tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3871860222939278526..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Revisionist History at WorkMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11423932418619322832011-03-25T07:36:24.842-07:002011-03-25T07:36:24.842-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22991299745631939862011-03-24T15:40:02.618-07:002011-03-24T15:40:02.618-07:00Oh, Jan, the remote! Thanks for the laugh.Oh, Jan, the remote! Thanks for the laugh.Chris S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17016898261120819596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64137995552620456792011-03-24T12:30:31.228-07:002011-03-24T12:30:31.228-07:00Sorry, the above post was meant for a different th...Sorry, the above post was meant for a different thread. Melissa, feel free to delete it above if you want.Jannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-24444231518149642112011-03-24T12:27:25.020-07:002011-03-24T12:27:25.020-07:00I hate to say it -- but Joanna is right. When the...I hate to say it -- but Joanna is right. When the Board extends contracts, compliments the Superintendent in public, approves everything she asks for and is doing -- there is no other conclusion that can be drawn, other than that the Superintendent is doing what the Board wants. And it makes it darn hard then to pull off a firing "for cause" -- which is part of the reason we couldn't, and didn't. <br /><br />Some of the Board has never seemed enthusiastic about the last administration (Kay and Betty). A couple seem to have come around, or are doing do (Michael and Sherry). <br /><br />Steve seems clueless to me, and Harium's new total silence leads me to believe that MGJ must have taken the remote control for his unit with her when she left -- or maybe she was in such a hurry that she just didn't teach anyone else how to use it.<br /><br />We maybe now have a "working" coalition of 4 directors -- 3 of whom are not up for election, and thus are clearly not "reformed" only for the campaign period. <br /><br />Let's hope they can get something accomplished.Jannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48155888706856796712011-03-23T08:36:49.661-07:002011-03-23T08:36:49.661-07:00none1111,
I am also giving the new Supt a chance ...none1111,<br /><br />I am also giving the new Supt a chance (notice I don't say mean things about her). What hasn't changed is MAP however. The entire issue requires a do-over. There are superior products out there for less money, resources, and time.<br /><br />But I digress...MAPsuckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043019493554551794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38291368154609753172011-03-23T08:04:35.068-07:002011-03-23T08:04:35.068-07:00I have had a very nice email exchange with Ms Pasc...I have had a very nice email exchange with Ms Pascopella in which I - courteously and respectfully - pointed out a number of Mr. Payzant's false statements, logical errors, and conflicts of interest.<br /><br />She asked permission to include my email in the Letters section of the next issue and I granted it.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-35564364282205747992011-03-23T00:19:57.784-07:002011-03-23T00:19:57.784-07:00LOL. Just because I don't take your full-scal...LOL. Just because I don't take your full-scale hard line stance against all aspects of MAP doesn't necessarily mean we can't share similar views on other topics!<br /><br />I have no problem calling bullshit where I see bullshit. And the district is way too full of cronyism and dishonesty for my taste. Actually, it goes way beyond this district, as we see here with Mr. Payzant's ridiculous article. <br /><br />Unlike Dan though, I'm still hopeful that the changes in leadership (and some external oversight) will help get us back on a better path. At least I'm willing to give the new guard a chance.none1111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43273676412641301462011-03-22T23:24:04.950-07:002011-03-22T23:24:04.950-07:00none1111,
we agree?! Hallelujah, I'm not havi...none1111,<br />we agree?! Hallelujah, I'm not having flashbacks from college.MAPsuckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043019493554551794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74177728520708751552011-03-22T23:15:07.170-07:002011-03-22T23:15:07.170-07:00Charlie said: "Hey, maybe Mr. Payzant relied ...Charlie said: <i>"Hey, maybe Mr. Payzant relied on the Colorado Growth Model and saw that 65% of Seattle students in every grade made gains on state tests."</i><br /><br />Hahahahahaha! Best laugh of the evening, thanks!<br /><br />After looking over boatloads of tables in those MPR reports, I fail to see where Mr. Payzant is finding these amazing gains. Neither the numbers nor trends are worth bragging about. In fact, many of them are embarrassing.none1111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71311622256090656962011-03-22T22:13:53.828-07:002011-03-22T22:13:53.828-07:00Maybe he meant "unstable leadership" - t...Maybe he meant "unstable leadership" - that appears to more closely resemble what we have had the past several years!wsnorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795943009142572757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13833945662992556172011-03-22T21:34:23.582-07:002011-03-22T21:34:23.582-07:00Hey, maybe Mr. Payzant relied on the Colorado Grow...Hey, maybe Mr. Payzant relied on the Colorado Growth Model and saw that 65% of Seattle students in every grade made gains on state tests.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-80677886483501622392011-03-22T20:01:34.371-07:002011-03-22T20:01:34.371-07:00Live links (I hope)
