tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post5828062571266855210..comments2024-03-28T23:38:22.511-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Nathan Hale's Basketball Team Looks SuperMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64301797929398607282017-12-01T01:13:51.136-08:002017-12-01T01:13:51.136-08:00Yahoo is one of the oldest web service providers i...Yahoo is one of the oldest web service providers in the world.<br /><a href="https://www.ymaillogin.org/" rel="nofollow">yahoo mail login</a>srikanthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06260681586506848278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42755953165534393812017-06-15T21:30:28.834-07:002017-06-15T21:30:28.834-07:00CoachTube features online courses to learn how to ...CoachTube features online courses to learn how to coach basketball via basketball instructional videos by top coaching professionals <a href="https://coachtube.com/courses/basketball" rel="nofollow">Basketball training Videos</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05456829417838688160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6459569963102653792016-12-01T12:55:03.991-08:002016-12-01T12:55:03.991-08:00Thanks, Melissa. I'll email a few people and s...Thanks, Melissa. I'll email a few people and see if they can send you what they know. I don't know much, since I don't have a child at LS, but I will probably have one at REMS, so I've been trying to follow it.. Mountaineernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3595039200981995742016-12-01T07:58:21.645-08:002016-12-01T07:58:21.645-08:00This situation appears to be a violation of the WI...This situation appears to be a violation of the WIAA Philosophy of Transfer statement as discussed in their cover statement and rules in section 18.11.0. If the school district does not intercede, then the WIAA should either get directly involved or rewrite the rules to circumvent the hypocrisy that now prevails.RLFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15852167175515568400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45710590385540442282016-11-30T13:55:49.683-08:002016-11-30T13:55:49.683-08:00Mountaineer, I don't have enough info on that ...Mountaineer, I don't have enough info on that situation to write about it. However, I can just put up an open thread if people want to discuss it and provide information they may have. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-18144933889478080152016-11-30T01:18:01.937-08:002016-11-30T01:18:01.937-08:00Outsider, I grew up in a Big Ten college town, had...Outsider, I grew up in a Big Ten college town, had family in towns where high school sports were the highlight of Friday nights, and played HS basketball, so I really get the pull of athletics. But I really don't think we have the whole picture of the cost of slicing the system to benefit athletics. This article sums up my feelings: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/the-case-against-high-school-sports/309447/<br /><br />Melissa, do you have plans for a posting about Licton Springs, and the principal's push to move to an option site?<br />Mountaineernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-54996283517864149172016-11-29T21:34:06.029-08:002016-11-29T21:34:06.029-08:00I love the spirit of the game exhibited through ul...I love the spirit of the game exhibited through ultimate. For those looking for more inspiration, this group of teens (many founders are now in college) from many high schools around the Seattle area has done amazing things to take their generous spirit to Cambodia: http://www.youthultimateproject.org/<br /><br />-Danielle <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-67353548358783127912016-11-29T15:27:58.225-08:002016-11-29T15:27:58.225-08:00On another sports-related note, Ultimate Frisbee c...On another sports-related note, Ultimate Frisbee continues to inspire with its "Spirit of the Game" attitude: Roosevelt and Cleveland, who have been Ultimate "rivals," are working together to send Cleveland's team to nationals. Roosevelt has been helping fundraise so Cleveland can go. yay!<br /><br />The story can be found on Komo:<br /><br /><a href="http://komonews.com/news/local/rival-teams-band-together-to-send-one-to-national-tournament" rel="nofollow">Rival frisbee teams band together to send one to national tournament</a>seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41510809805514698802016-11-29T14:37:57.288-08:002016-11-29T14:37:57.288-08:00They don't have to recruit. The kids know whi...They don't have to recruit. The kids know which schools have better teams for their sport. I doubt Roy had to recruit much. All he had to do was say he was taking the job at Hale.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4421265734277257032016-11-29T13:16:40.569-08:002016-11-29T13:16:40.569-08:00Brandon Roy and Ed Haskins had a falling out. Whic...Brandon Roy and Ed Haskins had a falling out. Which is a really big surprise seeing how Brandon had asked Ted Howatd to hire someone other than at Haskins to begin with, but Tony Wroten's father pushed Ed Haskins. If Brandon had his way, he would've replaced Haskins at Garfield and the Porter brothers would have joined him there. Pointing to other schools doing recruiting or transferring for athletic purposes doesn't make it right. BTDTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77419018774702991842016-11-29T12:24:48.251-08:002016-11-29T12:24:48.251-08:00The other schools did not have coaching positions ...The other schools did not have coaching positions available. Hale did. Hale has had a really hard time keeping basketball coaches. Also, I too thought kids would be disappointed about being displaced but from what I have heard, most are excited about playing on teams with a chance at winning more than 2 games. The only complaints I heard was from members of the girls basketball team being shut out of the gym but that has been corrected and the girls are now given equal time.