tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post6911360798760027928..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Teacher Evaluation Bill in Trouble in Legislature?Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44963894069997465122014-03-08T12:20:44.818-08:002014-03-08T12:20:44.818-08:00swk,
It seemed pretty clear to me from the contex...swk,<br /><br />It seemed pretty clear to me from the context what CT meant.<br /><br />BTW, the tests can measure what the students know while at the same time not measuring teacher quality. <br /><br />I don't take CT's animus as "snark" but as an attacked person, a teacher, trying to deal with the onslaught of daily attacks through the armour of information. Believe me, it gets old.<br /><br />--enough alreadyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3140068109496600602014-03-08T10:15:15.626-08:002014-03-08T10:15:15.626-08:00Wow, CT, that was some heavy duty snark you just b...Wow, CT, that was some heavy duty snark you just blasted at me. Did you mean to suggest that I should get some "mind reading glasses"? I put your statement in quotation marks in my previous post --- I took your statement verbatim. Was I supposed to know it was a TYPO? And you'll have to forgive me for not thinking it was a typo, when you posted this statement on 3/4/14 - "Assumption 1) the test is a valid and reliable judge of student knowledge. False."<br /><br />And if YOU read my statement above closely, you'll see nothing in it supporting the use of student test scores in teacher evaluation. But, again, I will challenge you on the validity and reliability of the state tests in judging student knowledge of the state content standards --- the EALRs and GLEs.<br /><br />--- swkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50566118406942900432014-03-07T17:43:39.859-08:002014-03-07T17:43:39.859-08:00Ah swk - seems I need the reading glasses too when...Ah swk - seems I need the reading glasses too when typing on the iPad - I see the ONE spot above where I mistyped student quality rather than teacher quality. That was a TYPO. <br />Student test scores are not a reliable measure of TEACHER quality and there is absolutely no PEER REVIEWED research to show that they are. Student test scores are most closely correlated to income levels, not teacher quality. <br /><br />CTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22523827943163975322014-03-07T17:28:35.439-08:002014-03-07T17:28:35.439-08:00swk -
TEACHER quality, not student quality is wha...swk - <br />TEACHER quality, not student quality is what I said. Look again. Furthermore, using the student tests to judge teacher quality is not what they were designed for, thus the validity of the test is further compromised FOR THAT PURPOSE. <br />Follow that up with the fact that the SBAC isn't even done, hasn't been fully tested (no history of reliability or validity), and we have no idea how kids will do on it, but it's OK to make that a major part of teacher evals? That's a recipe for disaster. <br /><br />And if you want me to respost links from a previous post, fine. But for now, start here:<br />http://www.fairtest.org/why-teacher-evaluation-shouldn’t-rest-student-test<br /><br />I also have large stacks of peer reviewed research articles on teacher evaluation, test construction, assessment, high-stakes testing, all in .pdf fomat or print versions that I am more an happy to disseminate to you in some manner. If you have access to a database you can do your own searches - look for research by Marilyn Cochran-Smith, David Berliner, Gene Glass, Gerald Bracey, Bebell & O'Dwyer, Linda McNeil, Linda Darling-Hammond, Shulman - just to name a few. They've all written extensively on issues around teacher evals, student assessment, international test crapola, pedagogy and content knowledge, etc. <br /><br />Cheers to reading glasses! <br />CTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27466457131605362862014-03-07T08:48:44.249-08:002014-03-07T08:48:44.249-08:00CT, the other day I let your statement regarding t...CT, the other day I let your statement regarding the validity and reliability of student tests go by --- today, I'm going to challenge you. Your statement above --- "absolutely no research showing student test scores are a reliable measure of student quality" --- is simply false. Since I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "student quality," I'm going to make some general statements regarding student performance.<br /><br />Let me begin by making a qualification: The whole of a student's knowledge CANNOT be measured on standardized tests. In other words, no single test can measure all that a student knows. Furthermore, no single test SHOULD be used as a sole indicator of student performance and, therefore, no single test should be used to evaluate teacher performance.