tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post5841959203760968581..comments2024-03-27T20:01:11.889-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Fun Times at the School Board Meeting - Part 2Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23846880121327276232011-10-20T23:36:59.126-07:002011-10-20T23:36:59.126-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71310514721089337882011-07-10T13:59:38.233-07:002011-07-10T13:59:38.233-07:00They also go into low income areas because the par...They also go into low income areas because the parents are less likely to complain and advocate for their children, and the district takes advantage of this. Many of these families don't speak English, or work 2 jobs, or are headed by a single parent trying to be make ends meet, etc. - no time to keep track of things like this. All the more reason for others to make sure this does not happen. <br /><br />-CTCTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-46619943728153597702011-07-10T11:16:32.440-07:002011-07-10T11:16:32.440-07:00Dan says:
"Betty asked another classic Betty...Dan says:<br /><br />"Betty asked another classic Betty-blunt question: she asked why are we targeting low-income minority schools for 5-week teachers? She said she wanted "qualified" teachers in those classrooms."<br /><br /><br />The reason TfA is going into places with vulnerable populations is because TfA is an experiment:<br /><br />This country has a strong history of doing experiments on vulnerable populations (who lack political power), i.e. Tuskegee, et al.<br /><br />If this were a method that had demonstrated success, it would be going to the more affluent schools. <br /><br />--experimenting on children in poverty is immoral and I'm glad Betty Patu and the RBHS community know itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19880622535855492162011-07-10T08:17:48.274-07:002011-07-10T08:17:48.274-07:00SPSLeaks URL Fixed hereSPSLeaks URL Fixed <a href="http://www.scribd.com/SPSLeaks" rel="nofollow">here</a>Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68490451974480857872011-07-09T23:06:54.113-07:002011-07-09T23:06:54.113-07:00More UW/TFA docs on:
SPSleaks
JulianMore UW/TFA docs on:<br /><br /><a href="www.scribd.com/spsleaks" rel="nofollow">SPSleaks</a><br /><br />JulianSPSLeakshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714933035660195471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73711238091655359712011-07-09T21:58:07.334-07:002011-07-09T21:58:07.334-07:00Stop TFA -
Yes, I could tell he was afraid of her...Stop TFA - <br />Yes, I could tell he was afraid of her, mostly because he had no truthful responses for her factually-based concerns. I also noted (with some amount of glee) the e-mail that referenced Melissa as the source for all the negative comments on the piece in the Times... poor cowardly dean. I'm not seeing the leadership there, frankly. Guess the UW COE and SPS have something in common.<br /><br />-CTCTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-54365096961108851842011-07-09T20:18:39.780-07:002011-07-09T20:18:39.780-07:00CT,
I agree. I like this John guy very much. Bu...CT,<br /><br />I agree. I like this John guy very much. But I like this student, Mya, even more. Talk about what a TFA wuss should aspire to be! This young lady is passionate about her community and was kicking Tom's ass up and down the block at the student meeting. Can you tell from this email he's afraid of her? : )<br /><br /><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/59695975/I-Have-Your-Back" rel="nofollow">Cover me from behind</a>StopTFAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08605108615707039386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-2734518962523178392011-07-09T19:48:36.182-07:002011-07-09T19:48:36.182-07:00Ct: Yes, isn't that quite a letter.
