tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post1226947589293653695..comments2024-03-28T23:38:22.511-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Using the "Negative" TrickMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-92123747457648820582012-05-22T12:14:33.392-07:002012-05-22T12:14:33.392-07:00Nice name, Ann.Nice name, Ann.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09923777229601243321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53211364108746729612012-05-22T09:18:41.948-07:002012-05-22T09:18:41.948-07:00It appears Carlyle is in bed with Hanauer. Intere...It appears Carlyle is in bed with Hanauer. Interesting. <br /><br />Throw Carlyle in with the rest of the union busting democrats. I guess he didn't notice EVERY Democratic District in Seattle signed onto anti-charter resolutions. So, who does he represent? Glad he is showing his full hand.<br /><br />Carlyle is still going off on RTT. Has he noticed states are applying for exemptions?Disgustednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20213789032314064812012-05-22T08:17:35.113-07:002012-05-22T08:17:35.113-07:00Thanks Dan for the Reuven's moment. Surely, i...Thanks Dan for the Reuven's moment. Surely, it can't be a conincidence it comes on top ot the ST's Rosenthal piece on US Chamber of Commerce assessment of SPS. The content of Reuven's piece nicely match the content of the USCC's theme. ST is more than happy to put all of this out there and our politicians are too keen on winning endorsement, contribution$, and elections that they are more than happy to hand out education dollars to business interest. This isn't about micromangement anymore, it's about "working together" to give away public assets to private interest.<br /><br />Who's the canary here? Business leaders as model education leaders? Oh Captain, my Captain...please, how many billions of taxpayers' handout and more tax breaks are needed to prop up these busineses and their leader's "sloppy" and "stupid" mistakes.<br /><br />We already know what happened to the canary in the financial coal mine. <br /><br />voterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1707268273015494412012-05-22T08:13:24.160-07:002012-05-22T08:13:24.160-07:00This blog is my Talk Radio, it's not news and ...This blog is my Talk Radio, it's not news and I'm not a big fan of the hosts, but it can be very entertaining when interesting "callers" show up.<br /><br />-Ann O'NimmusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13344521769883039972012-05-22T08:09:58.423-07:002012-05-22T08:09:58.423-07:00Keep up the great work!!!Keep up the great work!!!wordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02195042896296788956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-81076131140264689362012-05-22T08:00:00.454-07:002012-05-22T08:00:00.454-07:00We only just returned from being out of the countr...We only just returned from being out of the country for 4 months. This Forum/Blog and Chris Jackins are the first contacts I make for accurate and informative School District information. Thank you Melissa and Charlie and all contributors. Love Charlie's photee of Susan on his postings and his rationale for placing it there.Carol Simmonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76450879565178960822012-05-22T00:47:03.610-07:002012-05-22T00:47:03.610-07:00Here is Rueven's latest
http://reuvencarlyle3...<b>Here is Rueven's latest</b><br /><br /><a href="http://reuvencarlyle36.com/2012/05/21/yellow-canaries-in-the-coal-mines-of-public-education/" rel="nofollow">http://reuvencarlyle36.com/2012/05/21/yellow-canaries-in-the-coal-mines-of-public-education/</a><br /><br />It includes a bit on Stand for Children.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59026183113575745932012-05-21T21:23:40.895-07:002012-05-21T21:23:40.895-07:00Reminds me of the "serious" and "ad...Reminds me of the "serious" and "adult" pundits who call Krugman and the like "shrill." Somehow, the "serious" and "adult" folk forget how to debate the issues and resort to name-calling. An often effective means of distraction, but not a respectful way to debate. <br /><br />- EbenezerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71664011456260708522012-05-21T13:00:19.430-07:002012-05-21T13:00:19.430-07:00Yes Catherine - that's the argument in a nutsh...Yes Catherine - that's the argument in a nutshell.<br /><br />The problem ultimately comes from that human inclination to divide the world into "us" and "them" - it's caused more wars than nearly any other kind of thinking.<br /><br />It's certainly what causes most of the friction here, in my humble view.<br /><br />For myself - somedays I'm an "us" and somedays I'm a "them" - I do not subscribe to entrenched opinions and am willing to listen to ideas, no matter who has them (with one or two minor exceptions).