tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post5866663557638690011..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Tuesday Open ThreadMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-63062536334960178202013-04-02T11:07:10.275-07:002013-04-02T11:07:10.275-07:00Joan,
How does MAP correlate with other test such ...Joan,<br />How does MAP correlate with other test such as MSP, cogATand Iowa Basic skills, WIAT-II.<br /><br />My son was not tested using the MSP and by default because the school needed an assessment for advanced placement the school used cogAt and Iowa Basic skills. We also had a private psychologist test him using the WAIT-II. There was a remarkable discrepecy between the cogAT and Iowa Basic skills, WIAT-II as compared to MAP scores. MAP scores appeared 10 -15%pts lower.<br /><br />My question is..does the MAP correlate with other achievement tests?<br /><br />Thank you for your time. I know the answer to my question could be rather extensive. Please feel free not to answer in layman terms. I can do my own remedial work to figure it out. If not I'll just ask!<br /><br />DeniseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1499159621097725322013-04-02T10:06:40.903-07:002013-04-02T10:06:40.903-07:00So Joan, I am trying to figure out how proficient ...So Joan, I am trying to figure out how proficient my 8th grader is in his algebra class.<br /><br />If I understand correctly the MAP by using adaptive technology attempts to predict the possible grade level achievement. It, of course, never attempts to prove grade level achievement.<br /><br />What is most important for me is the definitive proof of achievement (through formative assessment and placement tests) so I would never assume I had proof by a formula intended to predict.<br /><br />My question is...how efficient is the MAP adaptive technology?<br /><br />DeniseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-2584308361734580302013-03-14T20:39:41.726-07:002013-03-14T20:39:41.726-07:00I agree that there is value in the experience; the...I agree that there is value in the experience; the experience of "that's the breaks!" It is life in the real world.<br /><br />I don't have my child do these things so she wins. I see it as excellent practice of getting up in front of a group of (friendly) judges and doing their best. That lesson alone is worth the money, the time, and everything else. And my child is not crushed if she comes in second or eighth. <i>I</i> know whether she did her best, prepared and practiced. That should be good enough. And no, I'm not talking about getting a medal for showing up and "everyone's exceptional" BS. Just my opinion (like always)mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32431380230284885422013-03-14T14:06:43.281-07:002013-03-14T14:06:43.281-07:00" It is really sad to waste all the money for..." It is really sad to waste all the money for sending the students down there for a day if they don't give some reasonable feedback to all the orchestras."<br /><br />We don't know that reasonable feedback was not given. Some years ago my student was in GHS orchestra. Turns out that two of those years GHS did not win the competition. I never heard any parents complain that the entire day and cost was a waste of money. Sometimes stuff happens, stuff we don't agree with nor like but things don't always work out in a preordained manner or the way we think that they should. Don't diminish the accomplishments of Roosevelt, Kamiak, and GHS. Quite honestly, I teared up when I read that the Roosevelt director gave her baton to the student who'd lead rehearsals in her absence. Bravo to the maestros and especially the student.<br /><br />Former GHS orchestra parent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42683121105526647042013-03-14T13:41:22.182-07:002013-03-14T13:41:22.182-07:00Need to know, When they weight the RHS population...<b>Need to know,</b> When they weight the RHS population for ELL/Sped/FRL, they get 2005. That is greater than the 1700 necessary to qualify for 3 APs. Ballard's weighted population is 1909, so same thing.<br /><br />See <a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/budget/wss/2014/aafteweights14.pdf?sessionid=7d794ad23da2d3774a8ba91bdef6b13b" rel="nofollow">Computation of the AP / Counselor Weighting Factor</a> for weighted population numbers (not the same thing as AAFTE), and <a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/budget/wss/2014/wsschanges14.pdf?sessionid=7d794ad23da2d3774a8ba91bdef6b13b" rel="nofollow">Weighted Staffing Standards Changes FY 2013-2014</a> for the new allocation categories.Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-55958279020451780112013-03-14T08:38:16.099-07:002013-03-14T08:38:16.099-07:00Researching, it's the Broad Foundation.Researching, it's the Broad Foundation.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69714974918524235362013-03-14T08:06:44.258-07:002013-03-14T08:06:44.258-07:00Need a memory jog here. Can someone give me the n...Need a memory jog here. Can someone give me the name of the organization/leadership group that MGJ and a bunch of Seattle principals/admin were coming from a couple of years ago? <br /><br />Thanks,<br />ResearchingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12983391874699104342013-03-14T07:55:29.084-07:002013-03-14T07:55:29.084-07:00Anyone know why Ballard has three APs even though ...Anyone know why Ballard has three APs even though they don't meet the threshold? Or Roosevelt has three APs even though the adjustment for contact time does not meet the threshold?