tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post2458809385557068391..comments2024-03-28T23:38:22.511-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Shelter-in-Place Today at SPS SchoolsMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73930933563339972032014-10-23T07:10:19.982-07:002014-10-23T07:10:19.982-07:00Thank you Ragweed,
I volunteer in a transitions p...Thank you Ragweed,<br /><br />I volunteer in a transitions program in my child's school. I find it more rewarding than to be in my kid's classes. You would be surprised at how few volunteers they get. Very rewarding. I recommend it. <br /><br /><br /><br />-Beyond FieldtripsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38453595434890316012014-10-23T00:10:14.381-07:002014-10-23T00:10:14.381-07:00Thank you Ragweed. This thread was so very depress...Thank you Ragweed. This thread was so very depressing before your post. I've been thinking lately that compassion, kindness, respect and decency are no longer virtues in America. All those who differ are the OTHER, and should be feared, mistrusted or treated with contempt. What a sad barren world we are making for our children.<br /><br />CCAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29967892296402091652014-10-22T22:03:39.462-07:002014-10-22T22:03:39.462-07:00My understanding is that this incident did not hap...My understanding is that this incident did not happen in the same building as the bulk of Licton Springs and Lincoln students. It occurred in the C building, which does not, to my knowledge, have any other classrooms, (except maybe a theater?)<br /><br />As for the safety of Licton Springs and Lincoln students, I feel confident that the staff took appropriate measures to what thankfully was a relatively minor incident. Our principal said they went on lockdown as an automatic precaution because police had been called.<br /><br /><br />Having 20-year old students in the same building as younger kids does require a bit more vigilance and supervision to insure that all are kept safe and no inappropriate behavior occurs. This is true whether it is an 18-21 transition program, volunteer tutors, college interns, or older siblings paying a visit. If you have concerns about which programs are in the Lincoln complex, I would ask your principal. <br /><br />At Pinehurst, there were a number of times when police were called due to an incident where a students behavior posed a threat to self or others (almost always to self) that required outside intervention. It happens. We have a few students who have significant trauma histories, a few students who may have some behavioral issues. We have had a student who came to us having survived civil war and genocide, a child soldier before they were 10. For the most part, we are able to reach these kids and to provide an environment where they feel safe, and where they are respected, and where they can be part of a normal school. <br /><br />Because these are our students - and by "our" I mean not just Licton Springs, but all of Seattle - and we have an obligation to educate, to respect, and to welcome them, all of them, into our community. I know it can be a little un-nerving at times, and we all know the fear of something happening to our children. But in the end we can't protect our children by trying to build bigger walls, or by trying to exclude some group of students or another that we have decided is a threat. We protect our children best when we have the courage to confront the problems of the world rather than hide from them, to make our schools places of healing as well as learning, and to remember that we cannot afford to throw any child away.<br /><br />If you are concerned about the safety of the Lincoln campus, I would ask your principal about the lockdown procedures and related safety measures and make sure they are following best practices. If you want to know more about the older transition and medically fragile students at Lincoln, I am sure there are some opportunities where you could volunteer to help out with the program and actually get to know the human beings who are students in the program.Ragweedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12491896585801927302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3715066061329887402014-10-22T16:52:09.401-07:002014-10-22T16:52:09.401-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74382291736415105092014-10-22T13:45:33.452-07:002014-10-22T13:45:33.452-07:00It's called reporting.It's called reporting. <br /><br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-67888336533064507912014-10-22T13:24:47.579-07:002014-10-22T13:24:47.579-07:00Good Luck at 12:38 pm,
