tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post1363352760828332380..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Race Issues at Hale?Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64847135133203058352020-11-25T13:15:40.520-08:002020-11-25T13:15:40.520-08:00This is a good news to my life and my generations,...This is a good news to my life and my generations, i am so proud of the great illuminati brotherhood, i want to say a big thanks to the illuminati brotherhood in world, i have tried so many times to join the illuminati brotherhood, so that i can live a better life, but i was not lucky to meet the right people that will help me join this illuminati, i have been scammed so many times, and i was promise that i will receive my benefits as a member, all was scam and i was not happy about it, because i read in the internet that so many great men and women are all illuminati members, this was the reason i never stopped, because i know that when i meet the right illuminati, my life will be changed for good, because of this i still believe in the illuminati and continue search on the internet, i never give up because i have the hope and believe, i was born to make it in life, because my dad once told me that if you give up in life, life will also give up on you, because of this i never one give up, on till i meet the right agent of illuminati, that directed me on how to join the illuminati, brothers and sisters i wan t to use this opportunity to tell everyone that it is totally tree to join the illuminati, you don't need to spend any money to join, it is free don't pay any money to join illuminati, because i was scammed so many times, the real illuminati don't ask for money to join, when i was totally initiated, i was given so many benefits, in my induction day i was given a cash of $2,000,000,00 ring of protection to protect my self and my family, Car of my choice and mansion of my choice and etc, Brothers and Sisters who are interested to join the illuminati and you have been scammed so many times, don't give up i will now direct you to the real illuminati official email: churchofilluminatiwealth@gmail.com or you can Call/Text WhatsApp Number +1 (508) 819 2672 You must have to know this that it is totally free to join the illuminati brotherhood.Elijah Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910450177467753438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50102702115333617962019-06-24T15:27:23.867-07:002019-06-24T15:27:23.867-07:00And don't forget it was Democrats who started ...And don't forget it was Democrats who started the dehumanization of blacks in order to control them and their votes. Really not a lot has changed just their methods.<br /><br />It's TRUE<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71424989635967288982019-06-24T10:31:57.690-07:002019-06-24T10:31:57.690-07:00I agree with "our comments are such generalit...I agree with "our comments are such generalities that you undermine your message. If you don't want to spend your time rebutting the individual beliefs and personal family histories of posters, maybe try being a little more open to the idea that all "whites" are not exactly the same."<br /><br />@JJ You know history and ancestry is much more complex for so many people who may even be unaware of their own history. <br /><br />One example, Sicilians, although a small minority in the US, were once not considered white and were also subject to Jim Crow laws & had to attend different schools in the south as well. They also were lynched and the largest mass lynching was of 10 Sicilians. Southern Italians, including Sicilians were also along with Asians and Jews subject to housing and many other forms of discrimination. Sicily was not much better for them as they exploited heavily when Italy unified by Italians from the north, and there was terrible slavery of children that occurred there as well in the Sulfur mines.My G grandparents were from one of those towns and endured more hardship than you can imagine. <br /><br />I also urge you to read Booker T Washington's account of time he spent in Sicily which was also during the time when most were emmigrating to the US. <br />A Quote from his book:<br />"The Negro is not the man farthest down. The condition of the coloured farmer in the most backward parts of the Southern States of America, even where he has the least education and the least encouragement, is incomparably better than the condition and opportunities of the agricultural population in Sicily.”<br /><br />― Booker T. Washington, The Man Farthest Down: A Record of Observation and Study in Europe https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6pr85793 <br /><br />In addition, I know personally white people with black ancestors who intermarried with white ancestors long long ago, and are now white. Their poor white and black ancestors married before it was made illegal and things intensified in the civil war era in the south. They are white and have both free black, as well as enslaved ancestors. http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/foreword.htm<br /><br />I also know of whites as far back as the early 1600's, who organized the first resistance to slavery and also fought against other whites advocating for fair dealings with Native Americans objecting to colonists taking their land. See this link for example about Roger Williams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Williams<br /><br />So history and ancestry can really be more complex than just lumping in all white people together. Much of our history is rarely touched upon in mainstream media or school coverage of historical events. <br /><br />And please don't mistake me as trying to argue that some whites had it harder than Blacks or other people of color. That is not my point. My point is that I think these gray areas in our history are so very important for people to better understand the facets of racism and how it develops and manifests in our society. In addition, "white" is not a monolithic homogeneous group historically in the US or elsewhere. <br /><br />JK Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-83298709611588512742019-06-23T19:22:34.049-07:002019-06-23T19:22:34.049-07:00I'm sure there are still areas where there are...I'm sure there are still areas where there are tensions related to race, but Seattle isn't one and I can't remember any issues since the 60s.<br /><br />These days black on black crime using guns has sky rocketed in Seattle. Are you going to try and blame the violence on whites? I hope not.<br /><br />Are you foolish enough to think reparations would stop the killings? <br /><br />It's like a cosmic partial has entered liberal's skulls and can't escape. It's just zig zaging around and around making more and more holes. I'm sure it all started on November 8, 2016 Call me B-I-N-G-Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-56471320813376449702019-06-23T14:52:11.241-07:002019-06-23T14:52:11.241-07:00@ JJ,
"I think that deflections and bullying...<br />@ JJ,<br /><br />"I think that deflections and bullying and revisionism demonstrate exactly what is meant by fragility."<br /><br />If you see simple questions and attempts at discussion as "deflections," "bullying," and "revisionism"--and thus fragility--then all hope is pretty much lost, since we're not going to get anywhere without some difficult conversations. Accusations of white fragility pretty much shuts those conversations down before they can get going. <br /><br />I'm curious to know what part of my post you consider deflections, bullying, and/or revisionism. If acknowledging racism but asking questions is not acceptable, what is ok in your mind? Is full-throated agreement with you the only course of appropriate action--and even then, what change comes from that? <br /><br />It would seem disingenuous to claim complain about white fragility while at the same time not being willing to really engage in some of the more complex questions asked here, no?<br /><br />let's talkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82979800197139007562019-06-22T23:55:06.677-07:002019-06-22T23:55:06.677-07:00I think that deflections and bullying and revision...I think that deflections and bullying and revisionism demonstrate exactly what is meant by fragility.<br /><br />When one describes a society one must generalize, there are millions of different stories.<br /><br />But take for example lynching. <br /><br />Not everyone was lynched.<br /><br />And not every white person participated or gawked.<br /><br />But our society, our nation, created an atmosphere of terror and intimidation against African American families.<br /><br />The society as a whole, political, business, labor, sports and entertainment, they all allowed this climate of fear for one's life by extra-judicial killing to exist for generations.<br /><br />So of course there have been strong anti-racists among the whites in America. John Brown comes to mind.<br /><br />But he would be the first to condemn the sideline sitter who does not exert their utmost to eradicate all forms of racial bigotry and oppression.<br /><br /><br />JJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-17948326551362970742019-06-22T13:46:51.723-07:002019-06-22T13:46:51.723-07:00Smabo's has nothing to do with Black Americans...Smabo's has nothing to do with Black Americans. <br /><br /><br />WOW Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90182287465130853132019-06-22T13:38:59.051-07:002019-06-22T13:38:59.051-07:00@JJ, I don't think the majority of people here...@JJ, I don't think the majority of people here who would deny that any racism exists, or that there are any individuals with fragile egos. That does not, however, mean that:<br /><br />-there are no white people [who] understand what 400 years of racial injustice has done to people of color in our country;<br />-there are no white people [who] agree with you that "wealth accumulation by whites compared to African Americans shows clearly the effects of slavery, Jim Crow and continued discrimination;"<br />-"whites can only see their 'persecution' and can never just close their eyes and imagine what it would be like to come from a background where your great-great grandparents were whipped, shackled, worked to death, raped and your grandparents and parents were humiliated by segregation and redlining and police harassment."