tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3843059029754879299..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Update on New ContractMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-37715715854710093572010-08-06T14:34:06.369-07:002010-08-06T14:34:06.369-07:00As to reduced school day, why not do what Bellevue...As to reduced school day, why not do what Bellevue does, every Wednesday is 1/2 day.Or better yet, every Friday is 1/2 day? It isn't too complicated for them. Plenty of collaboration time, and predicatable. Sure it's getting late to plan that.<br /><br />OK. If we move to a test based evaluation scheme, why would any teacher ever want to teach in a school where the test scores are always low? Or teach a population that doesn't test well? ELL, special ed, low SES, minority students, etc.<br /><br />In order to be fair, and avoid the "white flight" of the teachers, the SERVE system would have to first consider the expected trajectory of the group of students in each teacher's class based on <i>every</i> demographic possible. Then, they'd have to measure the teacher against that baseline. EG. A teacher would get a favorable SERVE score if she moved a member of a racial group 6 months/yr, if the trajectory predicted only growth of 3 month/yr. And definitely, race would be the key demographic. The whole purpose of the exercise is reducing the racial achievement gap, isn't it?<br /><br />Can you imagine the uproar? Teacher gets raise for getting 6 months growth out of some minority group, because she beat the expected norms. It would be unthinkable to admit that lower expecations for some students earn the rewards. Yet that's exactly where you need to go if you want a SERVE system to really work. Presumably, over time, if the SERVE scheme worked, there wouldn't be an achievement gap, and so the problem would resolve. <br /><br />So long as we have achievement gaps, we have 2 choices: incent teachers to teach kids who do well on tests avoiding kids who don't, or own up to the achievement gaps numerically and reward some teachers for a lower standards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-61443757082217660302010-08-04T19:41:44.534-07:002010-08-04T19:41:44.534-07:00What's interesting is that those participating...What's interesting is that those participating in negotiations are saying that teachers will get 2 hours of collaboration time every other Friday, resulting in early dismissals, but the E-newsletter today from the Superintendent says this:<br /><br /><i>"We have proposed, beginning with the 2011-12 school year, as many as 14 additional two-hour blocks of collaboration time. There are many ways to structure the school day to accommodate this time, and we will engage with families over the next year to create schedules that work best for families and schools.</i><br /><br />Why are parents being given this very vague information when the negotiations actually appear to have very specific plans for when these 2 hour allotments will be available? I guess at least one bit of good news is that none of this would go into effect in September.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777580098975083499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38346410984742865432010-08-04T16:50:55.863-07:002010-08-04T16:50:55.863-07:00I'll tell you something else. For schools to p...I'll tell you something else. For schools to plan around an early release day every other Friday will mess up the Master Schedules. And for them to throw all of the Master Schedules into disarray this close to the start of school will not be appreciated.<br /><br />Also, how will this change in bell schedules impact transportation?<br /><br />How will the elimination of one out of every ten lunches impact nutrition services? All of the lunch workers just saw their hours cut by 10% - didn't they?Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-14430082650201873252010-08-04T16:46:47.857-07:002010-08-04T16:46:47.857-07:00While the middle schools typically have the same s...While the middle schools typically have the same schedule every day, periods one through six on Monday through Friday, the high school schedules are much more complicated. Classes meet on Mondays and Wednesdays, or on Tuesdays and Thursdays and then some of them meet on Fridays and some of them don't. Think of the double block schedule that the District showed for STEM. It's total chaos.<br /><br />Now toss in a half day every other Friday. Not every Friday, but every other Friday. What a nightmare.<br /><br />The NOVA Project has a complicated schedule. It used to include a Project Day on Fridays, but attendance that day was very poor. The school switched the Project Day to Wednesday and attendance improved dramatically.<br /><br />If the District makes every other Friday a half-day, then there will be significantly lower attendance every other Friday.<br /><br />It's not funny. The state funds schools based on ACTUAL attendance. High absenteeism can be noticably detrimental to the District's revenues.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-70821768930554333092010-08-04T13:50:04.232-07:002010-08-04T13:50:04.232-07:00The Friday thing will be disruptive to teaching as...The Friday thing will be disruptive to teaching as well. Secondary programs will have to rotate the dropped classes through the schedule so that any one class is not impacted - imagine teaching a morning and afternoon class that are supposed to be the same curriculum, but the afternoon class is dropped every other Friday. The alternative is that all classes on that day are shortened, with changes to lunches etc. Either way causes students to believe it is a "half" day - and therefore some kind of a vacation. Many spend much of their day making plans for their parentless free time on that day - leaving lessons aside and homework forgotten. Lack of consistency and predictability is the first mistake in any school or classroom usually adressed in an evaluation - why would we want it by design?Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76976501001729735272010-08-04T13:14:07.535-07:002010-08-04T13:14:07.535-07:00Lori,
