tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3405239420457159623..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Seattle Schools with Possible Bell Time Changes for 2014-2015Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29710661196167179852016-04-13T05:08:11.370-07:002016-04-13T05:08:11.370-07:00Satele school study schedule and time table manage...Satele school study schedule and time table management very good thanks for share it <a href="http://www.literaturereviewservice.com/our-literature-review-writing-services/dissertation-literature-review-writing-service/" rel="nofollow">dissertation literature review</a> .Allen jeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312119051975318074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20888505371996757442014-01-22T14:02:00.956-08:002014-01-22T14:02:00.956-08:00We just got an email from other parents at our kid...We just got an email from other parents at our kids school, which has an option asked for by the board to move all times 10 minutes later.<br /><br />This means our 3rd tier elementary school would have a bus arrival of 9:35, a start time of 9:50, and a depart time of 4pm.<br /><br />How are working parents supposed to deal with this? This makes no sense, particularly since the conversation has been about making elementary times earlier and high school times later.Peanutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-56820775439023591522014-01-11T16:27:22.705-08:002014-01-11T16:27:22.705-08:00Yes, being moved to an interim site does mean a lo...Yes, being moved to an interim site does mean a longer commute, regardless of whether the school housed is option, attendance, k8, k5, middle or high (because obviously the community is being sent elsewhere while a building is readied).<br /><br />But think about Meany; that community is proposed to be housed at a building 9 miles away, through some heavy traffic. And, they won't have a choice, because they are attendance-assigned. In contrast, these two schools have a shorter trek, and because they are options, families could choose to enroll in their neighbourhood schools, and skip the 2 years on the bus. Just saying, it is good to have choices. Meany students won't, and I am worried about this situation!<br />-future meanyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53225839171409344192014-01-10T13:09:04.849-08:002014-01-10T13:09:04.849-08:00To clarify an earlier point I made...
I thought it...To clarify an earlier point I made...<br />I thought it was strange that they bumped the start times for both JAK-8@Marshall and Pinehurst@Lincoln up by 30 minutes because both of those schools are being moved several miles away from their current sites, not because they're option schools.<br />JA@M ~ 3.5miles<br />P@L ~ 5 miles<br />I would assume that the school is somewhat in the center of the enrolled student population for the school (though I don't have the maps). Moving those schools increases the commute time for those families and requires an earlier start to their day. Moving up the start time on top of that means that some families will have an even earlier start to their days by an hour (or more).<br /><br />We're in one of the schools and, while I'm not crazy about a 7:50 start, we could manage it. However, the new location adds about 20 minutes to our commute if we drive, even longer on the bus.Majehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14946793603263324660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88505368797231986822014-01-09T14:59:12.817-08:002014-01-09T14:59:12.817-08:00This is the district's statement from front pa...This is the district's statement from front page of website as of today 1/9/2014<br /><br />http://seattleschools.org/modules/cms/pages.phtml?pageid=307503&sessionid=d7d6d5a42a5e2efa75a95245f214fc4b<br /><br />bbbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79331571203939239132014-01-09T14:26:29.935-08:002014-01-09T14:26:29.935-08:00Thanks for your digging and later update Melissa.
...Thanks for your digging and later update Melissa.<br /><br />Just to emphasize here that the handwritten times on the posted chart are definitely yellow bus *school arrival* times, not school bell times. At our school (APP@Lincoln) and a couple of other elementary schools I know, school begins 15 minutes after the expected bus dropoff time. So based on the handwritten chart which shows for us a later time of 9.15 instead of 9.10, this suggests the new school bell time would change to 9.30 instead of the present bell time of 9.25 a.m.<br /><br />But a couple of readers above say this might not always hold true if there is further move to standardize all elementary start times across the district.apparentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6096483661372554352014-01-09T13:32:42.547-08:002014-01-09T13:32:42.547-08:00The presentation from the October 9th work session...The presentation from the October 9th work session showed that moving to three tiers with 70 minute pm intervals would save $1.6 to $2.1 million in the first year. That would reduce the state transportation funds for the next year by $300K to $2.1M though for an ongoing effect of -$900K to +$1.8M.<br /><br />Doesn't sound like they know what affect this will have.<br />Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-839470832670867962014-01-09T13:18:11.278-08:002014-01-09T13:18:11.278-08:00A couple hundred?
