tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3958912296384008165..comments2024-03-28T23:38:22.511-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Lincoln High Open ThreadMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-5824139610232069232017-03-01T14:39:55.767-08:002017-03-01T14:39:55.767-08:00Any documents to share from that meeting? Burke ha...Any documents to share from that meeting? Burke had said he would create a dedicated site for Lincoln HS, but I don't see anything. Anyone have a link?<br /><br />Concerned parentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-8571612809421875772017-02-27T11:44:52.698-08:002017-02-27T11:44:52.698-08:00Kellie,
Are there any actions / advocacy you reco...Kellie,<br /><br />Are there any actions / advocacy you recommend we start taking now?<br /><br />Thanks,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91550382588683864582017-02-27T11:35:56.113-08:002017-02-27T11:35:56.113-08:00And if they yank 11th graders from the Ingraham IB...And if they yank 11th graders from the Ingraham IB program to populate Lincoln, what happens to the Ingraham IB program? That's a problem for Ingraham, too, coming in the same year that Ingraham is slated to add 500 students to its population. Why would they yank kids from Ingraham when they are building capacity there?<br /><br /><br />Concerned Parent<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57922237591110651962017-02-27T11:28:16.034-08:002017-02-27T11:28:16.034-08:00Language immersion students like my current 8th gr...Language immersion students like my current 8th grader at Hamilton are headed to Ingraham on the immersion pathway. They sign up for IB in spring of sophomore year. Every other international high school in SPS offers IB. Lincoln will not and cannot, at least in its initial years as it is a multi-year certification process and requires a great deal of staff training. <br /><br />It is incumbent on parents of CURRENT 8th GRADERS headed to Ingraham in the fall to advocate that students be allowed to continue the program they selected this year via open enrollment. SAP clearly states that students are entitled to stay in a choice placement (versus reference school) through the highest grade of that school. This is the rule under which SPS is having parents make choices NOW. If they start to mess with that moving forward, it's on us parents to fight back and ensure Rick Burke understands the implications.<br /><br />Concerned parentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68232849812126526432017-02-24T16:45:05.311-08:002017-02-24T16:45:05.311-08:00Is the Center School likely to remain open for the...Is the Center School likely to remain open for the next 6 years? Long time to forecast but I have a 7th grader who might be a great fit.<br /><br />asdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28960079828308720952017-02-23T14:57:09.253-08:002017-02-23T14:57:09.253-08:00When you reverse engineer the timeline it becomes ...When you reverse engineer the timeline it becomes very clear why so many parents want this done sooner, and significantly sooner than the Eagle Staff timeline. <br /><br />Sept 2019 - Lincoln HS doors open and needs to be ready to provide a 24 credit experience for about 1,000 students. <br /><br />Summer 2019 - A lot happens over the summer with high school. Athletic practices start weeks before school and team captains typically run their own practice as well. Many classes have summer assignments. Some AP or advanced classes include a full summer homework packet with a big test on the first day of classes. <br /><br />Spring 2019 - Students work with their guidance counselors to pick their classes, etc. This means that the guidance counseling team needs to be in place by Spring as well as a process for working out all the various contingencies with moving students from at least three very different high schools. <br /><br />Feb 2019 - Open enrollment starts. The master schedule needs to be worked out and department heads completely in place prior to open enrollment. This is not middle school. For middle school, you can build the master schedule with or without department heads because the range of class offerings in middle school is very limited. This simply can't be done in high school. <br /><br />Jan 2019 - The regularly scheduled Student Assignment Plan vote with program placement. The full budget for Lincoln is going to need to be in place before this vote, otherwise, there is no way to build a master schedule. But without program placement, you can't even estimate a budget. <br /><br /><br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-46479876840875469492017-02-23T13:31:02.368-08:002017-02-23T13:31:02.368-08:00Muddy-- Agree. Considering the volume of students ...Muddy-- Agree. Considering the volume of students involved, it would be detrimental to keep so many students (perhaps 1/3-1/2 of future Lincoln) in the dark by waiting on program placement decisions. Program placement should be done alongside boundaries. People need to bring provide feedback to the board and bring to their attention.