It is NOT a minor point. Having a every oth...Lori,<br />It is NOT a minor point. Having a every other Friday as an early release day will be very disruptive to families, and kids!Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08480227315143687570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49606207335772756622010-08-04T11:00:29.998-07:002010-08-04T11:00:29.998-07:00from the post: "Allocate more days for early...from the post: <i> "Allocate more days for early release on Fridays for staff to collaborate. The district would not pay teachers more, not take away any additional class time for this. They plan on adding 12 min to the end of the school day every day, to make up for the lost time on every other Friday."</i><br /><br />How would this affect families? It sounds like children would get out of school at 1:30PM every other Friday but stay 12 minutes longer every other day (so 3:45 instead of 3:30). <br /><br />Can they negotiate something like that with absolutely no community input? Early release every other Friday, in addition to all the other random days off and early releases, would create some real challenges for my family. It's a minor point compared to the other proposed changes, but it shouldn't be overlooked.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777580098975083499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69348518371006953512010-08-04T08:08:40.304-07:002010-08-04T08:08:40.304-07:00EricM... you can (usually) delete any of your own ...EricM... you can (usually) delete any of your own posts, so you can get rid of the triplicate issue yourself....Sahilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610179287237833742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90541234461160628212010-08-04T07:22:53.650-07:002010-08-04T07:22:53.650-07:00Sorry about the multiple posts. Something was happ...Sorry about the multiple posts. Something was happening with text length and edits. Presumably, a blog administrator will clear a couple of those repeats.<br /><br />What I really wanted to mention, now that the sun is up:<br /><br />Maybe this latest churn will help folks to forget about the audit and get back to the real problem.Eric Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17663977355241677800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69870421795777538532010-08-04T03:54:25.260-07:002010-08-04T03:54:25.260-07:00Hopefully, one of the bloggists will post the enti...Hopefully, one of the bloggists will post the entire SEA response. <br /><br />I think we can add, with this business, that in addition to all the other harm she's brought to this district through incompetence and the billionaire boys club, she has decided to push her labor force, the people that do the REAL work, to a strike. <br /><br />The harm from a strike will linger for years. Long after this School Board has moved on, long after this Superintendent has left to go work at a salaried job at her testing company. Barf.Eric Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17663977355241677800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74639643874994520992010-08-04T03:48:55.917-07:002010-08-04T03:48:55.917-07:00Big reveal last night: The Supe, already having he...Big reveal last night: The Supe, already having her cover blown by this blog, released a smarmy letter about "improving on on our successes" and "supporting teachers" by evaluating us using her company's test.<br /><br />The SEA responded immediately:<br />The TRUTH about SERVE Seattle<br /><br />Superintendent Goodloe-Johnson and Board Member Steve Sundquist sent all certificated staff an email tonight. The email contains and describes what they are calling SERVE Seattle. It is the district’s bargaining proposal that ties student growth based on test scores to certificated evaluations. The SEA held five focus group meetings last week to get input on the district’s proposal. We had over 200 certificated employees present at the focus group meetings, representing 57 schools and programs. Now the superintendent believes that if she just emails each of you; maybe you will put pressure on SEA and the bargaining team to go the way the district wants us to. The truth of the matter is that the email they sent you leaves out important details. Based on what our members told us at building visits, through the bargaining survey, and at last week’s focus groups, the SEA Bargaining Team will listen to its members and continue to say NO to SERVE Seattle!Eric Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17663977355241677800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23012671526114945872010-08-04T03:48:06.939-07:002010-08-04T03:48:06.939-07:00Big reveal last night: The Supe, already having he...Big reveal last night: The Supe, already having her cover blown by this blog, released a smarmy letter about "improving on on our successes" and "supporting teachers" by evaluating us using her company's test.