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Melissa, you attended a portion of that conference. Will you report on the portion you heard? Another white person at the meeting took notes throughout the meeting. if that person supplies his notes, would you publish them on your blog?<br /><br />I found the presentations at the press conference remarkable, and worthy of summary here. Unfortunately, I did not take notes so cannot provide an adequate review myself.<br /><br />Bystander<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-33959770036130581202013-10-31T09:35:14.508-07:002013-10-31T09:35:14.508-07:00Funny how if you are not good with something - cha...Funny how if you are not good with something - charters, Mann building, etc. - you're "fearful." I never said I was afraid of anything. I said, given the rhetoric, that I didn't see a good outcome but do I "fear" any part of this?<br /><br />I do not.<br /><br />I didn't know that More4Mann wouldn't leave if police came. That's not passive-aggressive - that is based on Julia Ismael saying - at both the Taskforce meeting I attended and on this blog - that it was wrong to think anyone wouldn't leave or would refuse to leave quietly. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30753356285833064432013-10-31T08:25:44.483-07:002013-10-31T08:25:44.483-07:00What's next are black children so hated that S...What's next are black children so hated that SPS or the forces against the education and well being of these children going to send the disruption to HORACE MANN BUILDING to justified the police presence needed against a community just working to save their own children. Perhaps this will happen today, tomorrow, next week for surely it appears there is a fraction of whites in Seattle deeply disturbed about black parents, community members, black educators, and the very children themselves working to correcting the wrongs of SPS Board, Administrators, principals, teachers, etc. who were mandated by State and Federal Law to give these children an Equal Educational Opportunity!yourefirednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48975534555339553152013-10-31T07:58:18.052-07:002013-10-31T07:58:18.052-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57692232512095523642013-10-30T23:44:08.882-07:002013-10-30T23:44:08.882-07:00mamos206 -- first, I consider myself a liberal but...mamos206 -- first, I consider myself a liberal but I don't seem to fit your description of how liberals think as far as being worried about legalities and being fearful of things that are not in control. To me that seems more in line with a conservative way of thinking. I'll be turning that one over in my mind for a while. <br /><br />But in any case, you just put your finger on something I was thinking -- which is that one reason the district is not using "law and order" as a tactic is because they know what the optics would look like, especially in a school district already under fire for disproportionate discipline against black students and in a city where the police department is under Justice Dept. oversight for racially biased policing. The best case scenario would have police in riot gear physically removing people from the building, and that's bad enough from a PR standpoint.<br /><br />Melissa, you seem to be suggesting that police brutality or any kind of violent confrontation would only happen if it's provoked by the M4M people. You said, "Why would asking people to vacate a building that they are illegally in lead to violence?" That's an almost unbelievably naive -- or more likely passive-aggressive -- question. How about the students at UC-Davis? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gim_pqUAKcc Cops in riot gear order peaceful students to leave, they refuse, then get maced, thrown on the ground, dragged away, etc. That's only one out of countless examples of the same dynamic. And I do think the district knows that police brutality would be a very real, very possible result of them trying to force M4M out with the help of the PD, and it's not M4M that would end up looking bad for it. I think they'd rather tippy-toe through it, putting up with citizens' requests for public disclosures and complaints to the state auditor, than risk that kind of bad PR. One ends up discussed on blogs and maybe gets a small mention in the Times, the other ends up on the front page and makes news across the nation.<br /><br />~Garfield Mom<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74975323021587655172013-10-30T19:59:10.856-07:002013-10-30T19:59:10.856-07:00Clearly the tail is wagging the dog...only in Seat...Clearly the tail is wagging the dog...only in Seattle does the city council, SPS, and any authority allow unauthorized occupation of public facilities. I am sure everyone is paralyzed by common sense, which no one in SPS has shown evidence of having. As a 30 year resident of Seattle and zero years of having my children attend SPS I am happy with my choices. Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15071099250963740665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-14707341661611863732013-10-30T19:55:07.257-07:002013-10-30T19:55:07.257-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82341301853094266322013-10-30T19:21:47.954-07:002013-10-30T19:21:47.954-07:00First, I have never heard More 4 Mann suggesting a...First, I have never heard More 4 Mann suggesting a school. Ever. So this is news to me.<br /><br />Second, what police brutality? Why would asking people to vacate a building that they are illegally in lead to violence? What's funny is when I suggested it might not be a friendly "ask" if the district asked the police for help, Julia Ismael said - here - that I was the one suggesting any violence could take place and that couldn't happen. Go figure.<br /><br />Third, I support black parents and communities rising up together and bringing about change. That I don't agree with some tactics that Africatown is choosing is not being against Africatown. There's a difference between those two things to me.