tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3662653078176932526..comments2024-03-29T02:41:52.718-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Tuesday Open ThreadMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16076195057915541012015-08-24T01:07:06.892-07:002015-08-24T01:07:06.892-07:00zd0824
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Nearly half of the area north of 92nd is taken up by the community college.<br /><br />It is about 10 blocks from Aurora to 5 at that point- incredibly narrow, making them basically unavoidable. Frankly it is impressive that the district manages to avoid having almost half the students in that neighborhood cross either.<br /><br />-sleeperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53879042303794883022015-06-25T16:00:53.488-07:002015-06-25T16:00:53.488-07:00To be fair, "SPS Stupid" is correct that...To be fair, "SPS Stupid" is correct that the Licton Springs neighborhood has been jerked around when it comes to accessibility/walkability to elementary schools. They don't have a "local" elementary school. They are in a "school dessert" and will remain in one, even after BEXIV and Growth Boundaries.<br /><br />The Licton Springs neighborhood (north of the Wilson-Pacific campus) is currently assigned to Viewlands, which is way, way, west and across Aurora from Licton Springs. <br /><br />When the bulk of the North Seattle boundary changes take place in 2017, the Licton Springs neighborhood will be assigned to Olympic View (not Bagley as inferred in another post on this thread). Olympic View is across I-5, to the east of Licton Springs. <br /><br />The Licton Springs neighborhood isn't within an elementary school walk zone now, and they won't be in one when the boundaries change in 2017, so it is understandable (at least to me) why families living within blocks of the Wilson-Pacific campus might be a little perturbed that they won't have access to the new elementary school (unless their child happens to be HCC, or a very small option K-8 housed within a comprehensive middle school building is something they feel comfortable trying).<br /><br />- reality checkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-54077969922742557862015-06-25T14:56:10.642-07:002015-06-25T14:56:10.642-07:00Hey, @AllgirlsTeam
Maybe you should change your m...<br /><br />Hey, @AllgirlsTeam<br /><br />Maybe you should change your moniker to "AllMEANgirlsTeam", it may suit your attitude better.<br /><br />Oh and, before you say, "can't you take a joke?", it is not a joke. You are snarking at children. Young children. Ain't nothing funny 'bout that. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />@Melissa,<br /><br />AllgirlsTeam just insulted children; implying that these kids are so snotty they thing the school bus is beneath them, so they get their parent to drive them into school. It is insulting, untrue, and does not contribute to the discourse. It is also uncalled for. <br /><br />Your blog; your call.<br /><br /><br />WP Bound. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30533442238890209372015-06-25T09:37:30.083-07:002015-06-25T09:37:30.083-07:00No they're all shuttled by their mothers, beca...No they're all shuttled by their mothers, because you know the bus just has too many germs.<br /><br /><br />AllgirlsTeam Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73474128355025720272015-06-24T21:13:19.555-07:002015-06-24T21:13:19.555-07:00Sps stupid - then you're in luck! Most HCC ki...Sps stupid - then you're in luck! Most HCC kids take the bus! (Be careful what you wish for)<br /><br />2boysclubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72515285638136874342015-06-24T20:41:35.436-07:002015-06-24T20:41:35.436-07:00Okay, that might have been true many years ago, bu...Okay, that might have been true many years ago, but today the area is jammed with cars lined up from 93rd to 85th and from Aurora east to Wallingford. Things have changed with over 800 units built in the past 3 years. I'm telling you it's going to be a giant mess when you add in traffic for 1,700 students and 80 staff members. Mark my words.<br /><br />SPS stupidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72030431827308426032015-06-24T18:15:34.427-07:002015-06-24T18:15:34.427-07:00Okay, but Blanchet doesn't have that much traf...Okay, but Blanchet doesn't have that much traffic. I lived two blocks from there for years and never had an issue. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-24432940004439253162015-06-24T15:16:42.107-07:002015-06-24T15:16:42.107-07:00@ WP Bound, that petition is closed.