Remember...Ct: Yes, isn't that quite a letter. <br /><br />Remember TfA is all about creating LEADERS. Reading that email shows exactly how little Stritikus has learned about leadership.Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42239457284162297642011-07-09T19:05:02.136-07:002011-07-09T19:05:02.136-07:00Interesting stuff, StopTFA. Bransford is a well-r...Interesting stuff, StopTFA. Bransford is a well-regarded prof with a strong research background and numerous publications/books to his name. He is worth much more to UW than Stritikus; they'd be wise to listen to his concerns. I'm glad to see that not all of the COE faculty have drunk the TFA kool-aid and stepped onto Stritikus' slime trail. <br /><br />-CTCTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16761275173168860132011-07-09T00:59:18.629-07:002011-07-09T00:59:18.629-07:00Note the date on the above link about "seriou...Note the date on the above link about "<b><i>serious reservations</i></b>" was mid-May 2011 ... If you went to the July 7 PESB meeting, you would have noticed the UW remains confused and unable to answer questions.<br />Visions. hopes, and anecdotes should not pass for substantive answers (Guess they did for PESB members when it came time to vote. Do these people have any idea the demographics of the five schools these TfA 5-week wonders will be placed into?)<br /><br />It is beyond my understanding how PESB members could have read the WAC, listened to the UW presentation, and then approved this TfA program.<br /><br />I wonder what the Seattle School Board thought they were approving back in November 2010?<br /><br />Clearly Harium is still all for TfA on the ridiculous assumption that this will broaden the candidate pool.<br /><br />Months ago Harium stated that if this TfA approval helped even one child it would be worthwhile ... odd as it is bound to screw-up a large number of students.<br /><br />Anyway we shall see how many of these TfAers get hired. Three of my four sons had problems with dyslexia ... if any of my kids had been placed into a TfA class ... I would likely be extremely displeased with the district. (Oh right I forgot -- I am white and not in a situation where poverty is an issue -- so my kids likely would not have been in a school that gets TfA newbies.)<br /><br />As our four directors up for reelection Carr, Harium M-M, Sundquist, and Maier approved this TfA action... how can anyone be voting for any of those four?<br /><br />Now that Mr. Tolley has pretty much cleared out all the teachers at RBHS it will be interesting to see how many TfAers are hired there.<br /><br />Keep in mind that Susan Enfield initially rejected Mr. Chappelle as RBHS principal, even though he was the strongest candidate by far according to the RBHS community involved in the selection. It will be interesting to see how many TfAers are hired at RBHS.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-55910442887181964992011-07-08T23:35:30.429-07:002011-07-08T23:35:30.429-07:00Not ALL the professors at COE welcome TFA.
Seriou...Not ALL the professors at COE welcome TFA.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/59662169/Serious-Reservations-by-Faculty" rel="nofollow">Serious Reservations</a>StopTFAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08605108615707039386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-14329244511899694012011-07-08T20:55:00.209-07:002011-07-08T20:55:00.209-07:00Peonypower said about TfA:
"It is a slap in ...Peonypower said about TfA:<br /><br />"<b><i>It is a slap in the face to SPS teachers. Disgruntled does begin to describe how it makes me feel.</i></b>"<br /><br />That PESB TfA decision, right on top of the NEA Chicago action of "we reject the leadership provided by Arne Duncan" ... and then NEA endorsing Pres. Obama for president in Campaign 2012. <br /><br />This is totally NEA lackey BS ... NEA gets member bucks and then ... produces complete political BS.<br /><br /><b><i>Both Major Political Parties are so monstrously clueless about public education to endorse a candidate from either party seems absurd.</i></b> Has the NEA even noticed?<br /><br />Note Republican Romney is the only candidate who has expressed opposition to the Common Core State Standards ... Obama is 100% behind Common Core.<br /><br />Neither Romney nor Obama is likely to get a donation from me.<br /><br />Having devoted almost my entire working life to teaching ... I am totally disgusted and may feel even worse than PeonyPower. The SEA, WEA, and NEA are about as near to worthless as any unions ever. Then the media will tell use how powerful these three unions are ..... If they had any power wouldn't they do something positive for their members?<br /><br />If they are doing anything positive to improve the political climate... I have missed it.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-7777208862746221782011-07-08T20:39:07.896-07:002011-07-08T20:39:07.896-07:00So does the current system that approved TfA vio...<b>So does the current system that approved TfA violate article IX of the WA State Constitution?