<br /><br />The SEA responded immediately:<br />The TRUTH about SERVE Seattle<br /><br />(Please read and pass on)<br /><br />Superintendent Goodloe-Johnson and Board Member Steve Sundquist sent all certificated staff an email tonight. The email contains and describes what they are calling SERVE Seattle. It is the district’s bargaining proposal that ties student growth based on test scores to certificated evaluations. The SEA held five focus group meetings last week to get input on the district’s proposal. We had over 200 certificated employees present at the focus group meetings, representing 57 schools and programs. Now the superintendent believes that if she just emails each of you; maybe you will put pressure on SEA and the bargaining team to go the way the district wants us to. The truth of the matter is that the email they sent you leaves out important details. Based on what our members told us at building visits, through the bargaining survey, and at last week’s focus groups, the SEA Bargaining Team will listen to its members and continue to say NO to SERVE Seattle!<br /><br />Here is the truth:<br /><br />They say the district is “working together with your SEA representatives to make sure that every teacher gets the tools, time, support, and opportunity needed to help students succeed.” The truth is that SEA has raised the issue of giving teacher’s support around class size/caseload and workload. SEA wants to make sure that you have the tools, time, support, and opportunities needed to help students succeed. SEA has made proposals that are research-based that we know can work to close the achievement gap and raise student academic achievement. Our proposal is in concert with a recent report by leading national civil rights groups. <br />They say that significant change is happening in education throughout the country, and they are committed to a thoughtful, fair, and collaborative approach that benefits from lessons learned in other districts and builds on their success here in Seattle. The truth is SERVE was not developed in a thoughtful, fair, and collaborative approach. They only argue that others are using it, not that it works. We know that they use something similar in Washington, DC where 241 teachers were just fired in one swoop, while over 700 others were put on notice.Eric Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17663977355241677800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53888973582073822382010-08-04T03:47:28.913-07:002010-08-04T03:47:28.913-07:00Big reveal last night: The Supe, already having he...Big reveal last night: The Supe, already having her cover blown by this blog, released a smarmy letter about "improving on on our successes" and "supporting teachers" by evaluating us using her company's test.<br /><br />The SEA responded immediately:<br />The TRUTH about SERVE Seattle<br /><br />(Please read and pass on)<br /><br />Superintendent Goodloe-Johnson and Board Member Steve Sundquist sent all certificated staff an email tonight. The email contains and describes what they are calling SERVE Seattle. It is the district’s bargaining proposal that ties student growth based on test scores to certificated evaluations. The SEA held five focus group meetings last week to get input on the district’s proposal. We had over 200 certificated employees present at the focus group meetings, representing 57 schools and programs. Now the superintendent believes that if she just emails each of you; maybe you will put pressure on SEA and the bargaining team to go the way the district wants us to. The truth of the matter is that the email they sent you leaves out important details. Based on what our members told us at building visits, through the bargaining survey, and at last week’s focus groups, the SEA Bargaining Team will listen to its members and continue to say NO to SERVE Seattle!<br /><br />Here is the truth:<br /><br />They say the district is “working together with your SEA representatives to make sure that every teacher gets the tools, time, support, and opportunity needed to help students succeed.” The truth is that SEA has raised the issue of giving teacher’s support around class size/caseload and workload. SEA wants to make sure that you have the tools, time, support, and opportunities needed to help students succeed. SEA has made proposals that are research-based that we know can work to close the achievement gap and raise student academic achievement. Our proposal is in concert with a recent report by leading national civil rights groups. <br />They say that significant change is happening in education throughout the country, and they are committed to a thoughtful, fair, and collaborative approach that benefits from lessons learned in other districts and builds on their success here in Seattle. The truth is SERVE was not developed in a thoughtful, fair, and collaborative approach. They only argue that others are using it, not that it works. We know that they use something similar in Washington, DC where 241 teachers were just fired in one swoop, while over 700 others were put on notice. <br />They say SERVE gives teachers and other staff large blocks of collaborative time. The truth is that in exchange for 2 hours of collaboration time every other Friday beginning in 2011-12, you will teach students for 12 minutes longer each of the other nine days prior. The truth is that of the 19 days they offer for collaboration, 5 are district directed, 7 are principal directed, and only 7 are staff directed.Eric Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17663977355241677800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-70647917318413156662010-08-03T22:49:46.404-07:002010-08-03T22:49:46.404-07:00I also am truly Baffled by the truly Baffling lead...<b>I also am truly Baffled by the truly Baffling leadership.</b><br /><br />Note the District produced a constantly expanding Math achievement gap over the last decade+.<br /><br />This gap growth would be an indication the SPS leadership do not know what they are doing.<br /><br />The State auditor found that the leadership do not know what they are doing.