tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post2224459894940312295..comments2024-03-29T02:41:52.718-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Friday Open ThreadMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-71445650728106219212019-04-02T15:45:58.846-07:002019-04-02T15:45:58.846-07:00The budget materials for tomorrow night's work...The budget materials for tomorrow night's work session have been posted on the SPS website. Staff has doubled down on their projection that enrollment is decreasing significantly next year, particularly at the high school level. Makes no sense to me.<br /><br />Where were these projections when the Board was determining BEX V priorities? If these were the actual projected enrollment numbers, wouldn't the focus for BEX V have been on school condition rather than increased capacity? Why did the staff hide these numbers? <br /><br />And where are the five year enrollment projections?<br /><br />WS ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28004550591404894502019-04-02T15:38:12.823-07:002019-04-02T15:38:12.823-07:00Of course staff salaries are most of the cost of a...Of course staff salaries are most of the cost of a district. <br /><br />The district did (wrongly) believe they had a revenue source but were not thinking the GOP would then take away another source (levies). <br /><br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84499831437064135632019-04-02T15:31:03.540-07:002019-04-02T15:31:03.540-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-36246370863805448502019-04-02T15:00:54.403-07:002019-04-02T15:00:54.403-07:00It's not OK that class sizes would have to ris...It's not OK that class sizes would have to rise and larger class sizes are not better than smaller class sizes. Can I be any clearer?<br /><br />This is what the district and the union forced via the last two CBAs, though. Don't blame me for suggesting that the district will now need to lose some teachers. Numbers of teachers and teacher salaries are far and away the largest cost drivers to a school district. If the district increases teacher salaries without a requisite revenue increase to cover those increases, then reducing the number of teachers is a logical (and unfortunate) consequence. No other single budget item gets you balanced.<br /><br />FrancisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-61767362664385009502019-04-02T14:19:01.547-07:002019-04-02T14:19:01.547-07:00Francis, you said class sizes would have to rise a...Francis, you said class sizes would have to rise as if that would be okay. It's not.<br /><br />There is no reason, in my mind, that the unions will swipe special education dollars."<br /><br />Huh?Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28428614767185980782019-04-02T13:46:20.081-07:002019-04-02T13:46:20.081-07:00
Hang onto those special education dollars. SEA wi...<br />Hang onto those special education dollars. SEA will be negotiating again this year!<br /><br />WEA and local unions pushed us over the levy cliff this year. There is no reason, in my mind, that the unions will swipe special education dollars.<br /><br />Then, the unions will begin chanting that the state needs funds to pay for nurses and counselors!!<br /><br />Sarcastic Onenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3309279803563103812019-04-02T13:25:59.495-07:002019-04-02T13:25:59.495-07:00Did I say somewhere that bigger class sizes are be...Did I say somewhere that bigger class sizes are better?<br /><br />FrancisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48376730989692640182019-04-02T12:50:28.854-07:002019-04-02T12:50:28.854-07:00"I think the legislature should fully fund it..."I think the legislature should fully fund its basic education obligations, including those for special education,...through existing and growing revenues."<br /><br />And this;<br /><br />Increasingly, economists are predicting that we may see a recession in a couple of years. Beware."<br /><br />Contradict each other so what to think? <br /><br />What I do think (and know) is that no matter where you get the money, this state's taxing is regressive to those who can least afford it. <br /><br />"The district, since they are unlikely to get the local levy authority to close the budget gap they and the union created, class sizes are going to have to rise. But those class sizes should rise only for the most senior and experienced teachers. These teachers are capable of managing more students and they're receiving the largest salaries, so they should get more students." <br /><br />Great, let's just get on that Betsy DeVos train of "bigger classes are better." I won't disagree that more senior teachers should take that on, should it happen. <br /><br />I do not believe librarians a luxury unless you truly don't understand their role in education today. But yes, we need more supports across the board. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-83699510774955710232019-04-02T11:46:32.748-07:002019-04-02T11:46:32.748-07:00About librarians:
At my kids' school, the lib...About librarians:<br /><br />At my kids' school, the library is a really safe space. If a kid wants quiet at recess, they are always welcome to go the library. For introverts, the library is important to mental health. Some kids can't handle being social for 6+ hours straight. Also, the librarian is another trusted adult in the building. If a kid has a personality conflict with a teacher, it is another person to lean on. <br /><br />I want to speak up for those quiet, sensitive kids who don't always have a voice. For those kids, the librarian is as important as a school counselor. Those kids may not act out, they may not cause trouble, and as a result they may be ignored. They may be too shy or embarrassed to go to the school counselor. How many famous people have described how books helped them to recover from the hardships in their lives? I bet that applies to more than a few of us reading this blogs. <br /><br />Librarians aren't only about books. They are a lifeline for the intellectually curious and sensitive kids for whom a playground seems like something out of "Lord of the Flies."<br /><br />WS ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-15289453987833216902019-04-02T09:23:57.089-07:002019-04-02T09:23:57.089-07:00I believed in local bargaining until WEA, local un...I believed in local bargaining until WEA, local unions and local school boards proved they did not have the capacity to work within existing revenue streams.Former WPDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59983787960285434442019-04-02T09:17:04.469-07:002019-04-02T09:17:04.469-07:00I agree with much of Francis's comment.