HF@ WP Bound, that petition is closed.<br /><br />HFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90754603092482716502015-06-24T14:51:17.377-07:002015-06-24T14:51:17.377-07:00Maybe Amazon would like to buy the JSCEE and take ...Maybe Amazon would like to buy the JSCEE and take half of the 815 employees that sit there.<br /><br /><br />sell JSCEEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13382132057626206292015-06-24T14:29:24.666-07:002015-06-24T14:29:24.666-07:00Hale has courtyards but they are surrounded on fou...Hale has courtyards but they are surrounded on four sides by the school so they are not accessible to the public. The courtyards at WP will be a problem.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84312263051683720932015-06-24T14:23:59.690-07:002015-06-24T14:23:59.690-07:00BHS also means Blanchet High School which is more ...BHS also means Blanchet High School which is more properly called Bishop Blanchet High School or BBHS.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-78028402256929086872015-06-24T13:37:44.124-07:002015-06-24T13:37:44.124-07:00Yes! Schools should be built generic and flexible...Yes! Schools should be built generic and flexible! And, should be built cost-efficiently. So, when some school communities want to customize a building to make it specific for their needs (like Hazel Wolf has), they should be told no. Expensive fads and unproven technology do not add to the functionality of buildings, which should stand for 100 years and be readily able to be reprogrammed as times change. <br /><br />There are secondary schools (grades 6-12), which require specific space, expensive science labs, work out facilities, CTE space (think shop), instrumental music rooms, and an auditorium, and there are primary schools (grades K-5), that are basically classrooms plus some core space, like a cafetorium and gym and library. A classroom for art or music in elementary school does not have to be specific. The district is now adding childcare space and preschool space to the elementary buildings, which does have to be specific (bathrooms, etc) in order to comply with licensing requirements of outside entities. But still, it is possible to use those spaces as regular K5 classrooms (unless they are detached from the building, like the architects did to WP). <br /><br />On the WP project, it was the architect who was fixated on his grandiose idea of courtyards and big hall non-classroom "flex spaces" that are anything but flexible. Courtyards will be difficult to secure (no direct site lines) both during school and during off hours. The WP advocates tried to stop that. Courtyards also chew up open space that could otherwise be enjoyed by the children and neighbors. They make for noise in the classroom during instruction time. Many tried really hard to fix the wastefulness of the plans (FACMAC, the WP bound families, the Design Committee, the community at the meetings), but the District under dialing-it-in-and-now-gone Banda and looking-for-his-next-job Flip Herndon, would not do a thing. The district did add $6 million to the project, not for more classrooms, or an auditorium, or for lighted, turf fields, but, for an extra layer of management. Seriously. <br /><br />Policing after-hours by SPD will have to be the long term solution for this building's poor configuration, because those multiple, dark, obscured spaces will attract some to exploit them to shelter their nefarious and illegal activities. However, with lots, and I do mean LOTS of students around (the middle school, the K8, the elementary school, the Lincoln high school students, the community rec leagues), perhaps the campus will be so busy that criminal types will avoid the place.<br /><br />So, to answer your question, the WP site will not have an auditorium unless YOU get out and demand one. The district does NOT want to give WP one, they are stubborn (and some are even somewhat vindictive in addition to being arrogant), but it is possible if the community demands it. Here is the petition, please sign it if you haven't already.<br /><br />https://www.change.org/p/jose-banda-wilson-pacific-needs-an-auditorium<br /><br />There is money to build an auditorium, in the BEX IV contingency. Or, from the BTA. The district just has to prioritize it. They won't unless there is a revolt. Be productive, be focused. Don't fight about who is in the buildings, fight about the buildings themselves. Make them good. They will be part of our neighborhood for 100 years. <br /><br />WP Bound<br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62216007711088019542015-06-24T13:13:30.790-07:002015-06-24T13:13:30.790-07:00"We don't want busing, we want local walk..."We don't want busing, we want local walkable schools."<br /><br />There are many parents, throughout the city, that wish for this but the district was unable to create boundaries that allowed that (within a truly walkable distance). The schools at the Wilson-Pacific site are certainly not going to be the only ones.<br /><br />"Melissa, I completely disagree with you. That field needs turf. Many kids and various members of adult rec leagues will be using that field. Fire a couple downtown administrators and it's paid for."<br /><br />Well, YOU get those people laid-off and find the money and then that's great. But there are many other needs far greater than a turf field at a site with brand-new buildings.<br /><br />"I honestly think only failing a levy can stop this massive suckling. I have no problem supporting kids. I have a massive problem supporting this largess."<br /><br />Frankly, I agree. The District is taking about $39M from the Capital budget to put in the Operations budget. They say $8M is to service the bonds for JSCEE, $14M is for some kind of capacity management and the other $14M? Just plowed into the General Fund.<br /><br />When you have that kind of vague flow of money, then you can't ask me for my vote for more. <br /><br />Need to Move, Ballard is nowhere near the Wilson-Pacific site. And what "1700 moms with SUVs?" The blight on Aurora will likely be helped by the anchor of two schools. That said, yes, the District should ask the City about more police presence (at least at the beginning).