I do care that appropriate ...Good Luck at 12:38 pm,<br />I do care that appropriate procedures are followed when a SPS student acts in a way that calls for calling police or some other specialist. I don't think if someone has a sharp implement and is out of control in some way that it should be ignored. There is a line that teachers have to try to figure out using guidelines that administrators or teams come up with. If the student was injured, who would be at fault?<br />LincolnHS grad<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88217945947657605962014-10-22T12:38:18.961-07:002014-10-22T12:38:18.961-07:00Melissa you are a small minded person for starting...Melissa you are a small minded person for starting a new post with this subject again. You knew exactly what would happen.<br /><br />You use disabilities and rape for your blogs benefit. You are disgusting. <br /><br />What goes around comes around... <br /><br />Good luckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16070110406354160402014-10-22T12:33:30.101-07:002014-10-22T12:33:30.101-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-834947028256894112014-10-22T11:55:39.322-07:002014-10-22T11:55:39.322-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30327369521648523132014-10-22T11:09:42.449-07:002014-10-22T11:09:42.449-07:00You are way off topic here. Can you hold the anti-...You are way off topic here. Can you hold the anti-HCC hate until the Friday Open Thread?Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-7823085599510845742014-10-22T10:52:47.310-07:002014-10-22T10:52:47.310-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-5707206978550915802014-10-22T09:36:31.280-07:002014-10-22T09:36:31.280-07:00My daughter tells me the person with the plastic k...My daughter tells me the person with the plastic knife was a threat to himself, not anyone else. That's what she was told by unspecified staff at Lincoln anyway. That might explain why 911 was called.<br /><br />--Another possibilityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32062775545209457082014-10-22T09:23:46.041-07:002014-10-22T09:23:46.041-07:00I have no idea what the plastic knife was like tha...I have no idea what the plastic knife was like that was part of the incident at the Lincoln building the other day when they had partial lock down. However, I got a plastic knife for my picnic basket. It is like a paring knife and very strong and sharp, and works just like a metal knife for cutting cheese. So, just because a knife is plastic does not mean it is not sharp and strong. Don't know about the specifics of the incident.<br />LincolnHSgradAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57943271244639853142014-10-22T07:49:58.795-07:002014-10-22T07:49:58.795-07:00Parent, yes, I remember this episode. To me, the ...Parent, yes, I remember this episode. To me, the issue was not that students should know - but the entire staff did not know and if they had, probably could have been watchful of him.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77710345477611514352014-10-22T07:49:16.907-07:002014-10-22T07:49:16.907-07:00I think what needs to be looked at here is the que...I think what needs to be looked at here is the question of whether or not calling 911 was a result of someone's interpretation of a zero tolerance policy or not. If so, it would be a perfect example of why zero tolerance policies are stupid. But I don't have the details of the incident, so I don't know yet. <br /><br />My understanding from my work on the district's discipline advisory committee (which thus far hasn't met once this year) is that the district is moving away from zero tolerance policies, as are most districts.<br /><br />In any case, usually calling the police will escalate a situation, and it generally to be avoided unless there is imminent threat of bodily injury and attempts to de-escalate have failed. The attempts to de-escalate should be based specifically on what is specified in the student's IEP/BIP. <br /><br />I hope that the district does the right thing and analyzes what happened and whether district policies were followed. I hope the student has an adequate IEP and that an Functional Behavioral Analysis has been done and that a Behavior Intervention Plan (BIP) is in place. If there is a BIP in place, it should be re-evaluated for its adequacy after this event. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03542105149501352547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-63725402530381883922014-10-22T07:46:59.469-07:002014-10-22T07:46:59.469-07:00It's a good reminder of the double edged sword...It's a good reminder of the double edged sword of student privacy. An incident at Roosevelt - very different situation, and different school population - dealt with questions around what can (or can't) be disclosed to parents at a school:<br /><br />http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/seattle-public-schools-paying-700000-sex-assault-v/nbmPf/#cmComments<br /><br />parentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58837462029181067232014-10-22T06:44:09.498-07:002014-10-22T06:44:09.498-07:00"They are option schools so folks get to choo..."They are option schools so folks get to choose."<br /><br />K-8 are NOT all option schools. Blaine isn't. (You can't be assigned to middle school there but it's a neighborhood school for K-5.)<br /><br />No secrecy, you can ask the district about this. Have you?Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22685287240150167982014-10-21T23:31:03.641-07:002014-10-21T23:31:03.641-07:00http://sps18-21transitionprograms.blogspot.com
&q...http://sps18-21transitionprograms.blogspot.com<br /><br />" Nathan Hale Transition Program at Lincoln."<br /><br />Apparently the "Rainier Beach Transition Program" is located at Old Van Asselt Building, although this is not specified in the post. ( mentioned in a current job posting for that program) Located with a preschool program - in another wing, perhaps? <br /><br />Googled itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3933557498610778472014-10-21T23:23:39.074-07:002014-10-21T23:23:39.074-07:00Melissa - just before I take my toys and go ; )