Addin...I agree with much of Francis's comment.<br /><br />Adding:<br /><br />-Teachers need to loose pay for striking. Private unions loose pay for striking. WEA should be no different. <br /><br />-State allocations need to go towards specific purposes. For example, funding for nurses and counselors must be used for intended purposes. These dollars should not be used for salary and benefit enhancements. <br /><br />I do feel the need to call attention to underfunded systems in which people are dying. For example: mental health and foster care. The must work to protect these vulnerable populations. Librarians, in the big scheme, is a luxury.<br /><br /><br />Lastly, we have just gone through a tremendous bull market. Increasingly, economists are predicting that we may see a recession in a couple of years. Beware.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Former WEAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-37285748835006339862019-04-02T08:41:09.432-07:002019-04-02T08:41:09.432-07:00I think the legislature should fully fund its basi...I think the legislature should fully fund its basic education obligations, including those for special education, through existing and growing revenues. I think they should also return to funding health care for educators at the rate they agreed to in 2017. I also think the legislature should take over statewide collective bargaining with the WEA and PSE. They are paying the bulk of the bills. They should have final say of the largest K-12 expenditure by far --- teacher salaries.<br /><br />I think the district should stop using students with disabilities as political pawns and stop agreeing to collective bargaining agreements without the committed appropriations and levy funding that is projected. While it is true that the legislature has not fully funded special education costs, the raises agreed to in the last two collective bargaining agreements were known each time to be unsustainable. The union and the district made a political calculation that the legislature would back fill these expenditures. Students are the ones --- as always --- that are going to be harmed by this calculation.<br /><br />The district, since they are unlikely to get the local levy authority to close the budget gap they and the union created, class sizes are going to have to rise. But those class sizes should rise only for the most senior and experienced teachers. These teachers are capable of managing more students and they're receiving the largest salaries, so they should get more students. No positions should be cut except for those that are due to enrollment declines.<br /><br />Finally, if additional revenue is needed, then increases to current taxes should rise. The REET and closing of some tax loopholes should be sufficient. But I wouldn't use that additional revenue for K-12, I would use it for early learning and higher education.<br /><br />Francis Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84098265895828457222019-04-02T08:00:40.933-07:002019-04-02T08:00:40.933-07:00Okay Francis and Former WPD, what do you think the...Okay Francis and Former WPD, what do you think the legislature and the district should do?Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62813982892812152802019-04-01T23:02:30.583-07:002019-04-01T23:02:30.583-07:00As is, the capital gains/ income tax is very narro...As is, the capital gains/ income tax is very narrowly defined which contributes to increased volatility.Former WPDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68685477620275309012019-04-01T22:51:56.911-07:002019-04-01T22:51:56.911-07:00Building a state budget that relies on implementin...Building a state budget that relies on implementing a 9.9 percent capital gains is a reckless approach to state budgeting and the Senate understands this. Capital gains tax aka income tax will be tied up in the courts- for years. Capital gains tax is highly volatile. At 9.9%, Washington will have the 3rd highest capital gains tax in the nation and the manner it will impact revenues is difficult to predict.<br /><br />Pushing districts over the levy cliff was irresponsible. Relying on a controversial capital gains/ income tax is equally irresponsible.<br /><br />Thanks, Francis. <br /><br /><br />Former WPDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69405828250361009892019-04-01T21:34:57.465-07:002019-04-01T21:34:57.465-07:00Robert C, it is absolutely not true that the $1 bi...Robert C, it is absolutely not true that the $1 billion dollars the legislature invested in teachers salaries last session "was one-time funding that goes away next year." The 2018 legislature chose to accelerate by one year the agreement reached in 2017 to fully fund those salaries beginning next school year. It was not one-time funding but a year ahead of what they agreed to the McCleary agreement.<br /><br />Those teacher salaries will cost the state $4.5 billion dollars in the 2019-21 biennial budget. And that cost is essentially eating up the extraordinary revenue growth this state is experiencing, providing the Democrat majorities the opportunity to raise further raise taxes and create additional taxation, i.e., a capital gains income tax.<br /><br />Francis<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-24764347687959136352019-04-01T20:18:36.744-07:002019-04-01T20:18:36.744-07:00@Melissa
