tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post6845145916452894192..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Seattle Schools 2015 October Enrollment NumbersMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53875700332905910102015-10-21T08:53:02.876-07:002015-10-21T08:53:02.876-07:00Yes! Clearly only HCC students deserve to be "...Yes! Clearly only HCC students deserve to be "cast out" of their school and relocated to a "low quality building", right? A geo-split is clearly "not an appropriate way to start a new school"...unless were talking about HCC students, of course. Geo-splits and crappy buildings are fine for THOSE kids!<br /><br />DisAPPointed<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87141698275308834562015-10-20T10:23:15.811-07:002015-10-20T10:23:15.811-07:00@OH
I am similarly sickened by the plan to geo-sp...@OH<br /><br />I am similarly sickened by the plan to geo-split students and families from John Rogers, some of whom have been a part of the John Rogers community since their child was a kindergartner in 2012. I don't remember hearing anything about using a geo-split for Cedar Park during the Growth Boundaries discussions. It is not an appropriate way to start a new school, and certainly not appropriate for ELL students and students living in poverty.<br /><br />- North-end Mom<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73349227442916514202015-10-17T20:37:17.996-07:002015-10-17T20:37:17.996-07:00I am absolutely appalled by the idea that our kids...I am absolutely appalled by the idea that our kids at Olympic Hills, who have gone through so much in their lives, may be cast out of their new Olympic Hills school to make room for kids who overwhelmingly come from far more advantaged backgrounds, the possible takeover by the talented and gifted program. AND the vast majority of OH English learners and students below the poverty line sent to Cedar Park. There is only 1 bathroom for boys and 1 for girls in the whole Cedar Park school. It was a great artists colony but so many ways it doesn't work as a school. Now it will be overcrowded right away, with all high poverty kids slammed into a low quality building while more well-to-do kids from all over the north end get the new school with a health center that was designed for OH kids? This is so wrong it makes my stomach turn. What an example of institutional racism. I'm simply speechless as I read this all, yet it makes perfect sense. <br /><br />OH Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-75081679399266577122015-10-17T16:02:54.982-07:002015-10-17T16:02:54.982-07:00Put APP at Cedar Park and leave Olympic Hills kids...Put APP at Cedar Park and leave Olympic Hills kids where they are. Twisternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30977383102179180612015-10-17T13:59:27.831-07:002015-10-17T13:59:27.831-07:00Another reason for app to get slotted in the Decat...Another reason for app to get slotted in the Decatur building. I would trade stability and a smaller school for a shiny new building a thousand times over. Bonus if we draw 1% less optics ire.<br /><br />But isn't oly hills supposed to grow quickly anyway? So this would immediately become a problem?<br /><br />-sleeperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4078059235464691522015-10-17T13:53:40.553-07:002015-10-17T13:53:40.553-07:00Melissa - true, but by then Sharon Peaslee will be...Melissa - true, but by then Sharon Peaslee will be long gone, and she won't have to deal with the repercussions, or be there to take responsibility for what she pushed so hard for during Growth Boundaries (APP/HCC at Olympic Hills). <br /><br />It is so NOT COOL to geo-split kids out of their established school community to make room for HCC kids!<br /><br />-reality checkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40109648175071427282015-10-17T12:42:54.971-07:002015-10-17T12:42:54.971-07:00I agree with Lynn and think that using historic gr...I agree with Lynn and think that using historic growth rates for APP are resulting in projections that are too high. In addition to the increase that happened when APP was located at Lincoln and Hamilton, there's also been a bump after the dismantling of Spectrum. However, now that Spectrum is mostly gone and many of those kids are now at APP, I think that the growth rate will level off.<br /><br />JaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48133928006438839072015-10-16T19:15:56.797-07:002015-10-16T19:15:56.797-07:00Reality Check, I think you are right. Not going to...Reality Check, I think you are right. Not going to look good when it comes out that APP kids are going to two new buildings.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-46678291635886999252015-10-16T17:13:00.187-07:002015-10-16T17:13:00.187-07:00@Jane