JA-K8 has about 50% bussed kids...A couple hundred?<br /><br />JA-K8 has about 50% bussed kids. If this is generalizable to other K-8s, we are talking about thousands of kids.bilirubennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62772026912794279782014-01-09T13:11:35.872-08:002014-01-09T13:11:35.872-08:00From Melissa's notes on the Transportation Wor...From Melissa's notes on the Transportation Workshop:<br /><br /><i>Bob Westgaard of Transportation said that the three tier plan would probably not see costs change but that a two-tier plan would.</i><br /><br /><b> NO cost savings. Increased safety concerns. WHY are we forcing a 7:35 bus arrival time as well as increased student safety risk on a handful of K8s?</b><br /><br />K8 PeevedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50194988929055476532014-01-09T12:56:48.946-08:002014-01-09T12:56:48.946-08:00Where is the SPS risk assessment of putting elemen...Where is the SPS risk assessment of putting elementary-school-age students out at bus stops in the dark or having them walk to school in the dark the majority of the school year. <br /><br />Deadly --- I use this word on purpose --- serious. Where is the official internal risk assessment? Parents want to see it.<br /><br />Or could it be that gee since SPS is only talking about a couple hundred K8 elementary kids that it hasn't bothered to do a risk assessment?<br /><br />'Legal mind'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-67562075128742237212014-01-09T12:23:07.849-08:002014-01-09T12:23:07.849-08:00There are nearly 300 employees of SPS making more ...There are nearly 300 employees of SPS making more than 100K a year. None of which likely see the inside of a classroom. lose 50 of them and problem solved.bilirubennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-85629920714104973002014-01-09T12:17:33.116-08:002014-01-09T12:17:33.116-08:00We definitely need a headline and pic in SeaTimes:...We definitely need a headline and pic in SeaTimes:<br /><br />"5-year old Stands in Rain, in Puddle in the Street at 6:30 am waiting for a bus... to save 4 and a half cents."bilirubennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-65932859649149822692014-01-09T12:06:49.913-08:002014-01-09T12:06:49.913-08:00How much did we save with the change from choice a...How much did we save with the change from choice assignment plan to NSAP? I never saw an analysis of that.<br /><br />-wonderingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4295066241867984382014-01-09T11:46:54.107-08:002014-01-09T11:46:54.107-08:00The other problem with the three tier system is th...The other problem with the three tier system is that one late bus in tier one cascades into a late tier two bus and then an even later tier three bus. Haven't we already done this once? Has the district forgotten about tier three kids that were 30 minutes or more late for school? Or an hour or more late getting home? More savings on the backs of kids. If these arrival times stand, my rising 4th grader will be standing on a corner, with no sidewalk at 6:35am. But then we chose an option school for him, so I guess in the districts view we are getting what we deserve.<br /><br />-slpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28198270716324400152014-01-09T11:21:15.346-08:002014-01-09T11:21:15.346-08:00Blue Bus,
Academic issues should be the priority ...Blue Bus,<br /><br />Academic issues should be the priority when these decisions are made - but the board asked transportation to cut up to five million dollars from their budget. Changing JAMS to an 8:25 arrival would mean that each bus coming to JAMS could only cover one route a day - which is more expensive than the two or three the district is planning. <br /><br />Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27183385683729706982014-01-09T10:44:33.111-08:002014-01-09T10:44:33.111-08:00Let's see how much money they save after some ...Let's see how much money they save after some multimillion dollar lawsuits, after some kids standing in puddles on streets without sidewalks get run over in the pre-dawn commute. And then see student performance plummet, because families are having to make choices between sleep and paychecks.<br /><br />penny-wise and pound-foolish.bilirubennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74027576449128692202014-01-09T09:54:18.429-08:002014-01-09T09:54:18.429-08:00The new Jane Addams Middle School must have a bell...The new Jane Addams Middle School must have a bell time in sync with Hale: they need it to be able to leverage the courses next door, as they need to tap into math and foreign languages! Please see the "JAMSplans" blog for details. Having the same start time will create fantastic student learning opportunities, especially for the kids who are advanced musicians who are being pulled out of Hamilton and Eckstein because thet may be able to work with Hale. Nothing is at all definite, but having synchronous bell times is key to even having the possibility. And, I repeat, this costs nothing!<br /><br />This is a golden opportunity for the student learning experience, and, it won't cost a thing. Please, District and school Board, just get this right. It is crucial that JAMS, being calved out of Eckstein, gets a great start, the kids of the north Northeast at least deserve that much. A bell time really isn't all that much to ask for, when you consider the potential for greatness as a result. <br /><br />As for Pinehurst K8, unfortunately, a same bell time with Lincoln won't work. Already, there are too many busses arriving at one time, and, that school, along with k5 enrollment in the north is growing, so it can't handle more. There are projected to be 675 Lincoln students next year, that together with 150 Pinehurst students, will not be workable for a single bell. (how they are all going to each lunch is a mystery, the lunch room can only hold 200). The District made sure 2 years ago when McDonald was co-located to have different bell times to SAVE on transportation dollars, so the same bell time won't work. <br /><br />Pinehurst could go to the Marshall building, that at least has a playground and is closer ( Lincoln is 5 miles