This group seems to be trying to become ...@Melissa<br /><br />This group seems to be trying to become the redistributor of PTA wealth. I understand they may have SCPTSA support:<br /><br />https://families4equity.org/<br /><br />It's the one with Blanford on the advisory board someone mentioned before.<br /><br />SkierAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87778578419192175742019-04-01T17:41:41.227-07:002019-04-01T17:41:41.227-07:00"There are many education activities in Seatt..."There are many education activities in Seattle that would like to see PTA dollars spread from the wealthier schools to the poorer schools. Some in those wealthy schools object to that. They want to raise the dollars that they can raise "locally" to fund those things that the district (and state) don't fund."<br /><br />What are "education activities?" Also, while everyone can have their opinion about PTA dollars, PTA is private. The district cannot tell them how to spend their money or to share it. The district can say, we won't allow PTA dollars to fund staff but that will never happen. PTA funds way too much for district management to let that revenue stream go. That's one example of the district talking "equity" and yet quietly doing nothing.<br /><br />It is NOT just "wealthy schools" that want the levy lid raised. You'd have to show me proof of that claim. <br /><br />"How is that different than a wealthy district like Seattle, wanting to raise revenues here to be used here? Shouldn't, under the arguments raised by those advocating for the sharing of PTA resources, the money raised in this rich area be spread out to those areas less fortunate?"<br /><br />I'm not sure conflating a levy lid with PTA funding works. Seattle Schools, under the legislature's new property tax, does not keep all of the money raised from that property tax for SPS. So it's not like Seattle's property-wealth is truly staying local. The dollars ARE being spread out to less fortunate areas.<br /><br />"In addition to the many jurisdictions that have found local funding unconstitutional, the sanctity of local district "control" has racial overtones."<br /><br />That might be true everywhere in the country but the issue of "local control" extend way beyond the funding issue to other items like curriculum, sex education, athletics, etc. <br /><br />It's Olchefske (I had to spend time learning how to spell his name). <br /><br />Skier, what you say is true but it is not apples to apples when PTA funds can be spent multiple ways but Title One funds are quite restricted to certain uses. <br /><br />The district could talk to SCPTSA and ask about what their thoughts are. The district could talk to parents about what sharing might look like. The district should consider the ramifications if they pushed hard on sharing which might mean more families leaving and/or schools that had previous supports from PTA now asking for money because the PTA fundraising has severely dropped. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-7272731755226565932019-04-01T15:55:15.509-07:002019-04-01T15:55:15.509-07:00There are many education activities in Seattle tha...<i>There are many education activities in Seattle that would like to see PTA dollars spread from the wealthier schools to the poorer schools. Some in those wealthy schools object to that. They want to raise the dollars that they can raise "locally" to fund those things that the district (and state) don't fund.</i><br /><br />Under a previous superintendent, Olshefski, several years ago, funding was shifted so that poorer schools got more district money, and wealthier schools got less. Olshefski was counting on PTAs back-filling the reduced funds to wealthy schools. This is institutional knowledge people easily forget. If we were to switch to a PTA foundation system such as Portland's, we would need to re-equalize the district spending on each school first for apples-to-apples transparency. What happens now is, people at Title I schools think the PTAs are raising way too much money at rich schools but forget that the Title I schools are getting way more district/state money per head.