<br /><br />As for the cost, SPS always spends more than surrounding districts on buildings. It's very sad.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23633033349917604302015-06-24T12:59:36.827-07:002015-06-24T12:59:36.827-07:00High schools are far more complex and costly to bu...High schools are far more complex and costly to build. An elementary is basically a building with lots of classrooms. No labs, no bleacher seats, no health clinic, no choir or music rooms, no large library with many computers. You get the idea.mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-39730993603786449362015-06-24T12:22:21.241-07:002015-06-24T12:22:21.241-07:00Aren't buildings buildings? I understand the n...Aren't buildings buildings? I understand the need for a few things like K-5 play equipment to be different, but after that shouldn't any building work for any type of school? I don't think SPS should be locking in new construction for only one purpose.<br /><br />At $120 million the site wont have an auditorium what did Shorecrest high school cost to build? <br /><br />SPS stupidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50007629593598961272015-06-24T12:13:45.670-07:002015-06-24T12:13:45.670-07:00Wow 1,700 moms with SUVs jamming an already unnavi...Wow 1,700 moms with SUVs jamming an already unnavigable area. With NSCC and BHS traffic where will all the additional cars go? I bet SDOT will block west bound traffic from crossing Aurora at 90th st and flooding the residential area. I don't want to sound insensitive to alternative lifestyles, but have you seen all the prostitutes and drug users hanging around within less than one block from the WP site? The whole area needs to be bulldozed, it's just a disgusting location for kids. Did SPS ever consider the local environment when choosing these locations or do they plan on removing the blight? <br /><br />Need toMoveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48908793802256311372015-06-24T11:46:45.516-07:002015-06-24T11:46:45.516-07:00@mirmac1
Clover Codd gets $148K salary, plus bene...@mirmac1<br /><br />Clover Codd gets $148K salary, plus benefits (probably bringing her total cost to at least $200K per year).<br /><br />Wow. That is insane. Really, really insane. You really think we can't get a glorified grant coordinator for $100K all in? <br /><br />I notice the 'new guy' Echeverria who is suppose to 'fix all of this' (change management!) is sucking at the teet for $138K (with benefits, probably more like $180K). Great. And, when he leaves, we will have what to show for it? I'd rather fire him and keep West Seattle Middle College. Isn't the Super suppose to do the change management? Isn't that what a CEO is for? So far, all Echeverria has done is a power point, highlighting that 'we are in crisis'. Who knew? <br /><br />I honestly think only failing a levy can stop this massive suckling. I have no problem supporting kids. I have a massive problem supporting this largess. <br /><br />feeling the burnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40658875517764427072015-06-24T11:25:13.544-07:002015-06-24T11:25:13.544-07:00@SPS stupid
You weren't at any of the many me...@SPS stupid<br /><br />You weren't at any of the many meetings that happened 2 years ago. I was. You don't have complete information. If you had gone, you would have heard the local families complain that they didn't want their children pushed OUT of Bagley, with its unique Montessori programming, which is the 'local' (and excellent) school. <br /><br />The other local complaints were about building 2 schools, not just one, on the 18 acres and about parking, they didn't want cars parked all over, understandably. <br /><br />The district has a severe capacity crisis, that's why 2 buildings are being built. They were approved in the local levy by more than 70% 3 years ago, and at the time the elementary school was designated with the APP program. None of this is new or has changed. Right now there are 700 elementary children who've been temporarily housed at Lincoln, awaiting this permanent home, for 4 years, and they will still have to wait 2 more. No elementary school has been located so long as temporary ever before. That's how bad the crisis is. It's not like they could simply be disbanded. There is no where else to go. Look at the schools your children attend: they are full and loaded with portables. And, high schools are full, and the situation is getting worse! That's why Lincoln MUST become a high school and why the elementary kids there, who have had no playground, no blade of grass, for six years, MUST leave.<br /><br />I get you do NOT care about "them"(probably you don't care about West Seattle's middle college either). I get "these" are the kids you seem to think get "special interest". But if that is the case, why are they the ones who've been dispossessed for the most amount of time, with 4 shifts of lunch, with the lowest per building student funding (out of 95 buildings)? The truth is, there are no special interests.<br /><br />"Local" kids are not going to be "pushed out" of any school. There won't be mandatory assignment into the K-5 portion of the K8. No local elementary child has been schooled at Wilson Pacific for decades (unless they were parent homeschooled).<br /><br />And 'local' kids will get a brand new comprehensive middle school to go to. Some may be happy about this, but some may be as unhappy as they do not want to forgo Whitman. <br /><br />Did you sign the WP petition and rally fellow local neighbors to sign to get an auditorium for local kids? I did. Perhaps we've met at the numerous directors' meetings I've been to on Saturday mornings, trying to get them to do the right by these future Wilson Pacific kids. I've tried to reach out to as many as possible to get 'local' kids, and the community, an auditorium. In fact, for the planning of BTA, I've tried to get folks to write in for an auditorium for WP. I was thrilled to see 93 did, which is extraordinary because so many parents don't even realize that their kids will be on that campus, let alone how important for community building and for supporting arts education an auditorium is. Hope you feel good that people do care and continue to try to support the children who will be there Sept 2017. <br /><br />Bottom line: local elementary and middle schoolers will be able to attend the campus. <br /><br />As for the fields, they're being located in the center to allow the 1,700+ students on campus easy access to them without sacrificing too much instructional time. This property is owned by SPS, the fields are for the students first and foremost, to meet their educational needs. It becomes a community amenity after hours. SPS has solved the flooding problems. Still hope artificial turf is used, so that the fields may be used by everyone all year long.