tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post253282606487544523..comments2024-03-27T20:01:11.889-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Wednesday Work Session: SAPMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-7971330173882897462017-10-31T11:45:43.871-07:002017-10-31T11:45:43.871-07:00The HCC advisory sent an email to the board and su...The HCC advisory sent an email to the board and superintendent 10/30 on their recommendations for HCC pathways http://discussapp.blogspot.com/<br />NWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-46091409795807770382017-10-30T13:24:11.306-07:002017-10-30T13:24:11.306-07:00For parents who are paying close attention, I agre...For parents who are paying close attention, I agree that many more are likely to forego the Garfield HCC pathway this year. On top of all the seemingly-now-usual problems such as difficulty getting a full schedule, long commute times, and anti-HCC sentiment, we now have the expectation that this next year's cohort will be the last large HCC cohort at Garfield. While GHS may be able to offer a full slate of AP classes for the next couple years while they have plenty of 11th and 12th grade HCC students, by the time next year's cohort are seniors it'll be a very different situation. Also, a lot of people choose Garfield partly for the strength of the music program, and that may suffer as well if--and I don't know if this is the case, but people have complained about it the past--HCC students disproportionately participate. <br /><br />DisAPPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27523288812762443012017-10-30T11:27:42.885-07:002017-10-30T11:27:42.885-07:00@Kellie- " Roosevelt and Ballard have far wor...@Kellie- " Roosevelt and Ballard have far worse capacity troubles this year (and last year). Returning HCC students to those school is not a viable option."<br /><br />Not viable. But, I have not spoke to ANY north end parent who is interested in sending their child to Garfield next year. I predict there will be fewer than previous years. If not Ingraham, most will go to Ballard or Roosevelt. Some parents are of the mindset that AP is a better option for their HCC kid than IB. <br /><br />The district had better plan for a surge in Ballard & Roosevelt enrollment. They will not be able to fit them all. Or actually create additional north end HCC pathways as they have mentioned at the SAP meetings. But a solution for next year and beyond must be planned.<br />-G <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16090151250139762672017-10-26T09:30:58.286-07:002017-10-26T09:30:58.286-07:00Garfield has about 150 HCC students who live in it...Garfield has about 150 HCC students who live in its own assignment area. Plus, in 2019, based on counts of the current younger kids there will be <br />9th grade: 135 HCC students who live south of the cut (not including QA/Magnolia) <br />10th grade: 141 HCC students who live south of the cut (not including QA/Magnolia) <br />11th grade: 104 HCC students who live south of the cut (not including QA/Magnolia) <br />12th grade: 92 HCC students who live south of the cut (not including QA/Magnolia) <br /><br />When a school is overcrowded, ironically students are not the source of the problem. The entire educational system is here FOR the students. If there are a lot of students someone needs to put two and two together and decide a lot of schools and classrooms and teachers will be needed to educate these students. And that someone is NOT the students. <br />Bully Doggynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60326067616915525192017-10-26T09:22:31.328-07:002017-10-26T09:22:31.328-07:00Thank you, kellie. I've always agreed that equ...Thank you, kellie. I've always agreed that equity is generally about doing more for a group in need, not less for everyone else. <br /><br />If @go enrollment is so upset about these lost instructional minutes, maybe they should take the matter up with Ted Howard. I understand Garfield's revised schedule this year includes 175 minutes per week (!) in "Advisory," resulting in a significant loss of scheduled instruction for every class. <br /><br />DisAPPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-86136037675127314222017-10-26T07:51:58.053-07:002017-10-26T07:51:58.053-07:00I think most reasonable people would agree that ad...I think most reasonable people would agree that addressing equity takes the active allocation of resources towards an equity based solution. <br /><br />As such, I am deeply suspicious of "equity solutions" that don't have a strong "financial component." Programs like Rainier Scholars are very effective and they involve resources. Ending a pathway might make something look more equitable but it is just not the same thing as doing the hard work to identify gifted students in underserved populations and then doing the hard work to ensure that there are resources ready and waiting for those students. <br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48629411073808557372017-10-26T07:19:08.222-07:002017-10-26T07:19:08.222-07:00Thank you Go Enrollment.