<br /><br />Your comments are such generalities that you undermine your message. If you don't want to spend your time rebutting the individual beliefs and personal family histories of posters, maybe try being a little more open to the idea that all "whites" are not exactly the same. <br /><br />Also--discussing the matter here, and even disagreeing with you, is not evidence that "white people feel that they deserve to be angry!" There's a big difference between anger and disagreement, or, in many cases here, anger and simple corrections re: your overgeneralizations. While you do not seem so inclined, many here are trying to have an honest and thoughtful conversation about race and discrimination...which actually flies in the face of the "white fragility" argument. If you're going to assume it's a given that "whites" are too fragile and educated to talk about these issues, while you are simultaneously presenting yourself as too aggrieved to be able to engage in such conversations until you feel white have already come around to see things as you do, I'm not seeing a lot of hope for moving forward. What's your goal here--just to vent?<br /><br />By the way, I do remember Sambos. I even ate there as a smile child, when I was too young to understand. Does that make me inherently racist or fragile, because I remember it? Do my actions and beliefs as an adult have any bearing on my racist-ness, or am I undeniably racist simply because of the color of my skin? If I'm more than willing to acknowledge that being white has provided me, and my recent ancestors, some advantages, does that have any impact? What if some of my earlier ancestors were similarly mistreated in this country because they were not white or not white enough? What if my immediate family members are not white? This tendency to lump anyone who appears to be white into the same group, regardless of other factors, doesn't help. You can argue that anyone appearing white gets certain benefits, and that may be true. But not everyone appearing what has the same background, beliefs, context, relationships, education, etc. Many of those you malign as "white" are actually your potential allies, but the message you send is that they are not wanted. Is it all just hopeless?<br /><br />let's talkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79781546985694746512019-06-22T13:07:29.105-07:002019-06-22T13:07:29.105-07:00The NPR segment that discussed refugees fleeing WW...The NPR segment that discussed refugees fleeing WWII was on the WBUR station program Here and Now.<br /><br />Racism, hate, intolerance is ignorance, fear, and anger rolled up in a destructive, wounding mix. I believe the solution is curiosity, contact, and thinking. <br /><br />We all need to be capable of holding multiple contradictory truths at the same time, acknowledge that no one person or philosophy either has all the answers and is entirely correct or is the problem and must be rejected. And we also need to hold that there is a universal morality that can be valuable to consider because there is wrong and right, and silence does help oppress the victims while supporting the bullies. <br /><br />Defacing a poster students made that celebrates beauty, their beauty, is awful and stupid and hurtful and menacing. That action was a wrong, and while some may see it as a relatively harmless prank, others may see it as malevolent threat that the belies the deeper desires of those vandals to strike with violence against the actual persons depicted in the poster. Both are right.<br /><br />We must be able to hold the truism that everybody is welcome to here along with the responsibility that everybody is accountable here. These are not mutually exclusive. Making informed compassionate decisions when difficult situations erupt requires commonsense, common decency, as well as mindful empathy of our collective histories. <br /><br /> Right now it feels like we can’t have centered, grounded conversations because the pendulum is swinging too wildly both right and left. It sets us up for lose-lose. Throwing out baby with bathwater type answers to complex problems don’t solve anything and in fact, in my opinion, they make things worse and set up a destructive feedback loop to exacerbate the worst of the worst - pulling us apart and isolating productive dialogue because to engage in that dialogue risks one’s reputation. <br /><br />https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/06/21/fdr-anne-frank-world-war-ii-visa-quotas<br /><br />frustrated centrist <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69550120217210782412019-06-22T10:43:11.866-07:002019-06-22T10:43:11.866-07:00@Melissa I prefaced my example questions with a re...@Melissa I prefaced my example questions with a request for more nuanced analysis of family wealth than was provided in the original stat JJ cited. I certainly didn't use 'eliminate' to suggest murdering millionaires. Perhaps I misread your post, but there's nothing funny about encouraging thought beyond superficial statistics. Too often superficial statistics are used, as JJ did, to indicate or to "prove" something they really don't prove at all. Maybe, if I'd phrased the sentence differently you would have understood it for what I intended. E.g., "What happens when you make the same calculations after eliminating (that is, not counting as part of the calculations) both black and white millionaires? <br /><br />Thank you for herding us cats for as long as you have. Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87991847735165389602019-06-22T09:57:12.906-07:002019-06-22T09:57:12.906-07:00Teresa,
Just a high five from another Seattleite ...Teresa,<br /><br />Just a high five from another Seattleite with hillbilly ancestors. <br /><br />Fairmount ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49384815737851965992019-06-22T07:54:53.572-07:002019-06-22T07:54:53.572-07:00Sigh. And we had a good discussion going.