away and you have to get through Greenlake and Wallingford traffic from the north, a Marshall location would save them time because it's 3 miles away, but more importantly, would spare them the hassle that is 45th). I'd just like to see the kids from Pinehurst not getting thrown under (or in this case, onto) the bus. <br /><br />The problem with a three-tier system is that everyone wants the 'best' tier; not too earlier, not too late. The problem is that 2/3rds of schools are going to be getting less-than-optimal start time, and that includes k8s as well. Transportation does have to be efficient to save money, because realistically SSD must minimize bussing costs because there is an $18M operating budget hole. <br /><br />Blue bus<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-5253785269565624172014-01-09T08:39:33.217-08:002014-01-09T08:39:33.217-08:00Doing the math, my 6 yo sleeps 11 and a half hours...Doing the math, my 6 yo sleeps 11 and a half hours a night. 7:30 to 7. Right in the guidelines for his age. We live in the far NE and go to JA k-8.<br /><br />In order for him to eat and get ready for school, we need minimum 45 minutes. <br /><br />That means a completely realistic 6:45 pick-up, a 6 am get up, and a 6:30 bed time. About 15 minutes before my wife gets home from work.<br /><br />She will never see her son.bilirubenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10622935561372397427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60901868365105370932014-01-08T22:34:14.331-08:002014-01-08T22:34:14.331-08:00@ oy vey "So that means our school will start...@ oy vey "So that means our school will start at 9:30 next year, now it starts at 9:20. It is getting later and later..."<br /><br />What about working families? What are working families supposed to do - find jobs that don't start until 9.30am? I would guess that the people coming up with this scenario do not know the realities of the regular 9-5 that many of us, like it or not, are tied to. And probably mostly women are going to be taking the hit on this. <br /><br />Upshot is that the late start arrangements are grossly unrealistic for working families (who aren't around to advocate) and especially punitive to those who have fixed wages and to women.<br /><br />Opinionated reader Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-75456490372916300382014-01-08T22:33:23.246-08:002014-01-08T22:33:23.246-08:00Reposted for 'anonymous' by Savvy Voter be...Reposted for 'anonymous' by Savvy Voter because I agree:<br /><br /> Anonymous said...<br />It makes no sense to me. Our K-8 and a few others will start 1/2 hour earlier our already very early start time. The other K-8s are on a different schedule. Only half of the high schools get a later start time. How does this create better start times for teenagers? <br /><br />***********<br />Additionally I (Savvy Voter) do not understand why some K8s are way early and some K8s are way late. Why treat some elementary school and middle school students one way, and the rest the polar opposite? Not only does this not make sense in terms of brain development (because surely both way early and way late cannot be Best Practice) but it also does not make sense with real life logistics----<br /><br />Half the K8 kids as well as the very late starting elementary kids are going to be missing the opportunities for after school enrichment because they will get home too late. <br /><br />The other half of the K8 kids will be sitting around as early as 2 p.m. in the afternoon? For working parents that's probably 3 hours of childcare expenses every day to deal with the little children and 3 hours of unattended time for parents who financially end up leaving adolescents at home. <br /><br />The save a buck attitude from the district is hurting not helping students and families shoved to either end of the school arrival/departure schedule with this three-tier transportation "brainstorm". Yes I use brainstorm with irony.<br /><br />Savvy Voter<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91849769357348762662014-01-08T21:53:38.760-08:002014-01-08T21:53:38.760-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59795648787969780062014-01-08T16:01:34.287-08:002014-01-08T16:01:34.287-08:00So that means our school will start at 9:30 next y...So that means our school will start at 9:30 next year, now it starts at 9:20. It is getting later and later...<br />At least the middle school students will benefit from the additional sleep (albeit not much more...)<br /><br />oy veyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74908540717918279482014-01-08T14:57:22.160-08:002014-01-08T14:57:22.160-08:00Wow...it is confusing. The Board Introduction item...Wow...it is confusing. The Board Introduction item says "draft," and the arrival/departure times from the Board Agenda don't match the handout. It makes it hard to provide public comment.<br /><br />Thanks for posting the additional info, Melissa.<br /><br />Wouldn't it make sense for Pinehurst and APP@Lincoln to share buses, hence have the same start time, in order to save on transportation costs?<br /><br />For all the griping about earlier times, we still find it better than the third tier start. The bus was invariably late picking up, and our child would get home anywhere from 4:30 to 5pm. At least with an earlier start, your child has a chance of getting home when there is still enough daylight to go outside and play. <br /><br />-another parent<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13018814129206555422014-01-08T14:04:24.915-08:002014-01-08T14:04:24.915-08:00I see people noting bus pick-up times for specific...I see people noting bus pick-up times for specific stops. Could someone please (re)post the link to those details? Thanks!<br /><br />-sps parentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13135517686015574212014-01-08T13:54:37.112-08:002014-01-08T13:54:37.112-08:00Oy Vey, Ms. McEvoy said that they aim for a 15 min...Oy Vey, Ms. McEvoy said that they aim for a 15 minute period between drop-off and bell time to allow for students who do eat breakfast at school to be able to eat.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.com