<br /><br />But to claim as you have that there is no research that supports the validity and reliability of standardized tests is simply false. Here in Washington, the state tests MUST demonstrate their validity and reliability in assessing student performance against the EALRS and GLEs. The state tests have been shown, through research, to be valid and reliable measures of student understanding of the state content standards.<br /><br />--- swkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-7474875507337192962014-03-06T21:51:16.624-08:002014-03-06T21:51:16.624-08:00WA State has been spared some of the things that a... WA State has been spared some of the things that are hitting the fan elsewhere, but now it's our turn.<br /><br />CT, this is precisely what I learned from going to the NPE conference. Other parents in other states are truly suffering (for their children). I hope we can be the smart state that we are and keep this to a minimum.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3981331350223907302014-03-06T19:59:03.147-08:002014-03-06T19:59:03.147-08:00True. So much for standing up for the little guy....True. So much for standing up for the little guy. Ksharma Sawant has done a better job of that than Inslee<br /><br />Perhaps the biggest issue is that the required test that will be added to teacher evaluations is the SBAC - which is slated to have how many kids fail? This test has never been tested, isn't even really DONE yet, but it's OK to use that as another cudgel in the teacher-bash. Delightful. <br />What's sad is that many people think this is OK. WA State has been spared some of the things that are hitting the fan elsewhere, but now it's our turn. We've now got charters and will get to deal with all their accompanying fraud and mess, and now that the gov has sold out teachers, WA State officially joins the true high-stakes testing fiasco. Vermont is looking pretty damn good about now. <br /><br />CT<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-631430254397844342014-03-06T17:27:44.058-08:002014-03-06T17:27:44.058-08:00Sorry, make that 28,000 machinists.Sorry, make that 28,000 machinists.Kathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-37824126678246071372014-03-06T17:27:01.497-08:002014-03-06T17:27:01.497-08:00I agree that Inslee should grow a spine, but don&#...I agree that Inslee should grow a spine, but don't count on Inslee or Murray. Both of these individuals helped push 20,000 machinists under the bus..when Boeing has $440B worth of planes to build.<br /><br />Inslee also gave the biggest tax break in history to Boeing- $8.7B. The deal was shrouded in secrecy and pushed through the legislature in 3 days. I don't have a lot of trust or respect for Inslee and Murray.Kathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59203901257291808332014-03-06T17:06:10.537-08:002014-03-06T17:06:10.537-08:00Good - I'm glad to see there is some resistanc...Good - I'm glad to see there is some resistance. The teacher eval bills are all terrible. Tying teacher evals to student test scores will narrow the curriculum even further, make it harder to staff low income schools, encourage more test prep, and send more good teachers out of the profession. Teachers of high scoring kids (i.e. APP, Spectrum) will find themselves rated poorly because their kids won't show as much - if any - growth on standardized tests where many of them already achieve the maximum score. Divisions among staff will occur as the perception of - or reality of - unfairly balanced classes result in lower evaluations due to test scores. Grade inflation at the MS and HS level will occur more as students can hold teachers hostage - if you don't pass me, I'll bomb this test so you get a bad evaluation. <br />And, at a time when teachers need to be working together more than, evaluating teachers with student test scores pits them against each other. <br />Then there's also the fact that student test scores are most closely correlated with income, not teacher quality, and topped off with the minor detail of absolutely no research showing student test scores are a reliable measure of student quality, and you've got a huge mess. Not to mention the encroachment of the Feds into state educational policy....<br />All of the teacher eval bills should go down in flames, and Inslee should grow a spine and tell Arne Duncan where to stick it. He should start by talking to Patty Murray, who will soon control the purse strings for the Dept of Ed. <br /><br />CTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32887147265030632362014-03-06T16:53:04.924-08:002014-03-06T16:53:04.924-08:00The Senate has already voted NO on the teacher eva...The Senate has already voted NO on the teacher evaluation bill. It is time for Inslee to respect the will of the people and push funding over poor policy. I'm finding Inslee likes to push initiatives from the top 1% and ignore the masses.<br /><br /><br /><br />Kathynoreply@blogger.com