There w...Sigh. And we had a good discussion going.<br /><br />There was no "hate crime" mentioned. A couple of incidents happened and Hale had a community discussion.<br /><br />MK, that was an excellent - if depressing - radio piece about Jews fleeing Europe during WWII.<br /><br />Miss Apatos, I think the comments show the ignorance without anyone commenting. You're right about having thick skin in this world. <br /><br />"Hell I'll settle for a box of ezells."<br /><br />Thanks for that laugh - a sense of humor is a good thing.<br /><br />"What happens when you make the same calculations after eliminating both white and black millionaires?"<br /><br />"No my good friend there are more uneducated poor white people than there are black people in America, that's the illuminati's trick."<br /><br />Also funny but in a sad way. I can't take this kind of thinking seriously. <br /><br />We'll end this discussion here.<br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58312076051060279612019-06-21T20:31:36.458-07:002019-06-21T20:31:36.458-07:00My great grandmother immigrated to the US from Ire...My great grandmother immigrated to the US from Ireland told me stories how she was terrorized by the Democrats. When the Democrats were not burning crosses in Catholics front yards they were eating babies. <br /><br />True storyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82172130681187086832019-06-21T20:05:17.154-07:002019-06-21T20:05:17.154-07:00Some of us on this thread don't actually know ...Some of us on this thread don't actually know much about our great-great grandparents except that they were poor white hillbillies who worked and died in coal mines for pennies a day. These were people who couldn't afford to buy lunch at drug store or restaurant, or pay the fare to ride a bus. Let alone afford to buy a house in Magnolia or anywhere in any town. Some of you really need to stop talking because your ignorance is just plain appalling.<br /><br />TeresaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11478382630854870042019-06-21T19:37:09.996-07:002019-06-21T19:37:09.996-07:00The earliest use of coon in any sense other than a...The earliest use of coon in any sense other than as an abbreviation for the animal, the racoon, was as a nickname for the American political party, the Whigs, in the 1840s. It was then used successively to mean a native American, and a sly rustic or peasant before the first recorded use for ‘black’ is recorded in 1848, in G.F. Ruxton’s Life in the Far West.<br /><br />Another SJW gets it wrong.<br /><br /><br />Just WOWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50795916017811309182019-06-21T19:31:06.782-07:002019-06-21T19:31:06.782-07:00The Coon Chicken Inn was a highly successful resta...The Coon Chicken Inn was a highly successful restaurant chain from the late 1920s through the 1950s. A grinning, grotesque head of a bald Black man with a porter's cap and winking eye formed a restaurant's entryway. The door was through the middle of his mouth. The restaurants sold southern fried Coon Chicken sandwiches, chicken pie, livers -- and hamburgers, seafood, chili, cakes, and assorted sandwiches. When possible, Blacks were used as waiters, waitresses, and cooks. The grandson of its founder wrote a brief history of the Coon Chicken Inn chain. We thank him for allowing us to print his account. <br /><br />Another SJW gets it wrong.<br /><br />Just WOWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68588515533151754032019-06-21T19:28:07.400-07:002019-06-21T19:28:07.400-07:00JJ what's your opinion of Japan?
