threat applies to white students as well. They talked about a recent study in which balcks and whites performed differently playing miniature golf depending on whether the course was described as testing athletic ability or intellectual ability. I can't find the link right now.Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20792915376465854872010-11-12T12:32:29.356-08:002010-11-12T12:32:29.356-08:00wseadawg said: F4K: Why can't you defend MGJ&#...wseadawg said: <i>F4K: Why can't you defend MGJ's policies without insinuating that those who disagree with her have had it too good all these years at your expense? And why garnish your comments with a little racism & class warfare? </i><br /><br />First of all, who said I'm defending MGJ's policies? I'm not taking sides here--never have. I am square in the middle and when a good idea is a good idea, I don't care who it comes from if it will ultimately benefit kids.<br /><br />Secondly, I have not referred to anyone here on this blog when I was talking about people who won't admit we have a problem. I do have a life in the world away from my computer. I do talk to people that don't read or post to this blog. <br /><br />Geesh!LouiseMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10952249428140176717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3478703534570430662010-11-12T12:25:05.201-08:002010-11-12T12:25:05.201-08:00"One thing I've learned from the brillian..."One thing I've learned from the brilliant Meg Diaz is the concept of "supplement not supplant" for Title I funds. <br /><br />Strings on these funds mean the District can't use them to fund a position or service that all schools in the district would be getting anyhow."<br /><br />And this is why I think the Performance Management Framework is ripe for a lawsuit.Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27549381534847866792010-11-12T12:18:44.809-08:002010-11-12T12:18:44.809-08:00One thing I've learned from the brilliant Meg ...One thing I've learned from the brilliant Meg Diaz is the concept of "supplement not supplant" for Title I funds. <br /><br />Strings on these funds mean the District can't use them to fund a position or service that all schools in the district would be getting anyhow. <br /><br />In this way, Title I is a bit like PTSA funds that target dollars for specific needs within a one-school community. Of course, in Title I, the Central Admin has some (all??) say over what those dollars are used for within a particular school.Central Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411595538958030193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-10827480659069834502010-11-12T11:52:43.002-08:002010-11-12T11:52:43.002-08:00I don't think PTA money is the biggest problem...I don't think PTA money is the biggest problem here. Having been in a southend elementary school that had a high FRL population (60% at the time) but also a strong middle-class component, I saw just what PTA money could do. (Keep in mind that at the time we could only raise about $40,000 per year).<br /><br />On the plus side, the PTA (primarily the middle-class families no matter how much outreach we did) was able to raise $400,00 in grants and volunteer time to transform a horrible cracked-asphalt playground (so bad it had to be mowed) into a wonderful space with a grass playfield, terrific equipment, native plant beds, etc. <br /><br />We also supplied field trip busses, money to each classroom for supplies, funded assemblies, and organized after-school enrichment (with scholarships available). And ran a few annual evening events complete with food, entertainment and Scholastic Book Fairs where parents were encouraged to buy books for the classrooms as well as their own child. I personally always bought a book or two for one of the other classes if I saw that no one else had. <br /><br />Our successful book fairs allowed us to distribute one free book to each child in the school two or three times a year. I remember making sure one little girl did not already have the book she had selected at home (kids tend to gravitate toward their favorite) and being so sad to hear "I don't have any books at home." <br /><br />As individuals, parents donated to various collections run by the family support worker (money, food, clothing, holiday gifts, furniture).<br /><br />We did not raise enough money to add staff, but many volunteered in classrooms other than our children's.<br /><br />What we could not do is make sure kids were coming to school with the materials they needed, make sure they were going home to a safe environment (we had an incident at the school where the police had guns drawn on our playground because they were after a wanted felon, the boyfriend of one of the student's mother who had come to pick the child up—not fun to have your kids in a lock-down over something like that. I can only imagine what life was like for that child.)<br /><br />We couldn't make sure someone was reading to kids at home, or feeding them a healthy dinner, etc. We couldn't make up for their poverty.