<br />-SLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-8173658198875755602017-02-23T13:07:12.726-08:002017-02-23T13:07:12.726-08:00I suspect Garfield would likely continue as an HCC...I suspect Garfield would likely continue as an HCC pathway, although the number of HC-identified students would be greatly reduced. This would likely impact access to advanced courses, although Garfield admin seems to be moving in that direction regardless... <br /><br />Re: the Lincoln task force looking at boundaries, I agree with kellie they should push HARD for hiring the planning principal, too. In addition, I hope they are ALSO considering program placement decisions, since you can't reasonably draw boundaries in the absence of information on program placement. When there are enough HCC students to fill half the new school, they can't possibly draw boundaries without that information. (Well, shouldn't.)<br /><br />muddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-78068930576982224162017-02-23T10:37:46.443-08:002017-02-23T10:37:46.443-08:00Melissa-- I was under the impression that Garfield...Melissa-- I was under the impression that Garfield likely will still have HCC pathway students living in south end, but will be split with north end and Queen Anne/Magnolia HCC students will go to Lincoln. Am I wrong? <br />-SL Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60465456907624925372017-02-23T10:27:18.856-08:002017-02-23T10:27:18.856-08:00That will be quite interesting to watch the evolut...That will be quite interesting to watch the evolution of Garfield if HCC is gone. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-54436125186619486862017-02-23T09:45:32.834-08:002017-02-23T09:45:32.834-08:00I had an influence on this situation (which I don&...I had an influence on this situation (which I don't), I would be pressing that the upcoming task force on Lincoln's boundaries, included hiring the planning principal, so that the task force was assigned both tasks. <br /><br />I think that combo may be the only way to get a planning principal, with community input, in place two years in advance of Lincoln's opening. Between the facilities construction, building community, planning the master schedule, learning the community and special programs at multiple schools and recruiting department heads, this person will have a real job. <br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88144615026449944152017-02-23T09:34:45.488-08:002017-02-23T09:34:45.488-08:00@ Muddy,
When I said the "bulk of Lincoln&q...@ Muddy, <br /><br />When I said the "bulk of Lincoln" and I was referring to Lincoln's attendance area, not its population. <br /><br />Here is the current high school map. I think when you look at the map, it becomes pretty clear that about 1/3 of the Ballard attendance area is closer to Lincoln. Queen Anne and Fremont are nearly certain to be in the future Lincoln attendance area. <br /><br />The parts of Roosevelt and Garfield that move to Lincoln are much less obvious and therefore likely to be more contentious. Hence, my initial recommendation of Ballard, because a significant portion of Ballard is already expecting the move. Clearly there will be students from Ballard, Garfield and Roosevelt in the mix and the sooner this process starts, the better it will go for everyone. Because, until there are some actual facts, all we have is conjecture. <br /><br />https://www.seattleschools.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_543/File/District/Departments/Enrollment%20Planning/Maps/boundarymaps/2016-17/District/AA_ALL_20160919/SPSDistrictMap2016_20160915_AAHS_color.pdf<br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73193498955821712632017-02-22T16:11:55.777-08:002017-02-22T16:11:55.777-08:00Garfield will be most crowded. Ballard second most...Garfield will be most crowded. Ballard second most crowded.If Garfield will lose north end hcc planning principal should connect with Garfield staff as well as Ballard and/or Roosevelt. School could end up one third HCC pathway.<br />TSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74382302535877697052017-02-22T13:46:39.576-08:002017-02-22T13:46:39.576-08:00"Another parent commented that it would be be...<br />"Another parent commented that it would be better to have program placement settled before hiring a planning principal so that the principal knew what programs would be there when hired." <br /><br />Well, here's an issue. They need to hire a principal who BACKS said program. Because here the example of the DISTRICT making a program placement decision and then expectingthe long-term principal to support it at the school. <br /><br />However, this flies in the face of their current so-called "site-based management" where principals are allowed to ignore program structures and even end them at their schools. Hmmm.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38129228265215462752017-02-22T13:29:14.707-08:002017-02-22T13:29:14.707-08:00@kellie, I'm curious why you say the bulk of L...@kellie, I'm curious why you say the bulk of Lincoln's population will be carved out of Ballard. Hamilton has 1200 students (over only 3 grades), so is comparable in size per grade to the future Lincoln. Given the geographic proximity and the likely program overlaps (e.g., HCC, LI), doesn't it seem like many of the HIMS students will end up at Lincoln? Most, however, don't end up going to Ballard now, do they? Most HCC kids go to Garfield or Ingraham; LI has a pathway to Ingraham; and many GE/Spectrum are in the Roosevelt zone. <br /><br />Are you suggesting that the Rosevelt zone might not shrink much, and that the bulk of the "remaining" space (after accounting for anticipated HCC, LI, and other placements) would be filled by adjustments to the Ballard boundary instead?<br /><br />MuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40618226374938997532017-02-22T11:31:30.012-08:002017-02-22T11:31:30.012-08:00@ muddy,
