tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3463604007910786606..comments2024-03-18T16:51:10.406-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Friday Open ThreadMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62587124757581652122016-09-20T18:36:04.547-07:002016-09-20T18:36:04.547-07:00where this preschool is sited, there isnt a shelte...where this preschool is sited, there isnt a shelter. I think some were supposed to be built before school started, but perhaps they will use blue tarps/canopies.They do have about 5 other sites, and some of those must have shelters, which Im assuming are close to bathrooms.<br />My husband told me that if it was a job site, one portapotty would be inadequate for workers. I think its certainly inadequate for preschoolers who can't wait in line very well.<br /><br />There is the environmental learning center, but after budget cuts it is not open to the public, unless reserved.<br />I see that rainboots and rainsuits have been donated so that all children will recieve gear, however it gets cold when you are damp, and kids can lose body heat quickly.<br /><br />I feel like I didnt think this through, I was expecting it to be set up by folks who were both very experienced in what is developmentally appropriate, and very skilled in making the most of the site. We have tremendous resource in the city with the cooperative preschools hosted by the community colleges, and after being involved with them for years, I just spaced out that someone would attempt something on this scale without better planning.<br /><br />the articles I read, made me think this was set up with the City of Seattle.<br />They are using curriculum the city recommended and they are held in city parks, but they arent listed in the Seattle preschool website, and I was attracted to it because low income families could qualify for subsidized care, but where I am helping it couldnt be used for child care as it is only 12 hrs a week. I think my biggest concern is that while there are two teachers for 16 kids, some of them may have barely turned 3 by the end of August, even though a few seem much older and something like this works better for kids who are at least 4, kindergarten age would be even better I think.<br />http://kuow.org/post/outdoor-preschools-are-coming-seattle-rain-or-shine<br /><br />Jet City momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14804841958585043967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73484256996574953242016-09-20T16:36:00.144-07:002016-09-20T16:36:00.144-07:00I actually don't care if there are outdoor pre...I actually don't care if there are outdoor preschools or not; great for those who want that. I was just surprised that the City would want one of their preschools to be one.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59371667180990166762016-09-20T12:43:51.085-07:002016-09-20T12:43:51.085-07:00They have similar schools in Europe and they seem ...They have similar schools in Europe and they seem to have figured out how to deal with it. Parents choose these outdoor schools on purpose. Waldorf kids spend a great deal of time outside in all weather in Kindergarten. The kids and the parents have to be prepared.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28954919551435975832016-09-20T11:21:59.731-07:002016-09-20T11:21:59.731-07:00Really HP? It never gets cold being outside? Really HP? It never gets cold being outside? Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20297614147507381482016-09-19T19:01:10.546-07:002016-09-19T19:01:10.546-07:00http://www.seattle.gov/Documents/Departments/OFE/A...http://www.seattle.gov/Documents/Departments/OFE/AboutTheLevy/EarlyLearning/SPP-policy-shifts-2016-FINAL.pdfJust sayinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15364103046930002677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-55366471547571286132016-09-19T12:57:59.553-07:002016-09-19T12:57:59.553-07:00Weather should not be an issue for outdoor prescho...Weather should not be an issue for outdoor preschools. The kids wear rainsuits and boots when needed. They use the city park shelters.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60955093198183630102016-09-19T11:26:18.742-07:002016-09-19T11:26:18.742-07:00Jet City Mom, are those new outdoor ones aligned w...Jet City Mom, are those new outdoor ones aligned with the City? If so, I didn't hear that. I had thought there might be issues with an outdoor pre-k for exactly the reasons you cite (plus the weather.). Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-39486550567933005422016-09-18T16:59:05.017-07:002016-09-18T16:59:05.017-07:00Anyone know where to get requirements for the pres...Anyone know where to get requirements for the preschools paired up with the city of Seattle?<br />I volunteered at one of the outdoor preschools, and I have so many concerns from in adequate bathrooms to inadequate snack and inappropriate materials.<br /><br />I've written out my questions, but I wanted a better idea of requirements before I put my hands on my hips to tell them they are doing it wrong.<br /><br />I was wondering however if city changed requirements because last year I saw they were looking for partners to offer a six hr program, but this program is 1/2 that.<br /><br /><br />Jet City momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14804841958585043967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-67818723569145048822016-09-17T21:04:54.860-07:002016-09-17T21:04:54.860-07:00In fairness to the mayor, it seems that he was not...In fairness to the mayor, it seems that he was not behind the proposed ordinance. Says Crosscut (headline "<b>Spurning mayor, council advances new approach to homeless encampments</b>"):<br /><br />"Murray for the most part has remained committed to encampment cleanups, arguing that they're for the good of both the community and the people living outdoors. But as pressure from advocacy organizations turned to pressure from the press and the council, Murray relented and adopted a now-familiar tactic — starting a task force to tackle the issue.<br /><br />"Almost immediately after Murray announced the task force, the advocacy organizations released their own proposal, short-circuiting Murray's process."<br /><br />The camp-in-parks ordinance was pushed by the ACLU and other homeless advocates, and advanced by the city council in defiance of the mayor. Some council members reported unspecified reservations. The press coverage generally suggests that the city dithered all summer, and went into panic mode with cold weather approaching.Outsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9588006936553254462016-09-17T20:21:44.493-07:002016-09-17T20:21:44.493-07:00Oh God... He is a scandle! Not a candle.