</b><br /><br />Free & reduced meal % followed by white %<br /><br /> : 93.6 -- 8.5 : Bailey Gatzert<br /> : 82.3 -- 4.1 : Aki Kurose<br /> : 73.2 -- 9.4 : RBHS<br /> : 84.8 -- 7.0 : Hawthorne <br /> : 74.1 -- 13.7 : Madrona K-8 <br /><br />: 42.4 -- 44.1 : District averages<br /><br />Putting TfAers with 5-weeks training into the above five schools certainly fits the definition of "Separate and Unequal" pretty darn well ... <br /><br />hummm WWTMD<br /><br />What Would Thurgood Marshall Do?<br /><br />So could someone please tell me the NSAP "every school a quality school" fairytale again.<br /><br />Steve Sundquist advertises the NSAP as a success that came about under his leadership as a director. Same with his twin Peter Maier I believe.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-66825908570714054892011-07-08T19:43:15.044-07:002011-07-08T19:43:15.044-07:00Well, according to Susan Enfield (and if we were r...Well, according to Susan Enfield (and if we were really gullible), they could go to any school. Presumably, the only schools these inexperienced untrained people will work in are those with weak building hiring teams and/or tyrannical principals who force them down the throat of their staff.<br /><br />The UW's TFA proposal listed Bailey Gatzert, Aki Kurose, RBHS, Hawthorne and Madrona K-8. I doubt they'll be hired at McGilvra, Eckstein, or Schmitz Park. When pigs fly.StopTFAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08605108615707039386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91603644698401101482011-07-08T19:42:37.577-07:002011-07-08T19:42:37.577-07:00re: West Seattle NSAP:
This is a joke: "Stev...re: West Seattle NSAP:<br /><br />This is a joke: "Steve had said the plan would honor historical pathways." <br /><br />The NSAP completely destroyed "historical" pathways. Instead of West Seattle Elementary schools being at the "heart" of their neighborhoods, at least 4 out of the ten remaining elementary schools in West Seattle now exclude families who live only a mere few blocks away from their "historical" school. Sick sick sick.wsnorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795943009142572757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-47004182343172411672011-07-08T19:40:04.032-07:002011-07-08T19:40:04.032-07:00HECB- maybe that is the ticket, but given how the ...HECB- maybe that is the ticket, but given how the PESB rubber stamped the UW proposal I'm not sure it would help. The whole thing stinks like the 30 pounds of old frozen fish my neighbors left in their yard waste for a week. I wish I had gone on Wednesday but I was down with a summer cold. It is a slap in the face to SPS teachers. Disgruntled does begin to describe how it makes me feel.peonypowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17509224675997284520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50138591886185053822011-07-08T19:24:32.729-07:002011-07-08T19:24:32.729-07:00The testimony about the Native American program wa...The testimony about the Native American program was deeply concerning. The Board is going to have to review that and soon.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82052013426113695722011-07-08T18:26:02.210-07:002011-07-08T18:26:02.210-07:00Is there a list of schools that are TFA eligible?
...Is there a list of schools that are TFA eligible?<br /><br />CC momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28331795520064617212011-07-08T15:58:45.173-07:002011-07-08T15:58:45.173-07:00SE's salary funded out of the budget line for ...<i>SE's salary funded out of the budget line for the Sup. Her old salary as CAO is funding CT's new position. New Director of C&I will presumably be paid out of the salary line from CT's old position.</i><br /><br />What happens if the Board decides to hire someone other than Enfield -- does Enfield then not have a job to go back to?Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16260807460417787614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43303562323195239762011-07-08T15:13:17.797-07:002011-07-08T15:13:17.797-07:00I like how Dean Stritikus has some "splainin&...I like how Dean Stritikus has some <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/59633455" rel="nofollow">"splainin'"</a>" to do.StopTFAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08605108615707039386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87782867850956870292011-07-08T15:04:11.118-07:002011-07-08T15:04:11.118-07:00Any disgruntled teachers out there?Any <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/59633091" rel="nofollow">disgruntled</a> teachers out there?StopTFAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08605108615707039386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31549846843658163062011-07-08T14:19:31.527-07:002011-07-08T14:19:31.527-07:00"The Superintendent did some updates on accom..."The Superintendent did some updates on accomplishments by staff and students but oddly, there was no mention of the new director of curriculum and instruction. (As it turns out, this person is not replacing Cathie Thompson but will work under her. Where did we get the money for this?)"<br /><br />SE's salary funded out of the budget line for the Sup. Her old salary as CAO is funding CT's new position. New Director of C&I will presumably be paid out of the salary line from CT's old position. Ironically, probably an over all decrease on spending in these three positions given that SE's salary is less than what MGJ was being paid, and (*I think*) CT is making less than what SE was as CAO.AEICnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48219247692277678492011-07-08T13:26:39.988-07:002011-07-08T13:26:39.988-07:00Melissa -