<br /><br />Now the leadership will make everything much better ... based on what? <br /><br />A huge Experiment into unproven large expensive tools that are removed from any proven effective efficient classroom strategies or support of teachers.<br /><br />Whip the slaves with a bigger whip ... yup that 'ill do it.<br /><br /><b><i>The complexity of this proposed system from the SPS leadership ... further supports by belief that Education is now becoming an ever larger Race to the Bank for vendors and consultants.</i></b><br /><br />This is utter insanity ....<br /><br />Recall the Seattle "5".<br /><br />Get ready to dump "Dorn" unless he makes major changes away from his current RttT and Common Core Standards support.<br />=============<br /><br />Good Luck on the contract SEA members in this environment.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4117871353146786962010-08-03T21:55:35.986-07:002010-08-03T21:55:35.986-07:00The only data that really matters to a teacher is ...The only data that really matters to a teacher is whether your students learned what you taught or not. And that is something we collect and ascertain every day. The MAP is useless to me. Despite what SPS claims, it is not at all aligned to state standards or district mandated curriculum. <br /><br />I would say I was truly baffled by the district's proposals, but I suspect none of them have ever been in a classroom long enough to know what good teaching requires. Nothing in this 4 or 5 tiered system even comes remotely close to capturing effective teaching. <br /><br />Where is the reason? The rationality? The genuine understanding of education?<br /><br />I've been teaching for 16 years and this is the most ridiculous climate yet. May it pass quickly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71556200643795197022010-08-03T21:44:55.760-07:002010-08-03T21:44:55.760-07:00Education reform is an alliance entered into by a ...Education reform is an alliance entered into by a school board that rolls over public meetings whenever they have to vote, and a superintendent who rolls over her board whenever there's an audit.kprugmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126184111625382040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-54708408635759666312010-08-03T21:24:25.794-07:002010-08-03T21:24:25.794-07:00Any educational alliance whose purpose is not the ...Any educational alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war against the teacher's unions is senseless and useless. <br />-R.E. Wormkprugmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126184111625382040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84690990210916029622010-08-03T21:19:03.428-07:002010-08-03T21:19:03.428-07:00"The Administration completely failed to demo..."The Administration completely failed to demonstrate that the MAP testing which they piloted did anything well."<br /><br />Aren't you a party pooper. Would you write my evaluation for me Dan so I can be superintendent for a day? Not.<br /><br />Alliance - the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pockets that they cannot separately plunder a third. <br />-Ambrose Bierce<br /><br />What were they thinking when they started on this little odyssey?kprugmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126184111625382040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76038255538089860182010-08-03T20:57:03.591-07:002010-08-03T20:57:03.591-07:00This craziness scares me! I'm so against what ...This craziness scares me! I'm so against what this system will do to children and any hope of helping them find joy in learning that I feel as though I will need to quit my job. Im a teacher who would be happy to be evaluated on how my students progress, but has not heard of an equitable way of doing this. I teach kindergarten, the MAP test only shows me which of my kids know how to use a computer and not what academic skills they posses. I AM accountable for how my students progress, Im accountable to my students and their families. I open up my classroom to anyone who wants to see how I teach, parents administrator and other teachers. I would even open up my classroom for the MGJ to observe. Watching my classroom and seeing what goes on is the only way someone could get accurate information to evaluate. I don't want education to be ruined for kids and their teachers but I'm not sure if I can continue with the way things are headed.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08480227315143687570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71936247419118052302010-08-03T20:02:41.283-07:002010-08-03T20:02:41.283-07:00LEV and our schools are still at it with billionai...LEV and our schools are still at it with billionaire-funded divisiveness. DON'T FALL FOR IT! Compare the happy talk from LEV from that SPS is proposing.<br /><br />"Dear Chris,<br /><br /><br />You made it a priority to take part in the Youth and Families Initiative. Here is another important opportunity to speak on behalf of your children and their schools. <br /><br />The Seattle School District and the teachers union are negotiating the next teachers' contract. Currently, our schools work for some of our kids, but not all. Our graduation rates hover around 60%, and much lower for a lot of our children of color. Do we want business as usual? Or do we want better student learning? As President Obama said last week, "this status quo is morally inexcusable, it's economically indefensible, and all of us are going to have to roll up our sleeves to change it."<br /><br />If we want to see improvements, then parents and the community need to speak up about the teacher contract negotiations.