No more...Oh God... He is a scandle! Not a candle. <br /><br />No moreWineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4838206122428371712016-09-17T20:20:40.994-07:002016-09-17T20:20:40.994-07:00Could we just fast forward to the election for a n...Could we just fast forward to the election for a new Mayor any sooner? He is a jerk. Ask people who have worked for or with him when he was in Olympia. I'm all about diversity. So fabulous that he's gay!! I have best friends, family and neighbors who are gay and I love them! I don't love Mayor Murray. He is as candle, and I believe things will come of of the closet after he's out of office that will be so disappointing.<br /><br />Correction: I meant to say town homes, above. I type fast when I'm fired up.<br /><br />Sad StateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53828374240937480822016-09-17T20:17:00.320-07:002016-09-17T20:17:00.320-07:00Yah, vote Rebublican. They will make the homeless ...Yah, vote Rebublican. They will make the homeless go away, poof! with magic.<br /><br />What are they going to do, round them up? They'll just make 'em sleep on the street, making more of a mess, and we'll never get more money for schools.<br /><br />pepperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43027561430998887162016-09-17T18:46:57.609-07:002016-09-17T18:46:57.609-07:00There is no publicity on this issue if they are de...There is no publicity on this issue if they are deciding "this weekend". There seems to be a great divide between families and new residents living in new buildings with no kids. Do those people read the paper and realize the implications for young children and families? I have never voted Republican, and won't for the president, but I think this ordinance was written by people who can't visualize the consequences.<br />GHSmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3982478464271041572016-09-17T18:24:49.663-07:002016-09-17T18:24:49.663-07:00@Sad State. I agree. I am a dyed in the wool Democ...@Sad State. I agree. I am a dyed in the wool Democrat who is probably going to vote Republican for the first time. Mayor Murray and Mike O'Brien have a very different vision for the city and a different vision for how to solve Seattle's problems than I do. We probably agree on the issues but not the solution or vision for the future.<br />Frustrated Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73824669880114308712016-09-17T17:30:48.066-07:002016-09-17T17:30:48.066-07:00I agree. This devoted Democrat wants Mayor Murray ...I agree. This devoted Democrat wants Mayor Murray out of office. He is ignoring neighbors, pushing over development of expensive condos, tie homes and apartments (note lack of affordable family housing), and rolling out the red carpet to drug users and too many homeless encampments.<br /><br />Sad StateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49866931368192001162016-09-17T17:19:29.722-07:002016-09-17T17:19:29.722-07:00@Outsider. I so agree! I find it so hard to believ...@Outsider. I so agree! I find it so hard to believe that most of our city council is really in support of encouraging people to live in tents on public areas. In Greenwood, we've already lost the fight for some of our parks. Too many needles, RVs, and strewn garbage for kids to play. Is that really what we want for our city? Is that what I agreed to pay for as a taxpayer? I thought I was supporting green spaces, not encampments. I also agree that it is an open invitation for other folks to move to Seattle. <br />FrustratedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62470949130708145762016-09-17T15:11:59.187-07:002016-09-17T15:11:59.187-07:00Another account here:
http://crosscut.com/2016/09/...Another account here:<br />http://crosscut.com/2016/09/seattle-city-council-homeless-ordinance-encampments-aclu-ed-murray/<br /><br />Says the ordinance "would mandate a 30-day notice period and promises of housing to the residents of encampments deemed 'suitable' before their removal. Those deemed 'unsuitable' would get 48 hours notice, allowed the opportunity to clean up the encampment and be offered a different place in the city to pitch their tent if evicted. Exactly what constituted a 'suitable' encampment was left largely undefined. In the case of wrongful evictions, campers would receive $250 in damages."<br /><br />In other words, pitch a tent anywhere you want. In order to move you, the city must provide you a "suitable" camping space, where you can stay until the kind taxpayers of Seattle provide you free housing. This very favorable deal will attract homeless from all over the region, and eventually all over the country. I believe the technical term is for this sort of legislation is "bat-shit insane." Separately, I noticed a proposal to set up public heroin dens. The "Emerald City" moniker will become obsolete, to be replaced perhaps by "Black Tar City."<br /><br />News accounts don't mention if there is a clear distinction made between encampment and favela, but when the city's ability to provide free housing is overwhelmed (which won't be long) tents-that-can't-be-moved will evolve into shanties, and Seattle will be Rio minus the carnival.