Yes, that was a typo. 2018, not 2019. N...@ muddy, <br /><br />Yes, that was a typo. 2018, not 2019. Nov 2018 would be the "scheduled" time for Lincoln boundaries. Thankfully, that has been pulled forward to this upcoming November 2017 and isn't going to be pushed out until 2018. <br /><br />The geo-split of JAMS was determined during the boundary process. The geo-split for Eagle Staff was determined during the SAP vote. So I guess, it could be either or the board could even address this independently. <br /><br />If Dir Burke addressed this question, I missed the answer. As for your other questions, they are excellent questions without any answers at the moment. Opening a new high school is a big process and it hasn't been done in "institutional memory." Until there is a planning principal in place, there just won't be any answers. <br /><br />IMHO, we really need two full years of a planning principal. Paula Montogomery was hired over the summer and was embedded into Hazel Wolf K8 for the entire school year before Hazel Wolf moved the next summer and JAMS opened in the Fall. She was very busy that entire year, because it was the first new comprehensive school. She needed that entire year to build community and confidence and attract high quality staff and work with the central office on the budget for all of the questions you listed. <br /><br />The planning principal can easily be embedded at Ballard as the bulk of the future Lincoln will clearly be carved out of Ballard, which is currently the most crowded school. <br /><br />Frankly if the plan to launch Lincoln is dependent on the geo-split students actually going to Lincoln, a planning principal working in the community that will be split, is the ONLY practical way to instill students and families with the confidence to make the shift. If either the current Ballard or Roosevelt principals was planning to take the job, I think the entire feeling around Lincoln would be completely different. <br /><br />It is this information vacuum that is the biggest problem. There isn't even a place to email comments, question or concerns. <br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-34882585874234904242017-02-22T11:18:27.190-08:002017-02-22T11:18:27.190-08:00"He then said that currently, there hasn'...<br />"He then said that currently, there hasn't been a change to the program placement timeline and that the official timeline for Lincoln program placement was the Jan 2019 vote. "<br /><br />Wait, what???<br /><br />They are suggesting to not let people know until a couple weeks before open enrollment--and likely AFTER all open houses have been held--which programs will be there? <br /><br />And how would Lincoln be expected to adequately plan the course offerings if they don't know who is going to be there? They're going to need to reach out to counselors at Garfield and Ballard and Roosevelt and Hamilton and possibly elsewhere to figure out the right mix. Then they're also going to need to visit all those schools in the spring to help students select classes for the fall. It's going to be way more complex that JAMS, since students will be coming with more diverse academic backgrounds and high schools have many more electives to offer. Plus, the whole 24-credit requirement.... <br /><br />Is this cluelessness or denial on the part of SPS as to the level of complexity involved with starting a high school, or am I imagining things to be more complicated than they really are? I've never started a high school before so am willing to concede that I could be off base in my assessment, but then again, when's the last time SPS staff opened a comprehensive high school with multiple special programs and new graduation requirements? <br /><br />muddy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68018934764003623482017-02-22T11:06:35.700-08:002017-02-22T11:06:35.700-08:00@ kellie, I assume that's a typo in your secon...@ kellie, I assume that's a typo in your second Nov date, and should be 2018, correct?<br /><br />So, in Jan 2018 they will determine which programs will be placed at Lincoln, then in Nov 2018 they can finalize the boundaries. <br />Where, if anywhere, does the decision re: which grades will be at Lincoln in yr 1 happen? It doesn't seem like it's part of either the SAP or the Growth Boundaries... <br /><br />The Jan 2018 decision around program placement will allow the planning principal to start fine tuning the course offerings. It seems logical that they would reach out to counselors at both Garfield and Hamilton to see what sort of classes students will need, whether in 9th or 11th grade. How many staff is Lincoln likely to have on board for that Jan-Jun 2018 period? Is it typically just a planning principal and that's it? How early can they start hiring department heads and the like? Lincoln is going to need to hold Open Houses in Dec/Jan of 2018, and they'll need to have a lot of information available for students and families by then. <br /><br />muddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82125568894680170282017-02-22T09:22:25.973-08:002017-02-22T09:22:25.973-08:00Director Burke had a slide with the timeline on it...Director Burke had a slide with the timeline on