<br /><br />Kids have always moved to be on the teams they want. I know of swimmers whose families moved to Roosevelt's area. Gymnasts who have moved to be at Ballard. It doesn't just happen with baseketball and football.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64431371487747788552016-11-29T12:04:08.465-08:002016-11-29T12:04:08.465-08:00And the kids that played varsity last year who hav...And the kids that played varsity last year who have been bumped by 7 new transfers. Bet they weren't so thrilled with this turn of events. But hey, Romar can count on Roy to keep other college coaches away from his commits. <br /><br />Melissa, as you look into this, you might want to see if the address of the new players who have moved into the Hale area happen to overlap with Brandon Roy's personal real estate holdings and real estate business. An astounding number of Garfield transfers used to live in real estate connected to Roy when he was the Garfield patron. <br /><br />-GSHAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-17463294447910618932016-11-29T11:25:26.998-08:002016-11-29T11:25:26.998-08:00Mountaineer -- my point was not that college athle...Mountaineer -- my point was not that college athletic departments as a whole make a profit. It was that football and basketball subsidize other sports, which I think is true. If not for all that sponsor and TV money coming in, colleges would have to either cut sports or spend more taxpayer cash on the athletic department.Outsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13137605959597425362016-11-29T10:56:32.888-08:002016-11-29T10:56:32.888-08:00HP, a student can be HCC eligible so yes, I suspec...HP, a student can be HCC eligible so yes, I suspect that Hale has its share of HCC students. I love that "just not necessarily on varsity." And I suspect that boys that played on the freshman and JV team hoped to be on varsity only to find that half the varsity team just happens to be new transfers. Hmmm.<br /><br />But I'm looking into this and I'll let you know what I find out. As BTDT says, I hope SPS has vetted the whole thing because it would not be good to have a scandal over something that didn't need to happen.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68120196541145383162016-11-29T10:52:35.031-08:002016-11-29T10:52:35.031-08:00But minor league football and basketball are hugel...<i> But minor league football and basketball are hugely popular and make tons of money, because each team is attached to a college or university. Strange but true. Not everything strange is bad, however. The ton of money funds college athletic departments and pays for lots of other loss-making sports which would otherwise have to be cancelled or put on the taxpayer's tab.</i><br /><br />Yeah, no. <br />Athletics departments that make more than they spend still a minority: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/athletics-departments-make-more-they-spend-still-minority<br />Myth: College Sports Are a Cash Cow: http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Pages/Myth-College-Sports-Are-a-Cash-Cow2.aspx<br /><br />Mountaineernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69716728302308799542016-11-29T10:28:28.511-08:002016-11-29T10:28:28.511-08:00HP,
Varsity, JV, and a C team (or a 9th grade tea...HP,<br /><br />Varsity, JV, and a C team (or a 9th grade team) are what you can field and have competition for. Each team is typically 10-12 players. 60 players tried out at Hale. That means at least 25 hopefuls didn't make the three teams. None of the variety starters attended Hale prior to this year. Romar gives Porter a job. Porters kids commit to UW. Porter starts looking for high schools for his sons to play basketball at (they don't actually attend school for academics, just sports), UW grad Brandon Roy becomes the Hale coach after years of being the patron to his high school team (Garfield), the Porters pick Hale because of Roy being the coach. Then other kids "move" to join the team. Including Garfield players Roy had mentored at his alma matter. It smells. Hope SPS has done some due diligence and that this doesn't end up blowing up in their face like the Chief Sealth girls basketball scandal of about ten years ago.BTDTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-26122144985158285862016-11-29T10:11:50.384-08:002016-11-29T10:11:50.384-08:00Why offer a varsity basketball team (separate from...Why offer a varsity basketball team (separate from JV and C teams) but not an honors history class or AP Bio or chemistry for 9th graders separate from regular history or physical science? Does the school exist to maximize student learning or student basketball skills?<br /><br />The point is that Hale should not segregate 9th and 10th graders in academies because doing so limits the school's ability to provide services to students as required by state law. I anticipate all high schools will be doing something like this soon with Jill Hudson in charge of recreating the high school experience. Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12455626060651890502016-11-29T09:51:54.878-08:002016-11-29T09:51:54.878-08:00HCC students don't have to go to Hale. They c...HCC students don't have to go to Hale. They can go to Ingraham or Garfield. I know that in math, HCC students can skip ahead to the appropriate level and then after Calculus, go to North Seattle College for higher levels of math. I believe the reason the science is like it is, is because of the academies they have in Freshman year and how the block classes are set up. Science is one of those block classes (LA, Science, Health, Social Studies) so it can't be easily changed. You can take any of these as honor classes.