<br /><br />While I totally appreciate your personal needs and right to choose to monetize the blog - I do think there are inherent pitfalls in that - because then it becomes about "who" is behind the money and no longer a neutral (theoritically) ground. More "us" vs "them"Someonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64506722491372375452012-05-21T12:51:02.176-07:002012-05-21T12:51:02.176-07:00Let me see if I get this straight- They (Gates, L...Let me see if I get this straight- They (Gates, LEV, Stand) see a problem in Seattle Schools and come up with their approach, and they're "all that" and wonderful. <br /><br />Anybody else sees a different problem, or a different solution to the same problem, and those anybody else's' are negative, angry, nut-jobs? <br /><br />Did I get that right?Catherinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64421760620053403082012-05-21T11:59:32.318-07:002012-05-21T11:59:32.318-07:00The quotes on here are hilarious. And this blog i...The quotes on here are hilarious. And this blog is where I come to read solid information, critical thinking, informed opinion. Very thankful for it.<br />--TCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16156835127319547402012-05-21T11:20:28.466-07:002012-05-21T11:20:28.466-07:00"Sorry", it's actually worse than th..."Sorry", it's actually worse than that: the scenario is the same, except that G is accusing R of negativism, to move towards "belittling & dismissing" while at the same time suggesting that the solution to his *one* flat tire is to throw away the entire otherwise functioning car and buy a boat to drive around town with. <br /><br />zbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31596590357666904482012-05-21T11:18:30.435-07:002012-05-21T11:18:30.435-07:00Perhaps "skeptical" is mixing you up wit...Perhaps "skeptical" is mixing you up with Goldy, from over on the SLOG, who has applied to the ST to be an editorial writer. I think you both have about the same chance of getting hired over there, however.Josh Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242600011474990770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23921263901032032202012-05-21T09:42:52.197-07:002012-05-21T09:42:52.197-07:00Yes, Charlie and I have written this blog for 6 ye...Yes, Charlie and I have written this blog for 6 years for no money and no investors. <br /><br />And NOW the time is ripe to make money? Skeptical, very funny.<br /><br />If we choose to monetize the blog (and we probably will), that's really our choice. <br /><br />"Does meeting with the Seattle Times and trying to get on staff there count?" <br /><br />I have never met with Seattle Times staff about a job nor ever applied for a job at the Times. I did have a meeting - by the Times' invitation - to sit down and listen in on one of their editorial meetings. <br /><br />You really don't have very good sources for your information.<br /><br />ZB, I explain who Reuven is in my thread.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76378333126082626292012-05-21T09:29:05.446-07:002012-05-21T09:29:05.446-07:00Rosencranz: "You have a flat tire."
Gui...Rosencranz: "You have a flat tire."<br /><br />Guildenstern: "I have three tires that hold air, as well as a spare tire in my trunk."<br /><br />R: "But your tire is flat."<br /><br />G: "Stop being so negative. Let's focus on the tires that are holding air. And I already told you I have a spare."<br /><br />R: "Have you considered replacing the flat tire with your spare?"<br /><br />G: "The majority of my tires are fine."<br /><br />R: "There are risks driving with a flat tire."<br /><br />G: "Alright already. I'll put on the spare."<br /><br />R: "Good idea, but it looks like your spare is flat."<br /><br />G: "Why are you so angry?"<br /><br />R: "I'm not. I just noticed that your spare tire appears to be flat."<br /><br />G: "The majority of my tires are still holding air. I think we would be able to make better progress if you would focus on that."<br /><br />R: "What is this that you're driving?"<br /><br />G: "Weird question. It's my car."<br /><br />R: "And how many wheels does it have?"<br /><br />G: "You belittle yourself by focusing only on the faults with my car. Besides which, you are not a mechanic, nor do you sell tires. I don't believe that you're even qualified to hold an opinion as to the status of my tires."<br /><br />R: "Say what you will about me. You still have a flat tire, and your spare has no air."<br /><br />-SorryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84055814250428684272012-05-21T08:06:36.093-07:002012-05-21T08:06:36.093-07:00It's puzzling: suggesting any sort of improvem...It's puzzling: suggesting any sort of improvement implies that something is at least a little bit broken, doesn't it? Does that make someone "negative"? I suppose, in some minds, it does.<br /><br />But as the old riddle goes - what's the biggest room in the world? Room for improvement. This is, to <i>my</i> mind, a positive attitude: problems exist but we can attack them and make progress on them. Literacy, numeracy, achievement gaps, on and on, it's not negative to point out that we fall short in these, and it's only positive to propose changes that will help to improve them.Josh Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242600011474990770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60302392429791650292012-05-21T08:04:31.386-07:002012-05-21T08:04:31.386-07:00Keep doing what you're doing, damn the critics...Keep doing what you're doing, damn the critics. This blog fills a necessary function in our district and raises the bar for other media. I don't expect to agree with the content or tone of every post. Good heavens, we're adults here, right? And if you need to monetize the blog, by all means do so. For years you have volunteered gazillions of hours of research and attending meetings on our behalf. Let those of who benefit help pay the bills.