<br /><br />The League of Education Voters goal is to improve learning for ALL children. We helped raise voices for the Seattle Youth and Family Initiative, and we can help raise voices in support of children in the Seattle teacher contract negotiations. <br /><br />What can you do? Become informed, join us, and forward this email to friends. There is important work to be done!<br /><br /> • Want to know more about negotiations? Visit our webpage on teacher contracts.<br /><br /> • Want to know what LEV and the Our Schools Coalition believes should be in the teachers' contract? View an open letter to parents and the list of goals.<br /><br /> • Want to be part of a rapid response team that speaks up about the contract? E-mail us your contact info.<br /><br />Thank you for speaking up on behalf of your chidren and schools.<br /><br />Chris Korsmo<br />Executive Director"Chris S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17016898261120819596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-52874847046014387302010-08-03T19:54:34.424-07:002010-08-03T19:54:34.424-07:00I have really had it with the "Everybody Else...I have really had it with the "<i>Everybody Else is</i>" thinking.<br /><br />The Administration completely failed to demonstrate that the MAP testing which they piloted did anything well.<br /><br />The Admin produced no evidence that MAP worked anywhere.<br /><br />Here is what is becoming exceptionally common. <b><i> Others use it, we piloted it. SO BUY IT.</i></b><br /><br />Look at RttT, SB 6696, or most of the programs now coming so rapidly through the pipe. All of them have only the most shallow analysis if any at all in support. The underlying motivation for support is "We are ed-whores, we will do anything. So show us the money."<br /><br />Whether it is the State House, Senate, OSPI leadership, the SPS, or damn near any of the deciders (including the Times),<b><i> it is way easier to just say Aye-Aye-Sir than actually undertake any analysis.</i></b><br /><br />I thought the point of a representative government was that the <b><i>representatives undertake decision making by doing the analysis that is too time consuming for the rest of us.</i></b><br /><br />Remember W. Edwards Deming's:<b><i><br />To improve a system requires the intelligent application of relevant data.</i></b><br /><br />The message to the rest of us now is:<br />(1).. Get busy with RESEARCH<br />(2).. Start legal action against those who do NOT use research in making decisions.<br /><br />Several small groups of the citizenry are standing up to defy the current trend to mindlessly follow the Oligarchs. You could think of these folks as the E-Party.<br /><br />This week an appeal of MAP testing will be filed in Superior Court.<br /><br />Get ready to start gathering signatures for the recall of the Seattle "5".<br /><br />We are making a list of those who would like to donate some time in gathering signatures. We will be starting in late August.<br /><br />Write me using the subject line "RECALL" if you wish to get involved.<br /><br />dempsey_dan@yahoo.com<br /><br />please use exactly the subject line<br /><b>RECALL</b><br /><br />===============<br />Not to be missed is <a href="http://alliance4ed.blogspot.com/2010/08/community-groups-renew-push-for-reform.html" rel="nofollow"> THIS. </a><br /><br />An Alliance 4 ED .... propaganda piece in which a survey of various groups asks the equivalent of:<i><b> Do you like Apple Pie?</b></i> ... then leaps to the assumption that these folks know how to produce a decent Apple Pie.<br />============<br /><b><i><br />I thank the Alliance for their support of my hypothesis that decent analysis (Deming style) underlies few if any of the Alliance's pushed proposals.</i></b>dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-52754926153737108412010-08-03T19:38:57.610-07:002010-08-03T19:38:57.610-07:00May the Alliance always have many happy delusions....May the Alliance always have many happy delusions. American education died from a delusion that it had moral leadership.kprugmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126184111625382040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-55114507126602173582010-08-03T19:33:42.358-07:002010-08-03T19:33:42.358-07:00lol, Davinci wrote:
“The men of experiment are lik...lol, Davinci wrote:<br />“The men of experiment are like the ant; they only collect and use. But the bee . . . gathers its materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of its own.”<br /><br />Alliance sounds like a broken record. They would probably hand Godzilla a hammer to prove he was a carpenter and there to promote the cause - Liberate school from the evil jaws of teacher unions.kprugmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126184111625382040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45554613666100516972010-08-03T18:35:19.279-07:002010-08-03T18:35:19.279-07:00And here comes the lying and manipulation from the...And here comes the lying and manipulation from the Alliance for Education...<br /><br />disgusting...<br /><br /><a href="http://alliance4ed.blogspot.com/2010/08/community-groups-renew-push-for-reform.html" rel="nofollow">http://alliance4ed.blogspot.com/2010/08/community-groups-renew-push-for-reform.html</a>Sahilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610179287237833742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-46654853404532063292010-08-03T18:12:52.219-07:002010-08-03T18:12:52.219-07:00yes, I had to put up with that too, except this ki...yes, I had to put up with that too, except this kid didn't have a security guard. She would scream for no apparent reason and I was told by the ###### school psychologist that she was psychotic. The entire class became quiet when she had her attack. Now how does that make me feel?kprugmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126184111625382040noreply@blogger.com