<br /><br />The issues that poverty and all the reasons for it bring to the table are honestly beyond what a PTA can do. As I have said in other posts, many of these kids start school well behind middle-class students. They just did not have the advantages. I think it is absurd to expect a teacher to be able to single-handedly make up for that disparity.<br /><br />I wish there was some way to break down the numbers in the achievement gap by income tied to race. I know quite a few kids of color who are high-performing (look at the successful Rainier Scholars program). Many of them are in private schools on full scholarships. <br /><br />Is public education failing ALL kids of color, or just the low-income ones? That's the BIG question.SolvayGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12709893209963350066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1616907760701240902010-11-12T11:30:43.741-08:002010-11-12T11:30:43.741-08:00Lori, we have gone around and around with this con...Lori, we have gone around and around with this conversation about PTA dollars and federal aid to at-risk populations.<br /><br />The issue is that one cannot directly compare the Title I and the PTA dollars. The Title I is more correctly compared to the unmeasurable other factors that middle class parents have provided to their children since birth, more time with their infants, more travel, more books, more time available to work on homework, more expertise and time to help memorize multiplication tables. A stable roof overhead with little threat of it going away, utilities never shut off. Earlier intervention with colds that become ear infections, earlier intervention with wheezing that becomes asthma, etc. <br /><br />A cleaner, but exaggerated analogy would be if there were a school designated for kids with diabetes. So that school might get extra funding for extra refrigerators (and electricity) to store medicines, extra nursing, biohazard disposal costs, consumable medical supplies, multiple quiet spaces to handle the regular medical needs, etc. Surely, that funding would not be considered in comparing what that school gets to what other schools get? <br /><br />The first draft of a pyramid of funding regarding showed both PTA dollars and Title I in a supplemental category. Really, neither of them belong, and the board is pretty much seeing that and did not like the pyramid. <br /><br />They have asked for and are sorta-kinda getting better information from the WSS committee, considering JUST the evenly distributed WSS components, the part that should not be cut, that should be considered core and not tweaked due to any sort of supplemental funds.<br /><br />The issue now is to get the board to support a WSS floor of any sort. The Nov 2 budget workshop included a proposal from the WSS committee to restore $3.5M (partly restore, partly fix systemic problems with the formula). Note that in the last three years, ten million dollars has been cut to the WSS (our core instructional funding) while the overall budget and revenue were up each year.Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-35162606341569933232010-11-12T11:14:16.930-08:002010-11-12T11:14:16.930-08:00"At a recent Board meeting, Director Smith-Bl..."At a recent Board meeting, Director Smith-Blum asked if the District conducts an assessment of each incoming student to provide that student with the services they need. Dr. Goodloe-Johnson stated that providing needed interventions was the "core work" of the District. Dr. Susan Enfield echoed that position, but then she went on to say that the District was seeking outside funding to bring their intervention program"<br /><br />Yes, Charlie. I couldn't agree with you more. I am tired of seeing middle school students reading at elementary school levels. Not seeing district support.<br /><br />Our district was just awarded $48M Levy funds, $12.5M TIF grant and $9million in Federal funds..and Dr. Enfield thinks we need private funding for core needs???<br /><br />The District is spending tens of millions of dollars on a complicated system...it doesn't need to be.<br /><br />I encourage everyone to become involved in the budget process. NOW is the time. <br /><br />On Nov. 16th the district will release a survey to the community. Encourage families to speak with principal about their school's needs. Encourage families to fill out the survey. There will be a section to write suggestions. I advoate for keeping dollars in the classrooms.Kathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-56394142386861821492010-11-12T10:59:35.982-08:002010-11-12T10:59:35.982-08:00I too think there is something appealing about the...I too think there is something appealing about the idea of pooling PTA funds to ensure that all schools have similar funding, but what people may not realize is that the schools that are raising $100K thru the PTA are not necessarily better off financially because these schools aren't getting Title 1 money that other schools get. <br /><br />The other