The narrative that &quo...Thank you Go Enrollment. <br /><br />The narrative that "these kids" don't belong at "this school" is always productive, in all the various forms that narrative can take. As a bonus, you are factually incorrect on several points. <br /><br />1) Enrollment Planning simply does not understand how to manage the "swirl" that happens via the choice process, due to the loss of institutional memory. They are so myopically focused on a narrow definition of budget neutral that they miss the big picture. EricB did a built an exquisite waitlist model with the real data of real time wait list moves and the impacts it would have on schools but no luck. <br /><br />There were many current Garfield students on the wait list at both Ingraham and Franklin this year and for the last three years. Had enrollment planning been more thoughtful and proactive with regards to high school capacity, Garfield would be one of the only schools that was appropriately sized this year. <br /><br />2) Roosevelt and Ballard have far worse capacity troubles this year (and last year). Returning HCC students to those school is not a viable option. <br /><br />3) The portables are not the least inconvenient class at Garfield. The gym and theater and other classes held in that building are further than the portables. <br /><br />4) Franklin has space and wants more students. Once again, Enrollment planning refuses to address this. <br /><br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-75982192031199590082017-10-25T21:43:34.909-07:002017-10-25T21:43:34.909-07:00"This is a human rights issue." Maybe yo..."This is a human rights issue." Maybe you should ask a human my comrade.<br /><br />GIGOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84158308473779584422017-10-25T21:35:06.797-07:002017-10-25T21:35:06.797-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44583858870623325512017-10-25T21:33:04.267-07:002017-10-25T21:33:04.267-07:00"They are being stolen from them by having an...<br /><br />"They are being stolen from them by having an over enrolled school due to the HCC pathway. This is the reality of a lack of equity in enrollment planning that urgently needs to be corrected." Put down the piece pipe my comrade you are smoking too much BS and it is coming out of your pores. <br /><br />GIGOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-47956331252682702952017-10-25T21:15:37.312-07:002017-10-25T21:15:37.312-07:00 Garfield is unique in being overcrowded and with ... Garfield is unique in being overcrowded and with portables due to the HCC pathway guarantee.<br /><br />Reference area students should not be losing instructional time because one cohorted group is guaranteed services there. This is a human rights issue. <br /><br />It’s ironic to attribute this situation to poor planning when it’s in the old assignment plan that so many on here favor. A new more progressive plan is necessary to correct these imbalances and unaccounted for externalities that harm our less privileged students. <br /><br />Go enrollmentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79498230482498837132017-10-25T21:06:37.093-07:002017-10-25T21:06:37.093-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59638285300470926972017-10-25T20:09:51.048-07:002017-10-25T20:09:51.048-07:00@ Go enrollment, FYI it's not the HCC pathway ...@ Go enrollment, FYI it's not the HCC pathway that is responsible--it's district mismanagement of capacity/pathways, poor planning, etc. <br /><br />Funny that you say it's a benefit to "return" them to other schools...when many of those other schools are also overcrowded and would face or are already facing those same challenges with portables and passing periods. Isn't that just shifting the problem to others? It's also not a benefit to the HCC students who would lose access to advanced courses, but I guess that isn't your concern either.<br /><br />But few expect there to be a continued pathway to Garfield for north-end HCC students come 2019, so <br /><br />rest easy<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-67097984813625344972017-10-25T19:48:24.572-07:002017-10-25T19:48:24.572-07:00Garfield is not the only over enrolled school with...Garfield is not the only over enrolled school with portables.<br /><br />seriouslyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79412065289866126492017-10-25T18:15:28.149-07:002017-10-25T18:15:28.149-07:00It’s a benefit to high schools at large that HCC s...It’s a benefit to high schools at large that HCC students be returned to them from Garfield and it also solves the over enrollment at Garfield issue. Students at Garfield are losing instructional time by having to get from the portables to the third floor every day. It’s just not possible to do this in the time frame of the passing period. This is how the guaranteed HCC pathway hits all students, but particularly those who can least afford to miss those valuable instructional minutes. They are being stolen from them by having an over enrolled school due to the HCC pathway. This is the reality of a lack of equity in enrollment planning that urgently needs to be corrected. It’s not an abstraction or a sentimental lament for Tracy Libros. Time has moved on and we need a new and just plan to reflect current reality.