<br /><br />What I really wonder is -- who votes for these people? It definitely wasn't me.Outsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-10837950230434663872016-09-17T13:33:27.890-07:002016-09-17T13:33:27.890-07:00Jet City, I opened the map you linked and saw the ...Jet City, I opened the map you linked and saw the districts. I thought neighborhood representation had ended. The Dept of Neighborhoods is supposed to help determine where camping can take place. Are you referring to Director of Neighborhoods in this context or some other context?<br />GHSmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11908251901920621992016-09-17T11:45:25.484-07:002016-09-17T11:45:25.484-07:00The Kathy Nyland that is the Director of Neighborh...The Kathy Nyland that is the Director of Neighborhoods, isnt the same Kathy Nyland that is married to the SPS supe is it?<br /><br />love Seattle maps.<br />note the significant population that falls inbetween the zones.<br /> http://www.seattle.gov/neighborhoods/neighborhood-districtsJet City momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14804841958585043967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73791815211483153602016-09-17T10:33:16.047-07:002016-09-17T10:33:16.047-07:00From the Seattle Times dated Sept. 6, there are so...From the Seattle Times dated Sept. 6, there are some different details: "Camping on sidewalks, rights of way, school grounds and highway overpasses would be prohibited under the ordinance sponsored by Councilmembers Rob Johnson, Lisa Herbold, Mike O’Brien and Kshama Sawant, they said.<br /><br />The ordinance doesn’t explicitly name all of those areas, though, nor does it address camping in parks in detail. It says the Department of Neighborhoods would decide which locations would be off-limits.<br /><br />For encampments deemed dangerous due to garbage accumulation and other unsanitary conditions, the city would be required to try to remedy the situation before forcing people to clear out — by providing them with garbage containers and portable toilets, for example."<br />GHSmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45655157130366993642016-09-17T10:24:09.728-07:002016-09-17T10:24:09.728-07:00http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=11a79978ca722...http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=11a79978ca7225050bfabf7ad&id=568d4b9370&e=2b78899fc8 is a link to Burgess' newsletter<br />GHSmom<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57321399572974115652016-09-17T10:21:43.628-07:002016-09-17T10:21:43.628-07:00@2boys club and Crazy Idea, from Tim Burgess' ...@2boys club and Crazy Idea, from Tim Burgess' newsletter, he states that the ordinance as written will allow:"As written, the ordinance essentially establishes for the first time a new right to camp in tents or vehicles on public space throughout the city, including in our parks and greenbelts, and on city sidewalks and planting strips. It defines “public space” as “any area that is owned, leased, maintained, controlled, or managed by a government or public entity.” This is a very broad definition that would include property owned by the city government, King County, the state of Washington, the Port of Seattle and the Seattle School District. The ordinance expressly provides that the city must make public spaces available for camping, and campers will have an indefinite right to remain so long as there is an inadequate supply of housing in the city."<br />At the bottom of his newsletter he includes links to write to Seattle city council and the mayor.<br />GHSmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77679168398067780362016-09-17T08:37:48.642-07:002016-09-17T08:37:48.642-07:00They reached a PASS agreement it looks like? (From...They reached a PASS agreement it looks like? (From board meeting agenda) http://www.seattleschools.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_543/File/District/Departments/School%20Board/16-17agendas/09_21_2016/A01_20160921_Action_Report_PASS_packet.pdf<br /><br />- MemoReaderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71245923578150289362016-09-17T08:01:07.632-07:002016-09-17T08:01:07.632-07:00QA- any licensed child care program has its own ta...QA- any licensed child care program has its own tax id number and must follow the rules and regulations set forth by the state https://www.del.wa.gov/providers-educators/information-providers <br /><br />Really just wondering how the pta is getting around these rules or if they are just ignoring them. <br />Wondering Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-550348776360927902016-09-16T22:57:59.459-07:002016-09-16T22:57:59.459-07:00@2 boys club. I wrote a letter about legalizing en...@2 boys club. I wrote a letter about legalizing encampments at parks. I too don't know why it isn't a bigger issue. I'm thinking people don't really realize what it means. We're really talking about losing our parks to encampments. Plus, I don't think encampments is a great deal either for the homeless. It reminds of the shanty towns from years ago. The thought that we are institutionalizing encampments is infuriating!<br />Crazy IdeaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com