<br /><br />SkierAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69608237953623940462019-04-01T12:52:27.744-07:002019-04-01T12:52:27.744-07:00So you want to tax me when I earn it. Tax me when ...So you want to tax me when I earn it. Tax me when I spend it then tax me again when I invest it. Tax me once shame on you. Tax me again shame on me. Tax me a third time, well you ain't going to tax me a third time.<br /><br />Socilizuim <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91805803473035958072019-04-01T10:28:55.912-07:002019-04-01T10:28:55.912-07:00Using local levy dollars to fund local school dist...Using local levy dollars to fund local school districts has been found to be problematic and unconstitutional in many states. <br /><br />I take the reference above regarding local levy dollars to be PTA funds on steroids to be an apt analogy. <br /><br />There are many education activities in Seattle that would like to see PTA dollars spread from the wealthier schools to the poorer schools. Some in those wealthy schools object to that. They want to raise the dollars that they can raise "locally" to fund those things that the district (and state) don't fund.<br /><br />How is that different than a wealthy district like Seattle, wanting to raise revenues here to be used here? Shouldn't, under the arguments raised by those advocating for the sharing of PTA resources, the money raised in this rich area be spread out to those areas less fortunate?<br /><br />In addition to the many jurisdictions that have found local funding unconstitutional, the sanctity of local district "control" has racial overtones. Post-Brown desegregation plans need not involve busing beyond school district boundaries. Perhaps this led to the "white-flight" of the 1970s or remains as an unspoken vestige when proponents argue that local districts should have unfettered levy raising and spending authority, I don't know. But it seems a plausible explanation.<br /><br />McCleary will be viewed, in the decades to come, as a watershed case in this state. There will be further litigation to refine and illuminate its importance. Ultimately, we will have a state where virtually all of the education funding will come from Olympia. With that funding will come strings, many strings. <br /><br />It's been 50 years since Brown. Is it inconceivable that we will have 50 years of litigation over funding and control in this state post-McCleary? <br /><br />Well, my comments went a bit beyond where I thought they were going to go, but those are my thoughts. <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> Bumpy Roadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59061157846471737122019-04-01T10:12:36.109-07:002019-04-01T10:12:36.109-07:00The legislature cut levies in 2017, is under press...The legislature cut levies in 2017, is under pressure to fund education, and neither the House nor the Senate have done so. Legislators claim they made a bargain with voters but are consistently reneging on the terms of this supposed deal by continuing to underfund state obligations to districts - including the fact that their "significant amount of funds for teacher salaries" was one-time funding that goes away next year. <br /><br />At this point I don't see any reason to believe what legislators are saying on this. They need to be pressured, yes - pressured to restore the previous levy caps, pressured to use a larger capital gains tax and use it for public education rather than other tax cuts, and they should be ignored whenever they push back.Robert Cruickshankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60457924212685532102019-04-01T09:45:31.494-07:002019-04-01T09:45:31.494-07:00Levy funding takes pressure off the legislature to...Levy funding takes pressure off the legislature to fund education.<br /><br />Some levy proposals seek to raise levy funding to $1B.<br /><br /><br />The state now provides funding for teacher salaries. The state infused significant amount of funds for teacher salaries. School boards across the state provided non-sustainable double digit pay increases that they could not afford. It is probably time for the state to involve themselves in collective bargaining agreements.<br />Former WPDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16652155883128909622019-03-31T23:49:37.364-07:002019-03-31T23:49:37.364-07:00And on a positive note:
the state legislature upp...And on a positive note:<br /><br />the state legislature upped the age to buy tobacco products! Good for all our kids.<br /><br />http://mynorthwest.com/1325896/washington-state-smoking-vaping-tobacco-age-raised-bill/Dadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64753998300574730712019-03-31T20:49:16.748-07:002019-03-31T20:49:16.748-07:00"The levy lift is PTA funding and DonorsChoos..."The levy lift is PTA funding and DonorsChoose on major steroids."<br /><br />Please explain.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.com