it. I could not read it from where I was sitting so I had hoped that someone else would be able to fill in the detailed timeline. This is my best guess based on the pattern that was discussed that night. If someone has better detail, please correct me. <br /><br />The basic timeline without any modifications<br />Nov 2017 - Growth Boundaries for 2018 opening schools. <br />Jan 2018 - Student Assignment Plan for 2018-19 School year, with program placement information. <br />Nov 2019 - Growth Boundaries for 2019 opening schools, including Lincoln. <br />Jan 2019 - Student Assignment Plan for 2019-20 school year, with program placement information. <br /><br />Director Burke then announced there would be a task force soon to address the boundaries so that Lincoln's boundaries would be settled in the Nov 2017 vote, rather than the Nov 2018 vote. <br /><br />He then said that currently, there hasn't been a change to the program placement timeline and that the official timeline for Lincoln program placement was the Jan 2019 vote. Several parents commented on how unsettling it was to have program placement for Eagle Staff voted on so late in the process and that it would be good to learn from that problem and settle the program placement in Jan 2018. Dir Burke commented that this was exactly the type of feedback that was needed and helpful. <br /><br />Another parent commented that it would be better to have program placement settled before hiring a planning principal so that the principal knew what programs would be there when hired. <br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-35131485597368340042017-02-21T20:08:22.650-08:002017-02-21T20:08:22.650-08:00Kellie or anyone else who attended when in 2018 is...Kellie or anyone else who attended when in 2018 is the vote for the student assignment plan? Would it be early in 2018 prior to open enrollment? Or later in the year in Dec 2018?<br />-planning aheadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72548379344117319652017-02-21T19:51:52.330-08:002017-02-21T19:51:52.330-08:00I think they should put northend HCC and language ...I think they should put northend HCC and language immersion at Lincoln and fix up RB and put southend HCC there, or maybe to Franklin or Sealth. Let Ted Howard and his unwelcoming staff have their neighborhood school.<br /><br />Move onAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49843960865372698162017-02-21T17:33:01.135-08:002017-02-21T17:33:01.135-08:00Rainier Beach is on the short list for BEX V proje...Rainier Beach is on the short list for BEX V projects. I suspect the project will likely be slotted into the first half of the timeline for both political and practical reasons. RB is way past due for a full facilities update. kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49721009956348121922017-02-21T14:23:36.160-08:002017-02-21T14:23:36.160-08:00@ Skeptical, don't make this out to be a north...@ Skeptical, don't make this out to be a north vs. south or rich vs. poor issue when it's not. "How is it equitable to ensure the kids of Wallingford and Queen Anne and Magnolia land at a high school that will have 1,100 students so that those kids get access to good education, but, the kids in the south have to make do with a school that has been perpetually underfed for a decade?"<br /><br />In case you haven't noticed, a lot of SPS high schools are overcrowded. Garfield, included. You could have asked: "How is it equitable that kids in the central district get a nice full school like Garfield?" Or is it ok for them, just not ok for kids who live north of there?<br /><br />Or maybe we could ask "how is it equitable to ensure that kids in south Seattle have plenty of access to high schools in their neighborhood, but kids in north Seattle have to make do with schools that are overcrowded or put up with long commutes to Garfield?" The equity lens goes both ways.<br /><br />Adding seats where we need them makes sense. Geographically, we need more seats in the north end. Adding seats where we have facility space also makes sense, and we have an old high school building at Lincoln. The only alternative would be to shift everyone southward for high school, which would mean displacing a bunch of students who live near Garfield so that north end students can have their spots. Do you really think that's a better option? <br /><br />why so<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71955933623989104012017-02-21T12:54:55.351-08:002017-02-21T12:54:55.351-08:00Rainier Beach needs a facilities overhaul. Maybe ...Rainier Beach needs a facilities overhaul. Maybe if they put some money into the building, they would attract more families there. Ballard got a big boost in interest when it was remodeled.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-21882580094845776412017-02-21T09:53:27.076-08:002017-02-21T09:53:27.076-08:00BN also has a really good point. Changes made to m...BN also has a really good point. Changes made to metro, have has a huge impact on the attractiveness of Garfield. The 48 bus used to travel from Crown Hill to Garfield. That one bus made Garfield extremely accessible to many north end students. That bus route is gone. <br /><br />Lincoln's location could be a big draw for families. But the lack of any solid information, will continue to be an insurmountable obstacle to building enthusiasm. <br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.com