<br /><br />Go enrollment<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12153051345320963262017-10-25T16:14:16.516-07:002017-10-25T16:14:16.516-07:00@Kellie " It should be possible to add some c...@Kellie " It should be possible to add some capacity at Ingraham and Hale, but will they do this? " Someone reported that at the first SAP meeting at Eckstein, Ashley Davies stated she would like to relieve Garfield by sending more students to Ingraham. However, Ingraham will only be able to handle one portable, as construction will be underway and trailers taking up space for the addition.<br />-worriedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9952910812084523532017-10-25T16:13:40.815-07:002017-10-25T16:13:40.815-07:00@Kellie " It should be possible to add some c...@Kellie " It should be possible to add some capacity at Ingraham and Hale, but will they do this? " Someone reported that at the first SAP meeting at Eckstein, Ashley Davies stated she would like to relieve Garfield by sending more students to Ingraham. However, Ingraham will only be able to handle one portable, as construction will be underway and trailers taking up space for the addition. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30458018551951194802017-10-25T15:50:11.318-07:002017-10-25T15:50:11.318-07:00The plan is that the 2009 SAP is officially retire...<i>The plan is that the 2009 SAP is officially retired, so that none of the information in that document will apply any longer.</i> And thus, many of the issues spelled out in the 2009 SAP will no longer be spelled out anywhere, but will instead be subject to staff whims as they arise. <br /><br />Re: surge capacity for Ballard and Roosevelt, with all the changes a'coming, I suspect even more north-end HCC families will decide to skip the Garfield pathway in favor of Ingraham and/or their neighborhood school (if Ballard or Roosevelt). That may be good news for Garfield, but not so much for the other schools. But incoming 9th graders will need to know PRIOR to open enrollment what the surge capacity issues will mean for them, because the course offering available at a comprehensive school will be different than those at a 9th academy. That's a particular issue for HC students to be served in their neighborhood school.<br /><br />unclearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-21984847820984614662017-10-25T14:13:26.219-07:002017-10-25T14:13:26.219-07:00@ Book Doctor,
Those are great questions. I can ...@ Book Doctor, <br /><br />Those are great questions. I can only answer question 4. The plan is that the 2009 SAP is officially retired, so that none of the information in that document will apply any longer. kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11112482213930920342017-10-25T14:11:54.556-07:002017-10-25T14:11:54.556-07:00@ worried,
Yes, I meant Ballard but typed Hale. ...@ worried, <br /><br />Yes, I meant Ballard but typed Hale. Ooops! <br /><br />Garfield, Roosevelt and Ballard are all crazy overcrowded and these same schools are going to be expected to handle even more students next year. In theory the reason for the changes to HCC pathways is because Garfield can't handle extra students in 2018. But what about Roosevelt and Ballard? What's the plan?<br /><br />The last time this happened and Whitman, Hamilton and Eckstein were all full, there was a proposal to do a 6th grade academy, as a one year bridge solution because it was going to be at least an extra school year until JAMS could open. That process was at least public. This time, we are just supposed to trust that "Enrollment Planning" with their "staffing capacity formula" has a solution ready to go to solve the need for surge-capacity for 2018. <br /><br />Staff is essentially asking the board to "trust them" that there is a surge capacity solution and that this "mysterious-solution" will not require board approval or board oversight or even ... board notification. <br /><br />There are so many sweeping changing in this 2018 plan, that even I lost sight of the simple fact, that the 2018 plan was completely absent. <br /><br />There is "physical capacity" at the Center School but will there be "staffing capacity." It should be possible to add some capacity at Ingraham and Hale, but will they do this? Franklin and Cleveland have been artificially "staffing capacity" capped for a few years now so there is definitely physical capacity there. WSHS and Rainier Beach also have physical capacity. <br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-5437602295413492792017-10-25T13:50:51.822-07:002017-10-25T13:50:51.822-07:00@Kellie "Here is one more problem. This 2018 ...