Given that they are booting Olympic Hills k...@Jane<br /><br />Given that they are booting Olympic Hills kids out of Olympic Hills (geo-spliting them to Cedar Park), and leaving 300+ empty seats in the shiny new Olympic Hills building, my guess is that is where the "extra" Cascadia kids are landing.<br /><br />-reality checkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-78770642749013437862015-10-16T15:50:05.574-07:002015-10-16T15:50:05.574-07:00So according to the shiny new projections, Garfiel...So according to the shiny new projections, Garfield will go from being 32% "APP" this year, to 60% "APP" in 2019!<br /><br />I found it interesting that the 5-yr projections also include separate breakout for "APP." Has that always been the case, or is this their way of acknowledging that yes, HC students will be the moveable widgets for capacity balancing?<br /><br />HFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-61896395128160079212015-10-16T15:47:48.397-07:002015-10-16T15:47:48.397-07:00I think the answer is in the assumptions used when...I think the answer is in the assumptions used when the projections were created. Here's what the report said:<br /><br /><i>For Highly Capable Cohort (HCC, formerly APP): These rates are calculated by historic<br />growth rate, and removing these students from their attendance area schools. Non- residents entering have been removed from 6th grade AA school, where they would have otherwise enrolled; however, non-residents at grades 1 through 5 entering HCC would not, as these students would not be assigned to their attendance area school before switching programs.</i><br /><br />They are not taking into account that tremendous growth occurred in north end APP when the program was located at Lincoln and HIMS. This happened because families were more willing to move their children to the program when it became a little closer to home. I think that growth rate will not continue - it's not like there's an endless supply of highly capable children in the city.Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29471465356696524712015-10-16T15:14:02.844-07:002015-10-16T15:14:02.844-07:00Same question as OMG - the projections show Garfie...Same question as OMG - the projections show Garfield adding 916 APP kids (while Ingraham adds 70). I know APP is growing - but the projections have the high school APP population going from 834 in 2015 to 1,820 in 2019. In other words, they are projecting the high school APP population will more than double in just 4 years. That seems very odd.<br /><br />JaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23018561822902423682015-10-16T15:05:16.842-07:002015-10-16T15:05:16.842-07:00I don't understand the projections for Cascadi...I don't understand the projections for Cascadia Elementary to grow to 912 kids given that the new elementary school SPS is building only has a capacity of around 600 - 650. I assume that the District is planning on splitting APP elementary in the north end? Which I'm not necessarily against - it would just be nice to know who would be split off and where they would go.<br /><br />JaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90789943272455635792015-10-16T14:03:58.326-07:002015-10-16T14:03:58.326-07:00Am I reading this right? Garfield will gain almos...Am I reading this right? Garfield will gain almost a thousand more students over the next 5 years? That's almost like adding another high school. Isn't Garfield already at full capacity?<br /><br />OMGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12131362662913387152015-10-16T12:38:54.706-07:002015-10-16T12:38:54.706-07:00No freaking clue, Lynn! But isn't it sad that ...No freaking clue, Lynn! But isn't it sad that people think they ARE secretly planning? That they are not engaging those likely to be seriously impacted by the apparent lack of good options? <br /><br />Or if they aren't secretly planning, then why aren't they planning? The warning sirens are blaring! Time to get moving!<br /><br />HFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31194594256120009322015-10-16T10:19:11.210-07:002015-10-16T10:19:11.210-07:00HF,
What do you think would work? What do you thi...HF,<br /><br />What do you think would work? What do you think the district is (secretly) planning?Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88213024954926727522015-10-16T09:08:05.051-07:002015-10-16T09:08:05.051-07:00If they were to move a subgroup of students to a t...If they were to move a subgroup of students to a temporary site, that would likely impact access to a full range of courses, too. <br /><br />HFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-66659867512010932852015-10-16T08:06:57.557-07:002015-10-16T08:06:57.557-07:00HF,
