tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post8029209646017986964..comments2024-03-18T16:51:10.406-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: New York has the Most Segregated Schools in the Nation (and guess where it's the worst?)Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12824493800894449412014-03-30T07:14:24.514-07:002014-03-30T07:14:24.514-07:00The board's vote to sunset out of MS area tran...The board's vote to sunset out of MS area transport will make the segregation here worse.<br />The state will take their transport money away, and then give it back to the charter schools.<br />The board voted against charter schools, but then they take away transport for people who've made choices.<br />Banda came from California where they've had charters for over twenty years.<br />I tend to think he knew that the district would get that transport money back in the form of charter transport.<br />Our housing patterns of long ago are morphing into housing patterns based on what neighborhood school you can afford to live near.<br /><br />A-momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72458740693996289852014-03-29T13:36:47.195-07:002014-03-29T13:36:47.195-07:00Magnet schools is a catch-all term for alternative...Magnet schools is a catch-all term for alternative schools as well as specialized schools for Academically Gifted, Performing Arts and Science.<br /><br />I had a couple high school friends who enrolled in magnet schools just to avoid their neighborhood school which was dangerous enough to have police and metal detectors back in the 1970's. westSeattleStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17240979254572437023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72712243442075156192014-03-29T12:14:40.980-07:002014-03-29T12:14:40.980-07:00Enough Already, great points. Most people did NOT...Enough Already, great points. Most people did NOT realize what the Court had really said - that the district couldn't use THEIR tiebreaker, not that you couldn't use race in a tiebreaker.<br /><br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16374711976492830872014-03-29T11:29:10.147-07:002014-03-29T11:29:10.147-07:00Diane follows the money:
http://www.rawstory.com/...Diane follows the money:<br /><br />http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/29/bush-administration-official-tells-moyers-why-she-changed-her-mind-about-charter-schools/<br /><br />Education historian Diane Ravitch, a former assistant secretary of education under the first President Bush, was once an advocate of school choice and charter schools. But Ravitch changed her mind after following the money trail behind the charter movement.<br /><br />“The lure of getting federal money made many states change their laws to open the door to many, many more charter schools,” Ravitch tells Moyers. And who’s behind the investment in new charters? Hedge-fund managers, private investors and philanthropists, she says. <br /><br />-districtWatcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1874751164592847532014-03-29T10:51:08.680-07:002014-03-29T10:51:08.680-07:00Chin, NYC has a lot do different kinds of magnet s...Chin, NYC has a lot do different kinds of magnet schools. Their test in schools look mostly like ours(actually they make ours look diverse; ours at least mirror the city, theirs are for the most part more white and Asian than NYC)though many of the magnet schools of all kinds (most?) have an admissions process more like college than our option/pure lottery one, so many can and do select for a more diverse population.<br /><br />-sleeperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-36490440774958022222014-03-29T10:39:12.621-07:002014-03-29T10:39:12.621-07:00Seattle would not do well on a study like this not...Seattle would not do well on a study like this not just because of former redlining, but also because it did not heed the opinion of the (conservative justices) in the racial tie-breaker case from the Supreme Court case.<br /><br />Although race could not be used as a tie-breaker, the opinion stated that diversity is a value that public schools should strive for through other ways. It's interesting to contrast how Louisville, who was also part of the decision, handled the aftermath of the case.<br /><br />Seattle went straight to neighborhood schools, while Louisville as a city consciously deliberated on how they could maintain diversity in the wake of the deciaion. They chose gerrymandered boundaries, which have not been without difficulties.<br /><br />But it is worth noting that a southern city, unlike<br />"progressive" Seattle, decided that diversity in public schools is a value for their city, and they indeed have attempted to maintain it.<br /><br />--enough alreadyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32271006894185760302014-03-29T09:42:20.073-07:002014-03-29T09:42:20.073-07:00No, Seattle would not good in a study like this. ...No, Seattle would not good in a study like this. But it's because the city is segregated from housing patterns of long ago. <br /><br />But Mary's right on her points. But all bets would be off on charters.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64328131724424007082014-03-29T09:30:53.774-07:002014-03-29T09:30:53.774-07:00I think one point that people often overlook, but ...I think one point that people often overlook, but that the press releases hint at is that Northern cities, are by and large, far more segregated in their housing patterns, and therefore, schools, then are Southern cities. This is the result of deliberate housing policies by fearful Euroamericans as Africanamerican arrived from the rural south in the 1910's-1970's to take advantages of job opportunities in the urban north.<br /><br />I am a fan of the graphic depiction of statistics, and I find that racial cartography is an interesting tool that can demonstrate segregationist housing patterns.In this series of 21 urban cities, <a href="http://read.bi/1i3IUZa" rel="nofollow"> http://read.bi/1i3IUZa</a> New York ranks third after Milwaukee and Detroit, which are tied. (This information is from a report by John Logan of Brown University and Brian Stults of Florida State called The Persistence of Segregation in the Metropolis: New Findings <br />from the 2010 Census)<br /><br />I have often thought what Chin wrote, that Seattle would not look good in a study about school segregation. One of the issues is that the way statisticians measure desegregation, though, means none of our schools would register. We have no schools where there are less than 1% of the students are white. The closest you can get to that are in some of the racial mixes in the elementary schools, where some of percentages of students who are white are 2-3%, but even then, we tend to have a high percentage of students who are asian american as well as students who are black, so that the schools with the highest percentage of black students have around 50% students who are black. I am guessing that the free and reduced lunch statistics would tell a better story of segregation, with some schools (such as APP at Lincoln) having a less than 1% rate and other schools nearing 90%. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03542105149501352547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28875981920641903822014-03-29T00:05:10.221-07:002014-03-29T00:05:10.221-07:00Seattle would not look good in a study like this. ...Seattle would not look good in a study like this. Segregation has increased dramatically at many schools since the NSAP. I guess the question is, is it better to have neighborhood schools or integrated schools? We are finding out now and the other question is, how do students gain exposure to those of the different races that make up the city?<br />Obviously, all-black or nearly all-black charters are seen as a positive by many parents and educators. But what about non-charters? And when they say magnet schools, aren't they talking about their test-in gifted schools?Chinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73441502721735903922014-03-28T16:52:36.909-07:002014-03-28T16:52:36.909-07:00Agreed but I think the money interests leaned hard...Agreed but I think the money interests leaned hard on deBlasio.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-14289355461350175922014-03-28T16:11:45.923-07:002014-03-28T16:11:45.923-07:00It's interesting that the AlJazeera article mi...It's interesting that the AlJazeera article missed what I think is the most pithy quote I've heard about this issue by an academic. <br /><br />Gary Orfield, the director of the project, is quoted as saying (about the charter school system in New York,)"To create a whole new system that's even worse than what you've got really takes some effort."<br /><br />I don't think deBlasio should have softened up on his stance about charter schools. 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