<br /><br />Need to KnowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-75004233837759203382013-03-13T21:07:32.888-07:002013-03-13T21:07:32.888-07:00Yes, the stories all match about the orchestra fes...Yes, the stories all match about the orchestra festival. I heard about the adjudicators tearing up after hearing Garfield's performance of New World Symphony. And I heard about the cases being in the wrong place as the reason they were getting disqualified for not following instructions. It is really sad to waste all the money for sending the students down there for a day if they don't give some reasonable feedback to all the orchestras. I had not heard the scores before. The cost for the schools for the buses, the commitments of all the students from all the schools to get up at the crack of dawn and go to Oregon and back. In return they should get real feedback, not some hokey thing about the cases.NESeattleMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685367298254415469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23541294441803774052013-03-13T20:55:31.826-07:002013-03-13T20:55:31.826-07:00Melissa said: I'm sorry that happened (I agree...Melissa said: <i>I'm sorry that happened (I agree, the performance should be the only factor) but again, we have great bands/orchestras in this district and I applaud them all.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure I agree that the musical performance should be the <i>only</i> factor (see mirmac's note below), though I hope it would be by far the main factor.<br /><br />I'm happy to hear that at least some of the Roosevelt kids were sympathetic to Garfield's situation. Not sure what they could have done about it, but speaking out would have been nice, especially because of how it happened (below).<br /><br /><i>My child's piano adjudications take into account posture, appearance (sunday best) and other things.<br /><br />Her band adjudications do take into account whether everyone has the same uniform, is attentive and orderly etc.<br /><br />It is a bummer but is to be expected...</i><br /><br />Fair enough in those cases, so one can understand a conclusion like that drawn from generalized thinking or incomplete information. However, the results in this case should not have been expected, and shouldn't have happened.<br /><br />The main problem was simply that they didn't do a fair job judging the orchestras. All three orchestras were given 199 points out of 200. I believe one judge gave them all 100/100 points and the other 99/100. Come on! I hope they learn from this in the future, because when you're "too nice", unfair things happen. Garfield was (from what I heard) <i>noticeably</i> better than either of the other orchestras. Their performance made one of the judges cry, or at least brought tears to her eyes, which was acknowledged at the time. The other orchestras were good, but there was a definite pecking order.<br /><br />So they were all tied at 199, right? Yes, except for a misunderstanding about where the instrument cases were supposed to be stored. In previous years they kept instruments in a room that they now say is technically supposed to be an emergency exit. So they asked the Garfield kids to move their cases to another room. Fine so far, right? But there was not enough room to reasonably put <i>all</i> the cases in that room, so a couple (few?) were left in the hallway outside that room. And for that, Garfield was dinged 1 point from their performance. Nothing to do with posture, appearance, uniforms, attentiveness, etc., let alone music.<br /><br />If the performances were fairly graded, then 1 point wouldn't have mattered. As it was, it made enough difference that the best performance was ranked as the worst score.<br /><br />Granted, this isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of orchestral endeavors, and congrats are in order for <i>all</i> the schools, but it's really sad when stuff works out unfairly for kids because of adult foolishness.<br />orchestra parentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59273901186365616902013-03-13T15:59:28.085-07:002013-03-13T15:59:28.085-07:00Is it possible that K-5 STEM at Boren actually has...Is it possible that K-5 STEM at Boren actually has ZERO students that qualify for FRL? Even APP at Lincoln shows THREE.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/cms/pages.phtml?sessionid=628c813f296127488d5b705a06d61d87&pageid=289508&sessionid=628c813f296127488d5b705a06d61d87%22" rel="nofollow">COmputation of Weightling Factors.</a>Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91209529575065073042013-03-13T15:45:18.741-07:002013-03-13T15:45:18.741-07:00curious, Here's the 2013-14 Budget page. Foll...<b>curious,</b> Here's the <a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/cms/pages.phtml?sessionid=628c813f296127488d5b705a06d61d87&pageid=289508&sessionid=628c813f296127488d5b705a06d61d87" rel="nofollow">2013-14 Budget page.</a> Follow the links to find details on the WSS and how it is changing.Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6604024322202934702013-03-13T15:22:36.312-07:002013-03-13T15:22:36.312-07:00Where can i find info on the WSS?