<br /><br />We have differing ideas about civil disobedience - I don't recall MLK,Jr.'s EVER involving violence on his side's part. <br /><br />Big laugh out loud at the idea the district listens to my suggestions - boy, if only that was true.<br /><br />I note that, once again, no proposal or plan is available nor is any temporary lease agreement. <br /><br />What I dislike is that if I am not on-board with every single idea, I'm against all ideas. Not true. That if you don't agree, you're a racist. Also not true.<br /><br />I (and everyone else) clearly have no power to what the district does or doesn't do so things will play out as they will.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74100743294611666792013-10-30T16:41:13.281-07:002013-10-30T16:41:13.281-07:00Hi Melissa, I criticized your stance on Africatown...Hi Melissa, I criticized your stance on Africatown here: http://creativitynotcontrol.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/note-to-pinehurst-hunker-down-like-africatown/<br /><br />Here is an excerpt: <br /><br />Melissa Westerbrook, over at Save Seattle Schools blog, is no supporter of Africatown. In fact, she seems highly anxious about the fact that Black folks are taking matters into their own hands; she is particularly upset they are refusing to leave the Horace Mann building until the district meets their demands. She seems to suggest this is a threat to law and order and is advising the district to crack down. She doesn’t seem to understand the magnitude of the political controversy that would erupt if the district and/or the mayor order in cops to colonize and displace people from the building. The images of the police brutality involved would quickly spread across the country, mingling with images of Chicago and Philadelphia youth protesting school closures in Black neighborhoods. Melissa chides the district for not asserting proper control of the situation; maybe the district politicians understand better than she does just how angry people are about the current state of our public schools.<br /><br /><br /><br />A liberal is someone who asks the question: “is it legal” instead of ”will it bring us closer to freedom?” By that definition, Melissa is definitely a liberal. I wonder what she thinks of the lunch counter sit-ins of the civil rights movement which straight up broke the law, or the Black Panthers’ Free Breakfast programs which were public resources run by everyday people, not by the state bureaucracy. These sorts of efforts tend to fill liberals with fear because they cannot be controlled. They also send a clear message to everyone in society that direct action gets things done much faster than waiting on lawyers, politicians, or PTSA and union bureaucracies.<br /><br />Melissa seems especially concerned that other people might get the idea that they can just take over schools if the district doesn’t do the right thing fast enough. She writes:<br /><br />I have asked but have not seen any kind of temporary lease agreement (but now, it’s onto public disclosure). What seems to be the case – outwardly – is that the district is allowing whoever to stay in the building - probably for free - until the district finds them another space (I read Columbia Annex).<br /><br />I’m done with asking the Superintendent, the staff and the Board about this. Clearly, no one is in charge.<br /><br />Note to Pinehurst; hunker down and refuse to leave. It seems to work well for others.<br /><br />Maybe Pinehurst folks should take her advice? She probably means it sarcastically, but I think it’s actually a good suggestion, one that might be effective in the current political climate. What if Pinehurst supporters refuse to leave their own school until the district meets their demands AND the demands of the Africa-town Innovation Center? <br /><br />mamos206http://creativitynotcontrol.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/note-to-pinehurst-hunker-down-like-africatown/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-61098307971925273242013-10-30T16:38:13.697-07:002013-10-30T16:38:13.697-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.mamos206http://creativitynotcontrol.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/note-to-pinehurst-hunker-down-like-africatown/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-7493876074900773942013-10-30T15:27:11.451-07:002013-10-30T15:27:11.451-07:00Yes, I'm sure Davis, Wright, and Tremaine are...Yes, I'm sure Davis, Wright, and Tremaine are going to ride up on their pro bono white horse just like they did with their lawsuit against Seattle's use of racial tie breaker. <br /><br />real worldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41215482905737284422013-10-30T11:58:55.674-07:002013-10-30T11:58:55.674-07:00To Charlie Mas,
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What if teachers who want to do the work they're prevented from doing, like writing their own lesson plans, giving their students what they need, doing what was done at The Center School, before one family complained?<br /><br />Instead of holding a building hostage and daring the district to kick them out (because they know the district is vulnerable to many forces that want to displace it, from reformers to for-profits, to More4Mann), if a group that advocates for kids is serious, they'll use any legal means necessary to rally to their cause.<br /><br />Instead of having for-profits take over schools and suck away public funds to starve the mismanagers that take that money right now, turn the law upside down. Have real people, and real teachers, not corporations, take over their schools. Not easy, but entirely possible. <br /><br />That's why I asked, is this action at Mann really for kids who don't have what they need, or is this just another hustle? 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