@Kellie "Here is one more problem. This 2018 plan has no details on the surge capacity plans for 2018. What’s the plan. Is there going to be a mysterious 9th grade academy for high school? Because there certainly isn’t space at Garfield, Roosevelt or Hale for more students. " Or at Ballard either....I think Ballard is most overcrowded in fact. Any empty buildings anywhere?<br />-worriedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72346767317782486782017-10-25T11:51:57.079-07:002017-10-25T11:51:57.079-07:00I am very disappointed in how hard the new transit...I am very disappointed in how hard the new transition SAP document is to understand. And very disappointed in how hard it is for me (a person with a PhD in literature (i.e. in reading, analyzing and criticizing written documents)) to interpret how it will affect my children. I would like to send an email to the board and tell them what I hope they will consider, but I don't understand the following things:<br /><br />1. What is "staffing capacity" and how is it determined and how do we find out what a school's (or a grade level within a school's) staffing capacity is? Who determines this? When do they determine it? What is it based on? How can families find out how staffing capacity will impact them? It seems like whoever determines staffing capacity controls every family's access to everything. <br /><br />2. Families often cannot predict if or when or for how long their children might need a service. It's hard to read these documents and figure out how they apply to your family if you're not sure whether your child needs a service or not. Figuring out your assignment school is relatively straightforward, but the second you might want or need to deviate from that, the document causes a lot of confusion.<br /><br />3. The 2009 plan says, "there are situations of exceptional student misconduct, harassment, or involvement in the court system for certain offenses that will result in some students attending a school other than the designated attendance area school. In those cases, students are assigned individually based on the specific situation." Is this provision lost or maintained in the 2018-19 plan? <br /><br />4. If the 2018-19 SAP is a revision of the 2009 SAP, why was the red-line edit done on a 2017 transition file? Do they all apply? Does one take precedence?<br /><br />5. The 2009 plan says there are 3 types of schools: Attendance Area Schools, Option Schools, and Service Schools. Which type are Cascadia and Decatur?<br /><br />Book Doctornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3064111688885497692017-10-25T11:18:53.902-07:002017-10-25T11:18:53.902-07:00Here is one more problem. This 2018 plan has no de...Here is one more problem. This 2018 plan has no details on the surge capacity plans for 2018. What’s the plan. Is there going to be a mysterious 9th grade academy for high school? Because there certainly isn’t space at Garfield, Roosevelt or Hale for more students. <br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71564548569926136372017-10-25T11:01:24.624-07:002017-10-25T11:01:24.624-07:00And in ignoring walk zones and the impact of the p...And in ignoring walk zones and the impact of the plans on transportation costs and implementation, they are also ignoring the impact of bus emissions on climate change - to the detriment of Seattle city's goal of becoming climate neutral by 2050.<br /><br />http://www.seattle.gov/environment/climate-change<br /><br /><br />-NW MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71901634289389873782017-10-25T10:18:58.960-07:002017-10-25T10:18:58.960-07:00Thanks Mel for your thorough analysis of this docu...Thanks Mel for your thorough analysis of this document. I concur with all of your conclusions. <br /><br />Thanks DisAPP for highlighting the boundary criteria. Apparently, the boundary criteria that was negotiated over many years, with tremendous public input, only exists inside this "historic and confusing document." That explains why it does not exist in the high school boundary task force. <br /><br />The bottom line here is that staff completely re-wrote the criteria for how the PUBLIC will access public education. And somehow this is magically going to happen at ZERO cost and have so little impact on the community that simply INFORMING the public is more than adequate. <br /><br />This document will be in the Operations Committee this afternoon. The technical process is that the Board will be asked to move this document forward to a full board vote. If you have concerns about this, please email the board and ask them to not move this document forward and send it back to staff to re-work. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.com