I don't know. Will they be served appropr...HF,<br /><br />I don't know. Will they be served appropriately in our current schools with double shifts? That will limit access to classes for which only one section is offered (so high level world languages, music, theatre and some math and science courses) and require some students to attend school at times that make it very difficult for them to learn. It sounds like you think this would be preferable to inadequate facilities. I am just wondering what the solutions could be. Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59401993084359595862015-10-16T07:53:37.772-07:002015-10-16T07:53:37.772-07:00"Space...to hold kids until Lincoln reopens.....<i>"Space...to hold kids until Lincoln reopens..."</i><br /><br />As opposed to a space that actually functions efficiently as a high school? Lovely. <br /><br />But I'm not seeing how it would work... Who would they warehouse, and how could they serve them appropriately?<br /><br />HFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31541503508384838312015-10-15T22:40:04.572-07:002015-10-15T22:40:04.572-07:00@ North by NW
Yes, I am being generous with how I...@ North by NW<br /><br />Yes, I am being generous with how I characterize his remarks about the movability of the HCC "program." But their actions speak for themselves anyway.<br /><br />I thought they were being pretty hasty to assure Whitman families that they could opt to stay at Whitman at that point anyway. (And it was obvious that they were not in a position to extend the same courtesy to Hamilton families, given the capacity issues there.) Nothing like making a promise and then having to rescind it.<br /><br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91715465145677515032015-10-15T22:22:05.247-07:002015-10-15T22:22:05.247-07:00Actually ... above comment is probably inaccurate ...Actually ... above comment is probably inaccurate because in reality ... who gets messed with more than HCC? Who KNOWS what the "plan" is for Eagle Staff ... certainly not the district.<br /><br />North by NWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-37415669925605085482015-10-15T22:16:39.325-07:002015-10-15T22:16:39.325-07:00@ Lisa
I think they're willing to let student...@ Lisa<br /><br />I think they're willing to let students stay at Whitman b/c Eagle Staff will be packed out with the HCC program - which grows every year - from the get go. I guessing they would "let" Gen-Ed kids stay at Hamilton???<br /><br />Eagle Staff projections - as presented - are bogus!<br /><br />North by NWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88444177674542986312015-10-15T21:58:44.926-07:002015-10-15T21:58:44.926-07:00Looking at the high school projections, it appears...Looking at the high school projections, it appears the district expects Rainier Beach will always have 500 or so empty seats. Utilizing those will be necessary soon. Any predictions on how that will happen?Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87798297937845789012015-10-15T21:41:42.805-07:002015-10-15T21:41:42.805-07:00A 200 student wing (8 classrooms I believe) was ad...A 200 student wing (8 classrooms I believe) was added to the Mann building in it's recent renovation. NOVA has planned to add a middle school program - it was included in their Creative Approach application. As that has not materialized, and enrollment at NOVA has not increased to fill those rooms, there is an opportunity to use them for Garfield overflow. I think it would be possible to schedule some classes there for a few years until new high schools come online. <br /><br />Could space be leased somewhere to hold kids until Lincoln reopens and a new wing at Ingraham is built?Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-10210632176030732015-10-15T21:23:47.917-07:002015-10-15T21:23:47.917-07:00North by NW -- actually Hamilton families did not ...North by NW -- actually Hamilton families did not receive that assurance from the District, although I recall that it was on the Whitman website as promised by the District. At the time I was on the PTA board of Hamilton and so I asked Flip Herndon about the matter specifically. He said that the District always wants to offer kids the opportunity to stay at the school where they start, and he felt confident that the new school would fill with people who would want to be there. He then said that because APP is a program, it could be subject to movement and was a different case.<br /><br />I did look at the Whitman website yesterday (because I had the same question you did) and I guess that text is gone along with everything that was on the old site.<br /><br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com