day, I think someone on this blog posted the following story: http://www.mynorthwest.com/category/news_chick_blog/20101110/The-divide-between-Seattle-schools/<br /><br />This story compared two families, one attending Whittier, the other Dunlap. While Whittier raised $100K via PTA, Dunlap received $200K in Title 1 money that year that Whittier did not. So I don't think the answer to equitable funding is as easy as it might seem at first glance. <br /><br />And yes, I know that the district has messed with things such that some schools no longer qualify for Title 1 money. I'm not trying to say that some schools are not drastically underfunded; I'm simply trying to say that if we were to pool the money, it would be complicated because you'd have to factor in all of the money, including Title 1 money.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777580098975083499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53434656455118608732010-11-12T10:11:21.883-08:002010-11-12T10:11:21.883-08:00Sage advice as usual, Charlie. But F4K is playing...Sage advice as usual, Charlie. But F4K is playing on the haves vs have-nots theme, which, like the achievement gap, becomes the excuse for every bad decision the district makes. It's no different than Melissa being told she doesn't care about kids because she exercises her right and responsibility of free speech to oppose a bad idea or a bad levy. <br /><br />I find such go-to, snide arguments to be unproductive and divisive, which plays right into the district's hands. <br /><br />F4K, if you're listening, I respect your opinions, but not the digs and suggestions that some people are better off because they "know how to play the system", are somehow "well-connected" or better off. <br /><br />Look at what's happening to APP for heavens sake. That program gets bashed for being elitist all the time, and the district, capitalizing on that sentiment, tears that community apart at will, causing the loss of some of the best students and families in the district, many with a lot of money and volunteer time, who opt for private schools instead, taking their resources, connections, dollars, and votes with them. <br /><br />Does anyone think these us vs. them wars help anyone? <br /><br />If we continue to fall into this class warfare trap of blaming and treating better-off people like thieves and manipulators, we'll ultimately drive them out of public schools, and our victory in the class struggle will be entirely Pyrrhic. <br /><br />If you like district policy, tell me why. Don't dismiss my questions and concerns as being invalid because of where I live, what color I am, or how much money I earn. That close-minded thinking guarantees a worse outcome for everyone. We've seen it over and over in Seattle.wseadawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08750439461734046035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-35265913397099383952010-11-12T10:10:18.240-08:002010-11-12T10:10:18.240-08:00Solya Girl,
Why can't the SCPTSA revisit the i...Solya Girl,<br />Why can't the SCPTSA revisit the idea of PTA funds be pooled together and redistributed based on needs? For example, let each school with a PTA that can raise funds keep a certain percentage (i.e. 60%) for their school use and send the remaining 40% to the pool. <br /><br />I understand this may not go down well, but there is something wrong that some schools can raise 100K+, and are expected to do so year after year to fund FTE positions and enrichment programs. I realize these better off schools get fewer dollars for their kids, but one reason for that is the increasing reliance by SPS on these PTAs to fund their schools. <br /><br />Now the district want to formalize this budget dependence by having a line for PTA funding in the WSS.<br /><br />The biggest saving and redistribution of $$ back to schools would be to reduce the size and pet projects of central admin. Here is where the PTA leadership can speak up and get the message out to more parents than this blog. Why they don't is a big mystery to many of us check writing parents.<br /><br />It is frustrating to look at well run school districts (they have huge budget holes too!) and see how they manage their budget. Meg did a great presentation and refuted many of the common myths why Seattle is so special and need such large bureaucracy. I think we need to bring that up more often and remind seattle voters and parents of this.<br /><br />looking for some centsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49440033241153461942010-11-12T10:02:55.094-08:002010-11-12T10:02:55.094-08:00I think the solution is boots on the ground. If t...I think the solution is boots on the ground. If the majority of parents in the Mt. Baker neighbohood sent their kids to John Muir (like they did when I went there) it would be blue/green instead of orange. Looking at the stats in the Enrollment section of the SPS website it appears the NSAP may help in this regard.RB1986https://www.blogger.com/profile/12762406009190862719noreply@blogger.com