RE: tuition vs. program fees for TfA a...Melissa -<br /><br />RE: tuition vs. program fees for TfA at the UW<br /><br />This is a bit of a semantics issue. I work at the UW, and I work directly with these issues in my position.<br /><br />There are some academic programs at the UW that are "state-funded" and in which students pay "tuition", which is regulated in some way by the state. There are other academic programs at the UW that are "self-sustaining" and not supported in any measure by state funds. In those, students pay "program fees" and all the fees go toward paying the expenses of the program - instruction, lab, etc. They sustain the program. Many of these programs are geared toward working professionals who are doing the programs in the evenings, after full-time work, or on some other altered-type of schedule/deliver model (e.g., distance learning).<br /><br />Self-sustaining programs (also known as "fee-based programs" in many circles) are one of the only ways these days in which new academic programs and/or pathways are created at the UW given that there's been no state support for new endeavors.<br /><br />The UW Educational Outreach arm generally provides the administrative backbone (fee collection, budget management, etc.) for most (but not all) of these self-sustaining programs.<br /><br />The reality, though, is that people at the UW - at all levels, from students through to the faculty and administrators - use the term "tuition" on a daily basis to refer to all costs of enrolling in any kind of academic program. Even the programs themselves will use that term when really the UWEO administrative arm will call them "program fees." Tuition is what we all know in higher education, it is the common term, it's what students are used to hearing (especially if they've already gone to college) and very few get bother to get the wording right.<br /><br />Maybe a different question to ask would be "are any state funds being used to support this program?" Especially since state funds have been slashed so tremendously over the last several years. And especially since that might mean taking away valuable funding from the regular, state-funded, master's in teaching (MIT) program.<br /><br />I'd be happy to talk to you more about these issues.<br /><br />--Works at the UW (& SPS parent)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19150012112906213502011-07-08T12:43:56.337-07:002011-07-08T12:43:56.337-07:00Dear Carol S,
Here is my guess. It is a policy d...Dear Carol S,<br /><br />Here is my guess. It is a policy decision. I think that a vote is either a yes or a no on the policy as proposed.<br /><br />If a revision is to be made, the vote needs to be a NO. Then the revision is made. When the new version comes back. Then it could be approved or not.<br /><br />I would say a yes vote is a yes vote for what was presented without any modifications.<br /><br />.... perhaps someone who knows more than I on this issue could chime in.<br /><br />-- Dandan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40033117870587077192011-07-08T12:38:22.678-07:002011-07-08T12:38:22.678-07:00A few thoughts and a question:
Betty asked anothe...A few thoughts and a question:<br /><br /><i>Betty asked another classic Betty-blunt question: she asked <b>why are we targeting low-income minority schools for 5-week teachers? </b> She said she wanted "qualified" teachers in those classrooms.</i><br /><br />At the PESB yesterday, the UW stated that this TfA program is much more than 5-weeks of training.... they explained about what takes place after the start of school and what will happen over the two years.<br /><br />Betty's question is of particular importance in regard to the first quarter of a TfA candidates classroom teaching ... before they have received all the additional training. ... In other alternative pathways to certification the candidate receives certification after completing the training. TfA receives certification before the completion of training (five-weeks) is good enough. It seems that Charlie is correct these TfA folks are treated as "special people". From UW comments yesterday TfAers learn faster than others. Thus Betty should feel fortunate and comfortable as should all parents that Elite Super people have deigned to teach Seattle children.<br />----<br /><br /><i>Susan Enfield addressed that, saying that <b>TFA has a clear mission to teach in high-needs schools</b>. She also said the <b>TFA recruits could go to any building in the district. </b></i><br /><br />So Susan Enfield thinks that TfA would do the opposite of their clear mission. <br />----<br /><br /> Here is where I need the help.<br /><br /><b>Didn't at some point the district name the schools most likely to receive TfA candidates? </b><br /> Please help me out ... after the PESB UW presentation and Susan Enfield I am sinking in total BS.<br />----<br /><br /><i>I sense some worry over this decision. I'd be worried, too, if I were a Board member.</i><br /><br /> <b>NO WAY ... <i>What Me Worry? </i> <br />This is the Alfred E. Newman Board.</b>dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.com