<br /><br />Nathan Hale Academies:<br />For the fall semester, each academy has been further divided into a health/science block and a language arts/social studies block. Students will do course work in a single block first quarter, and then work in the other block second quarter. Your student will have either health/science or language arts/world history first quarter; second quarter they switch and have the block they did not have first quarter.Quarter academy classes are worth a semester credit per class. We are able to do this because the class periods are longer and the material is covered in an in-depth manner. Throughout the entire semester both blocks will focus heavily on reading and writing.<br /><br />In regards to basketball, there are 3 teams or more to play on - varsity, jv, C team (sometimes Freshman team). Anybody who wants to play can play, just not necessarily on varsity. It is the same for all sports at Hale.<br /><br />HP<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45155901566351545862016-11-29T09:24:49.204-08:002016-11-29T09:24:49.204-08:00@ Melissa, I understand where you're coming fr...@ Melissa, I understand where you're coming from, but how is it "fair" to require students to all take the same level of classes--even if some have already taken them and are ready for more? HCC students at Hale, for example, repeat 2 years of science. Their middle school science preparation is completely disregarded, even with EOCs under the belt.<br /><br />It gets to that issue of equity vs. equality. Is "equal" most fair? If so, why do we provide special services for anyone? Or is equitable more fair? It would be more equitable to provide everyone with courses appropriate to their preparation level, with additional attention devoted to those who are struggling the most so they can hopefully make larger gains. <br /><br />DisAPPointedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-52070792843649922652016-11-29T08:48:57.818-08:002016-11-29T08:48:57.818-08:00Funny you should say that, HCC Parent, because Hal...Funny you should say that, HCC Parent, because Hale prides itself on being fair and even-handed. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-14965272965191416512016-11-29T06:59:31.187-08:002016-11-29T06:59:31.187-08:00I don't think it's fair to segregate the h...I don't think it's fair to segregate the high performing basketball players from all the other kids, and then provide them with better coaching, better facilities, etc. I think SPS should implement an "Honors Basketball for All" program. Everyone should be allowed to play on the basketball team in the name of equity. <br /><br />HCC ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-80589043893072124112016-11-29T02:49:29.342-08:002016-11-29T02:49:29.342-08:00Minor league baseball has a low profile and doesn&...Minor league baseball has a low profile and doesn't make any money. But minor league football and basketball are hugely popular and make tons of money, because each team is attached to a college or university. Strange but true. Not everything strange is bad, however. The ton of money funds college athletic departments and pays for lots of other loss-making sports which would otherwise have to be cancelled or put on the taxpayer's tab.<br /><br />High schools so far don't seem to get any share of the revenue, but maybe that's just from lack of creativity. Big city school systems could concentrate their best players at one school, and form inter-city leagues and get TV contracts and persuade middle-aged men to spend their Friday nights watching. The world is going mad anyway so what's one more thing?Outsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42452917330778888862016-11-28T20:05:03.243-08:002016-11-28T20:05:03.243-08:00The way the WIAA rules work, it is a whole family ...The way the WIAA rules work, it is a whole family move or you need to prove why the whole family didn't move, establishing that it wasn't for sports. There have been more than a few athletes who "moved" to addresses whose parents filed for separation the day the season started and withdrew the petition the week after the season was over to avoid the whole family move rule. There is a whole crazy world of schemes out there. The Porters probably had to file an eligibility appeal to explain why only the basketball players of the family moved, and the reason that they would need to give is not that they wanted to play basketball for Brandon Roy. It doesn't help that there was already speculation in the college basketball world that Romar only gave Porter the job to ensure that his son(s) would commit to UW. When he father makes it sound like they were school shopping based on who the coach was, that raises the ire of ADs everywhere. BTDTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23971999682175150882016-11-28T15:50:09.916-08:002016-11-28T15:50:09.916-08:00But, in order to NOT have a Bellevue-type problem,...But, in order to NOT have a Bellevue-type problem, I would like to make sure everything was done properly. That's fairness all around both to students and parents and taxpayers.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-66503646368147281002016-11-28T15:49:31.016-08:002016-11-28T15:49:31.016-08:00NP, absolutely. As I said, my understanding from a...NP, absolutely. As I said, my understanding from a previous Times' story is that the students from Missouri relocated with their father to Seattle and mom and their other kids stayed in Missouri. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.com