BBJJ what's your opinion of Japan?<br /><br />BBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72225559384408796372019-06-21T19:25:27.778-07:002019-06-21T19:25:27.778-07:00As a gift for her two little girls, [Helen Bannerm...As a gift for her two little girls, [Helen Bannerman] wrote and illustrated The Story of Little Black Sambo (1899), a story that clearly takes place in India (with its tigers and ‘ghi,’ or melted butter), even though the names she gave her characters belie that setting. For this new edition of Bannerman’s much beloved tale, the little boy, his mother, and his father have all been given authentic Indian names: Babaji, Mamaji, and Papaji.<br /><br />Another SWJ gets it wrong.<br /><br /><br />Just WOWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38535511166887934972019-06-21T19:21:26.874-07:002019-06-21T19:21:26.874-07:00@JJ I think it's time for you to stop commenti...@JJ I think it's time for you to stop commenting.<br /><br />BBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91120886249029435162019-06-21T19:19:08.521-07:002019-06-21T19:19:08.521-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.TheGoodFighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307127019210864810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40373306029020378922019-06-21T18:35:59.967-07:002019-06-21T18:35:59.967-07:00There are way over 100 million people in the US wh...There are way over 100 million people in the US who witnessed Jim Crow and redlining first-hand. Joe Biden is in trouble right now for talking to segregationists when he was working with them to stop busing of students for purposes of integration.<br /><br />Magnolia is just now getting to where you might see a black person every day, if you get out a fair bit.<br /><br />Last I checked, the effects of red-lining were continuing in Los Angeles, here, San Jose, Palo Alto(East Palo Alto).<br /><br />I think if you asked an honest "white" person who grew up on the West Coast who's over 50 they remember Sambos<br /><br />and if they're over 60 they'd remember the Coon Chicken Inn right here in Seattle.<br /><br />Imagine how that feels? <br /><br />JJ<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90711184123751232092019-06-21T18:34:26.588-07:002019-06-21T18:34:26.588-07:00Anger is very addicting, isn't it?
-CynicAnger is very addicting, isn't it?<br /><br />-Cynic<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43355391229443774222019-06-21T18:23:15.565-07:002019-06-21T18:23:15.565-07:00Roy asked, "It's simply unimaginable how ...Roy asked, "It's simply unimaginable how there could be so many rich educated black folk in such a racist country. Do you think it's a trick being played on us by the Illuminati ?" <br /><br />No my good friend there are more uneducated poor white people than there are black people in America, that's the illuminati's trick<br /><br />MasonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22705743524732624932019-06-21T18:16:49.014-07:002019-06-21T18:16:49.014-07:00I was also thinking about the phrase "white f...I was also thinking about the phrase "white fragility". <br /><br />What do you call it when diners are attacked at a Woolworths lunch counter merely for sitting and wanting to order and eat food?<br /><br />The YouTube videos of those incidents seems to show some very fragile egos.<br /><br />They show "white" people pouring food on well-dressed polite men and women, in some cases high school students, who only want to be treated as citizens with equal rights.<br /><br />Young "white" men also beat them in some cases with their fists.<br /><br />Was this backlash from too much Social Justice teaching in their schools?<br /><br />JJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87756200245407254732019-06-21T18:02:02.120-07:002019-06-21T18:02:02.120-07:00@JJ If you'll allow consideration of nuance in...@JJ If you'll allow consideration of nuance in your thinking about statistics, consider, for example, that you've lumped all whites to get an "average" and all blacks to get an "average". What happens when you make the same calculations after eliminating both white and black millionaires? or What happens when you adjust for income differences according to the varying cost of living in different parts of the country? or What happens when you adjust for that state by state or within a state? I haven't researched it but see doing so as a better indicator of reality than the broad statistic you cited. It's a true statistic but doesn't necessarily represent what you seem to assume it does.<br /><br />As to ancestral background, nobody has to imagine anything. Just for a few examples, who do you think the Romans were enslaving, feeding to the lions? Who do you think the Huns were slaughtering? Who do you think Vikings were enslaving? Who do you think the English were indenturing even in colonial America? Who besides Blacks do you think suffered discrimination redlining, and police harassment well into 20th century America? Whether or not you want accept it, if you go back far enough, most racial groups have the background you describe. It might not appear that way now because most of them picked themselves up, dusted themselves off, and moved into the mainstream by fitting in rather than trying to differentiate themselves as anything but plain American.<br /><br />Mikenoreply@blogger.com