Thanks,
curious...Where can i find info on the WSS? <br />Thanks,<br />curious about WSSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62383740328927796632013-03-13T12:52:55.389-07:002013-03-13T12:52:55.389-07:00My child's piano adjudications take into accou...My child's piano adjudications take into account posture, appearance (sunday best) and other things.<br /><br />Her band adjudications do take into account whether everyone has the same uniform, is attentive and orderly etc.<br /><br />It is a bummer but is to be expected...mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59782394742252963422013-03-13T09:15:45.767-07:002013-03-13T09:15:45.767-07:00JSIS, yes, there are changes to the WSS that are a...JSIS, yes, there are changes to the WSS that are adversely affecting staffing for next year. <br /><br />For example, the threshold for an Assistant Principal has been raised to 600 weighted students at the elementary level next year. I believe the threshold is around 480-500 this year (someone out there can probably confirm or correct that). <br /><br />I don't have other examples, but since the district has a multi-million dollar deficit to make up, it's not suprising. It's not right, but it's not surprising.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777580098975083499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45582023998015814922013-03-13T08:40:52.670-07:002013-03-13T08:40:52.670-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-37844026938641819932013-03-13T08:40:39.936-07:002013-03-13T08:40:39.936-07:00SPS, I heard about this.
d I also heard that Roo...SPS, I heard about this. <br /><br />d I also heard that Roosevelt students discussed on the bus as they were riding home whether they should have said something in defense of Garfield. I'm sorry that happened (I agree, the performance should be the only factor) but again, we have great bands/orchestras in this district and I applaud them all.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-51978442633626025122013-03-13T07:38:36.372-07:002013-03-13T07:38:36.372-07:00At the risk of being a whiny parent, and not to ta...At the risk of being a whiny parent, and not to take anything away from Roosevelt's success at the orchestra festival, but…<br /><br />Our Garfield child reports that points were somewhat arbitrarily deducted from its score in the orchestra competition due to nonmusical factors. Specifically, because some cello and bass cases were left in the wrong place (a hallway), Garfield's score was lowered to the extent that they didn't make the finals. Our child says that there had been a three way tie prior to the final round, and so those points deducted for the misplaced cases turned out to be decisive. <br /><br />It seems crazy and unfortunate to me that the adjudication isn't just based on musicality.<br /><br />Of course, maybe they all sounded good, and so they come up with arbitrary rules just to break a tie.<br /><br /><br />SPS FanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87085953834515912013-03-13T07:32:48.668-07:002013-03-13T07:32:48.668-07:00Is there a new Weighted Staffing Standard for next...Is there a new Weighted Staffing Standard for next year that means a lot of cuts from current staffing? There's a new letter from the JSIS principal re: cuts to positions, but given that the school doesn't seem to be shrinking, I'm unclear as to why the district is making cuts at this time. Is this going to be a problem for a lot of schools?<br /><br />JSIS parentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-70988544481061731822013-03-12T23:10:15.516-07:002013-03-12T23:10:15.516-07:00So I hear that Sara Morris (Alliance for Education...So I hear that Sara Morris (Alliance for Education) will be visiting Broadview Thomson on Friday. Can someone (with more Alliance knowledge than myself) shed light on what the purpose of her visit might be? Is this a precursor to receiving funding? Are these school site visits common? <br /> <br />Left with many questionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-10160369312462046952013-03-12T22:01:09.321-07:002013-03-12T22:01:09.321-07:00"cannot understand the difference between cor...<i>"cannot understand the difference between correlation and causation"</i><br /><br />Wow, that describes our former (very unqualified) head of REA...shoot, what was his name, ex-Broad resident policy guy (no, not Bernatek. The OTHER one).<br /><br />Anyway, re: Pearson. If there is money to be made and markets to monopolize, Pearson is there!mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-39153662353631376672013-03-12T19:56:20.297-07:002013-03-12T19:56:20.297-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41440863103823354932013-03-12T19:53:54.618-07:002013-03-12T19:53:54.618-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58527210683994045682013-03-12T19:50:52.318-07:002013-03-12T19:50:52.318-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-89832962101521375912013-03-12T19:49:05.608-07:002013-03-12T19:49:05.608-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com