<br /><br />Glad you're getting engaged; to be productive, help the effort to get these kids, and the kids that will follow them for the next 100 years, an auditorium. Programming comes and goes. But an auditorium, and that will make a real difference. <br /><br />WPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31569806285026523512015-06-24T11:12:07.871-07:002015-06-24T11:12:07.871-07:00SPS Stupid, you remind me of the Wedgwood neighbor...SPS Stupid, you remind me of the Wedgwood neighbors who stood up in public and said more kids should just go to private school instead of letting SPS build a building on SPS owned land to educate our city's children because...the neighbors enjoyed using the field as a dog park. The playfields are not actually yours, like a vacant lot you cross through to get somewhere is not actually a street. They are SPS's, who has generously allowed the neighborhood to use some of the space when it was not needed for students. Now SPS needs more capacity for many reasons, and so SPS needs to and is building buildings to educate our city's kids. Including those in the HCC program, which as stated above, has to go somewhere, and this is the place it will (mostly) fit. There are many HCC students in your neighborhood excited to be able to walk to school when it finishes. There is a k-8 slated to go in the building, with a lovely project based approach and warm, caring teachers, at least from what I could see sharing a building with them this year.<br /><br />And fyi, Olympic View elementary is 1.1 mile away, and Daniel Bagley elementary is .6 miles. Those are neighborhood schools. I live in the south NE (much more school age child dense than your neighborhood), and I do not live as close as .6 miles away from ANY school. It sounds like you live within a half to 3/4 mile of TWO options.<br /><br />I actually hope the fields stay grass because there are concerns about cancer from artificial turf- http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/how-safe-artificial-turf-your-child-plays-n220166<br />which are at least serious enough to delay placing MORE of them. And if it's expensive to do so, seems like a no brainer. Wait. If you really want to spend some more money on the project, put in an auditorium.<br /><br />-sleeperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32027122920118128862015-06-24T10:54:48.928-07:002015-06-24T10:54:48.928-07:00It does make more sense to put the fields where it...<i>It does make more sense to put the fields where it floods instead of buildings.</i><br /><br />Gah. If they had massed the buildings on the west (or better yet, had planned for a high school, instead of a middle and elementary school) the fields could have stayed in the same location and neither the buildings nor field would be in the path of the creek flooding. Some WP buildings did have water intrusion during the last overflow pictured in the links above. <br /><br />@SPS stupid, the time for public input was long ago. A high school would have been the best use of the space, as it's accessible by metro, and is not a very walkable neighborhood for younger students with its proximity to Aurora and I-5. <br /><br />-was thereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-70373365745154476322015-06-24T10:30:46.803-07:002015-06-24T10:30:46.803-07:00Nope I'm just a local and yes I realize I'...Nope I'm just a local and yes I realize I'm late. I did not realize what was going on until I saw the bulldozers obliterating the fields! Since then I've been calling people to ask whats going on. One of the neighbors recommend to check out this website. Why are the concerns of the people who live near the site considered SPAM? I just never realized people would make such poor decisions or maybe I just don't have all the facts.<br /><br /><br />SPS stupid Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3188109999174536032015-06-24T10:01:58.938-07:002015-06-24T10:01:58.938-07:00Charles Wright makes $200K per year. What does he...Charles Wright makes $200K per year. What does he do exactly besides study charters and schmooz the City?<br /><br /><a href="https://www.scribd.com/doc/269588014/Non-Rep-Upgrades-5-14-14-Thru-5-26-15" rel="nofollow">We're made of money</a>mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-434881290053943972015-06-24T09:53:46.357-07:002015-06-24T09:53:46.357-07:00SPS stupid, you are funny. It's like you'...SPS stupid, you are funny. It's like you're one of the paid Russian internet protesters. Did SPS hire you to put out this spam? You're about 3 years too late to the WilPac party. Many of us tried to get SPS to listen to people who were actually in the know about the situation - a committee SPS created called FACMAC. <br /><br />I agree with you about the fields. It's a shame. The entire WilPac plan is a shame. $120M to spend and we are getting two schools that will be too small on day 1 for the populations slated to go there. There will be no auditorium and the field will be unusable if it rains. With $120M they could easily have built an auditorium and lighted-turf field. Yes, I meant field. It will be one "multi-use" field so the city of seattle just lost more field space.<br /><br />Melissa, I completely disagree with you. That field needs turf. Many kids and various members of adult rec leagues will be using that field. Fire a couple downtown administrators and it's paid for.<br /><br />I wish it would have turned out different! I guess that's how people roll when it's other people's money and kids.Susannoreply@blogger.com