http://www.broadprize.org/ass...Live links (I hope)<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">http://www.broadprize.org/asset/0-30largedistsbetterperform2010.pdf</a><br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">http://www.mprinc.com/products/pdf/GA_GWINNETTCOUNTY_PDF5.pdf</a><br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">http://www.broadprize.org/asset/1573-seattledata.pdf</a>MAPsuckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043019493554551794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19033498646430013972011-03-22T19:42:24.172-07:002011-03-22T19:42:24.172-07:00Actually, take a look at page 3 of Seattle's B...Actually, take a look at page 3 of Seattle's Broad data. I'd say we're pretty much flat-lined.<br /><br />http://www.broadprize.org/asset/1573-seattledata.pdfMAPsuckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043019493554551794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6086777122407985882011-03-22T19:36:53.740-07:002011-03-22T19:36:53.740-07:00That's funny, according to this relatively rec...That's funny, according to this relatively recent brief, Seattle didn't make the cut (except for improvements for hispanic students [as long as they're not ELL, I'll bet])<br /><br />http://www.broadprize.org/asset/0-30largedistsbetterperform2010.pdf<br /><br />The methodology used is described in detail here:<br /><br />http://www.mprinc.com/products/pdf/GA_GWINNETTCOUNTY_PDF5.pdfMAPsuckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043019493554551794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-36988511831040672072011-03-22T19:28:14.287-07:002011-03-22T19:28:14.287-07:00My bad. MPR uses NCES data, but the report for th...My bad. MPR uses NCES data, but the report for the 2010 winner has this caveat:<br /><br />Important Note Regarding State Test Data<br />Because states establish their own assessment and proficiency standards, districts’ performance on state tests cannot be directly compared across states. To provide context for these data, summary tables containing information on state performance on the National Assessment of Education Progress (NAEP), the 2009 NAEP Trial Urban District Assessment (TUDA ), and a 2006 Northwestern Evaluation Association (NWEA) proficiency-standards mapping study are available online at www.broadprize.org but are not included in this data report.<br /><br />Dang, I guess MGJ won't be getting the $2M prize even though her results were so all-fired great.MAPsuckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043019493554551794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60690155797604479072011-03-22T19:21:08.934-07:002011-03-22T19:21:08.934-07:00Off MPR's website:
Evaluating school district...Off MPR's website:<br /><br /><b>Evaluating school district results for the Broad Prize</b><br />Each year, MPR helps selection committees choose the winners of the $2 million Broad Prize for Urban Education. The Broad Prize recognizes large, urban school districts that improve overall student performance while reducing achievement gaps for low-income and minority students. MPR prepares comprehensive reports for each of the 100 eligible districts that analyze data from all school districts in 40 states to provide comparisons across districts. Learn more about The Broad Prize. See the report for the 2010 winner, analysis and design by MPR.<br /><br />Good to see more consultants and "non-profits" are making money off data-mining and education reform.MAPsuckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043019493554551794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-37817575876697113492011-03-22T19:08:23.501-07:002011-03-22T19:08:23.501-07:00Gee, I wonder if NWEA is Broad's personal nati...Gee, I wonder if NWEA is Broad's personal national database source? Their "Growth Research Database" is only supposed to be available for "legitimate educational research purposes". The contract's Schedule B says NWEA will only share it with approved researchers that "uphold the same confidentiality guidelines" as NWEA. These "legitimate" parties agree not to release school or district names without "express written consent" of the school district.<br /><br />Was this MGJ's last act? Giving consent for a public relations release...ah...report with "tailored comparisons of a district's students in relation to groups of students that share similar performance and demographic characteristics."<br /><br />Good to see our money put to use for these purposes.<br /><br />Methinks MPR deserves some research.MAPsuckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043019493554551794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30624658307808578032011-03-22T18:53:19.294-07:002011-03-22T18:53:19.294-07:00And -- if we had done so well, (1) how does that p...And -- if we had done so well, (1) how does that play into the 17% ready for college numbers that were so widely tossed around, and (2) since we were already so highly achieving -- why did we need all the stuff she was cramming down our throats THIS year (TFA, science alignment, etc., etc.) <br /><br />My guess is -- because the "impressive gains" are bogus and don't exist.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09923777229601243321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43077916822972444302011-03-22T16:11:31.271-07:002011-03-22T16:11:31.271-07:00So Tom Payzant (Broad Academy graduate, Broad ment...So Tom Payzant (Broad Academy graduate, Broad mentor for the Broad Superintendent, Broad "trainer" for the board) did the evaluation of the Broad superintendent using Broad data that is, in effect, inaccessible to the public?