<br />--keepitupAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-63764450999435223432012-05-21T07:44:49.718-07:002012-05-21T07:44:49.718-07:00One of the best descriptions of the way the suppor...One of the best descriptions of the way the supporters of status quo at SSD marginalize critics was the "belittle and dismiss" phrase used last week.<br /><br />This "negativity" charge is the first step and I hope you two public servants don't let it get to you.<br /><br />As far as I'm concerned, you print to much positive stuff. My first thought is of "boosterism" when I see those threads but theres lots of them and we know that your leadership is not without cost.<br /><br />PLEASE keep standing up for truth.<br /><br />Without you, we would be much worse off. And MGJ would still be here.<br /><br />WE think "truthsayer" has amuch too high opionion of himself and is probably employed by Strategies 360.Noamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76773945004742465212012-05-21T07:37:29.063-07:002012-05-21T07:37:29.063-07:00Playing the "angry card" is Seattle'...Playing the "angry card" is Seattle's self-appointed 'leaders' favorite way of marginalizing those who disagree with them. But what the 'angry lobbers' REALLY mean, I think, is that those who disagree with them are a threat to their comfortable status quo hold on power.<br /><br />Which is a GOOD thing.<br /><br />Who uses it? In education, listen for the code in City Council (Burgess) the Alliance 4 Ed (Morris) LEV (Korsmo, Munn), Gates Foundation players (Greer), the school Board (Martin-Morris, DeBell, Carr)...<br /><br />Of course all of these people have meltdowns, sometimes quite publicly (Korsmo on TV last year) so they look silly pointing the fingers at others. More than that, they look insecure. Sort of like a sorry high school clique.(And they should be insecure, since Seattle voters do like to think for themselves and this blog helps us to do so.)<br /><br />Savvy VoterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27050064158397819152012-05-21T07:34:12.801-07:002012-05-21T07:34:12.801-07:00Well, this column fits in the group of ones I don&...Well, this column fits in the group of ones I don't really understand, 'cause they're a bit too insider for me (I don't know who Reuven is, for example). <br /><br />If there was a "donate" button to support this blog, I'd click on it and have no problem paying you a salary for the work you do. It's well worth investing in. <br /><br />zbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29989783540284074242012-05-21T06:33:30.515-07:002012-05-21T06:33:30.515-07:00I voted for John Bubank.I voted for John Bubank.Jet City momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14804841958585043967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91969805945204090912012-05-20T22:31:00.954-07:002012-05-20T22:31:00.954-07:00People who don't Think probably don't have...People who don't Think probably don't have Brains; rather, they have gray fluff that's blown into their heads by mistake. ~ Winnie the PoohSahilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610179287237833742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79957137741891343812012-05-20T22:04:25.512-07:002012-05-20T22:04:25.512-07:00@Skeptical..... what a wonderful world of delusion...@Skeptical..... what a wonderful world of delusion/illusion you live in.... make money off a blog like this? as a marketing consultant I say "Good luck with that"... <br /><br />there isnt enough controversy here to make enough of a splash to get any real attention to make any real money...<br /><br />Its not "nutty" enough - it doesnt have enough ranters and ravers as show up to spiel their right-wing crap as on the Crosscut or Times comment sections...<br /><br />Dont you know - I'm the only ranter and raver here... I'm the crazy person...<br /><br />Thanks for the best laugh of the day....Sahilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610179287237833742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74980378863062231502012-05-20T21:45:38.964-07:002012-05-20T21:45:38.964-07:00No agenda, huh? Does meeting with the Seattle Tim...No agenda, huh? Does meeting with the Seattle Times and trying to get on staff there count? Rather shocking you even tried that. Go figure they rejected that proposal. First Crosscut dumped you and then the Times snubbed you. You are not a real journalist. Rumor has it you are looking to monetize this blog. What say you? I think you definitely have an agenda and it is to get attention and ultimately to make money. <br />- SkepticalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57543161709503846762012-05-20T21:43:10.209-07:002012-05-20T21:43:10.209-07:00If you put out the word that nothing we write is c...<i>If you put out the word that nothing we write is credible and besides "so negative", well, then you put us out there as hysterics and nattering nabobs of negativism. </i><br /><br />Yeah. I'm ok with that.NegativeNancynoreply@blogger.com