<br /><br />Each board member has to be asked, under oath and subject to prosecution if commiting perjury, a) to identify every aspect of Broad influence, communication, or any other Broad connection to the district that they are aware of; b)identify any Broad connections they are aware of between Broad, district, city, state, nation, other "coalitions, leagues, alliances, advisories, foundations," etc; c) which politicians at all levels do they know are "selling" Broad agendas; and d)which aspects of the Broad agenda points do they agree with, disagree with, and why.<br /><br />Then they should be asked the same quesitons about Gates.seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88147737009087465242011-03-22T15:20:50.395-07:002011-03-22T15:20:50.395-07:00I wonder how the results are organized. For insta...I wonder how the results are organized. For instance, do they count the changes at Thurgood Marshall, CHS, etc as academic improvement? Are they looking at student level or school level data?Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22523883472512671582011-03-22T15:19:44.199-07:002011-03-22T15:19:44.199-07:00Funny how if this is how the data came out for Bro...<i>Funny how if this is how the data came out for Broad, that SPS didn't crow about it.</i><br /><br />Exactly! If she accomplished all these miraculous results, how come folks here on this blog don't know about it? Why wouldn't SPS have been announcing in every way possible the successes that had occurred in just 3 short years? <br /><br />And remember that last raise MGJ got? Wasn't it for meeting only 5 out of 20 standards that were related to student achievement? So the measures that SPS identified as most important and most under the influence of the Super did not show her efforts paying off (yet, which was her excuse, just needed more time). But in this article, apparently, any way you slice the data, MGJ achieved awesome outcomes. I guess she just wasn't bright enough to use the right metrics in her own performance evaluation!Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777580098975083499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-67124575716731210502011-03-22T14:49:03.938-07:002011-03-22T14:49:03.938-07:00From the comments from the Seattle Times:
"I...From the comments from the Seattle Times:<br /><br />"I asked Tom Payzant to cite the source of his test scores and he replied via email that the Broad Foundation has the data, he does not.<br /><br />A Broad spokeswoman said the data comes from publcly available data run through an analysis conducted by MPR Associates (based in Berkeley, Calif.) comparing student achievement in 100 of the nation’s large urban school districts, 2) publicly available data run through an analysis we (The Broad Foundation) run each year to track student progress under graduates of The Broad Superintendents Academy (of which Maria Goodloe-Johnson is a graduate). Seattle’s outcomes in the last couple years on both of these national analyses are impressive (versus gains made in other large urban districts)."<br /><br />Funny how if this is how the data came out for Broad, that SPS didn't crow about it. I'm thinking what is really true is that the OTHER districts did so poorly, SPS looks great by comparison. I also do not believe that SPS did better across the grade levels.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-17772485632854751762011-03-22T14:19:39.264-07:002011-03-22T14:19:39.264-07:00Wondering if perhaps this is where his data came f...Wondering if perhaps this is where his data came from?<br /><br /><br />Data Profile<br />District Summary<br />December 2009<br />STUDENT TEST SCORE ACHIEVEMENT<br />http://www.seattleschools.org/area/siso/disprof/2009/DP09testach.pdfsomeonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3049128410260903532011-03-22T12:37:36.297-07:002011-03-22T12:37:36.297-07:00The action MGJ took when the fraud and her coverup...The action MGJ took when the fraud and her coverup was discovered was catching the next flight out of town!Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16260807460417787614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40955222117127364902011-03-22T12:25:20.880-07:002011-03-22T12:25:20.880-07:00Wow. District Administration magazine doesn't...Wow. District Administration magazine doesn't care what it publishes at all.<br /><br />I'm appalled, obviously, by all the lies, but I am a little amused that the whole thing is a lie. <br /><br />Sure, I'd expect Thomas Payzant to misrepresent why and how Maria Goodloe-Johnson was pushed out, but the making up bald-faced lies about achievement data that can easily be looked up is, to put it mildly, gutsy. The guy apparently cares for his reputation not at all.<br /><br />Best part -- when he states that Seattle public schools have a higher rate of poverty that the state as a whole. The truth? Free and reduced lunch rates in Washington state <a href="http://reportcard.ospi.k12.wa.us/summary.aspx?groupLevel=District&schoolId=1&reportLevel=State&orgLinkId=100&yrs=&year=2009-10" rel="nofollow">42.3%</a>, free and reduced lunch rates in Seattle public schools <a href="http://reportcard.ospi.k12.wa.us/summary.aspx?groupLevel=District&schoolId=100&reportLevel=District&orgLinkId=100&yrs=2009-10&year=2009-10" rel="nofollow">42.4%</a><br /><br />I guess if you're already making stuff up, why get anything right?<br /><br />Come on, Payzant, put just a little bit of effort into your fiction. What a hack.<br /><br />- BirdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com