By...Melissa - just before I take my toys and go ; )<br />By rumors, I mean that some people are saying Interagency is at Lincoln (i can't find any evidence of that), others think its medically fragile 18-21 yr olds. The Skills center has something there but that may be after hours. By worries, I mean some people feel uneasy about much older age groups being cohoused with elementary kids especially if it is unclear what their background is. I'm not trying to fight but I am surprised by the level of vitriol here.<br /><br />No secrecyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29806317230583191472014-10-21T23:18:04.713-07:002014-10-21T23:18:04.713-07:00@ mirmac - thanks for that, I googled it and found...@ mirmac - thanks for that, I googled it and found some info on transition services for 18-21yrold , medically fragile 18-21yrolds and the locations for 2013-14 - which did not include Lincoln. But thanks for the info about the scope of services provided<br /><br />@enough already - Yes, 13yr olds can be as much of a threat as 20 yrolds these days.<br />What do you define adult? Yes lots are > 16 yrs but probably not that many pushing 20- 21. And I bet almost all are at schools with similar age-groups.<br />No don't think K-8s should be shuttered. They are option schools so folks get to choose. Everyone knows there is a K-8 that is sharing the lincoln site. <br />Yes, I realize some SPS students have been in juvenile detention but it is unlikely that many of those students, if any, are now attending elementary schools or K-8s<br />I am not expecting information about individual students, but you are wrong - SPS is a public institution and I do have a right to know, as does any Seattle taxpayer, basic information about it's programs, services, populations served and locations.<br />I don't doubt your figures but that is not the point here <br /><br />@ will<br />well, you really do think the worst of people don't you.<br />when i said "horrible high needs medical problems"- I mean horrible for the person having to deal with them (i.e as in its horrible to have to have multiple surgeries, or horrible to not be able to control limb movements or have pain etc). I did not mean its horrible for other people to see or be around. Why would you even think that? Transference, maybe?<br /><br />You guys play too rough - I'm gonna pack up my toys and go home now!<br /><br />No secrecyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6975041913940687982014-10-21T23:13:05.116-07:002014-10-21T23:13:05.116-07:00I only know what was reported to me by the distric...I only know what was reported to me by the district.<br /><br />I can say that the district has a zero tolerance policy (unless something changed) for any kind of item that looks like a weapon, even a toy. So yes, if your gen ed daughter pulled it out, the teacher would be required to report it. <br /><br />"These sort of rumors and unfounded worries flourish when people are kept in the dark and would most likely disappear if they shed some light on the situation."<br /><br />What rumors and worries? Look, Charlie and I don't have a lock on finding out info. You can ask. Pick up the phone and call and ask. Ask your Board member to find out. <br /><br />Also don't say you are just curious and then talk about "rumors and worries?"<br /><br />I am baffled by this back and forth here. I am baffled by the snide remarks and unpleasant statements. <br /><br />I don't get this outright hatred of APP but it is not welcome here. <br /><br />What I wrote (as opposed to others) is straight from the district.<br /><br />Either some people are on a very short leash or there are some here trying to start a fight. Either way I can stop it by not allowing comments.<br /><br />Calm down and be civil - otherwise, there's the door.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-80675563872554127922014-10-21T22:43:08.846-07:002014-10-21T22:43:08.846-07:00Dear No Secrecy,
It is wrong to use the adjective ...Dear No Secrecy,<br />It is wrong to use the adjective <br />"horrible" to describe a person's special need. If being around such students produces feelings of horror in you, you need to look very hard in a mirror.<br />WillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58380479844307709832014-10-21T22:21:32.904-07:002014-10-21T22:21:32.904-07:00http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2018513097_...http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2018513097_lastchance24m.html<br />Here is a link to the article in the Seattle Times about the Interagency school.<br />Ex-Linoln momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77787160409472118302014-10-21T21:47:03.012-07:002014-10-21T21:47:03.012-07:00reposted since didn't give name
Anonymous Anon...reposted since didn't give name<br />Anonymous Anonymous said...<br />enough discrimination,<br /><br />For one thing, the average 20 year old adult is much larger than the average 13 year old child.<br /><br />Parents of Licton Springs kindergarten students chose to send their chikdren to a K-8 school. Parents of APP@Lincoln first graders did not. None of them enrolled their children in school this year knowing their would be (non-staff) adults in the building. <br /><br />If I were a Licton Springs parent, I'd be concerned to hear this news today. I'd bet you would too. I'd want to know why the police were called so I could decide if this is a safe situation for my child. It would not make a difference to me if the involved student was receiving special education services.<br /><br />I'd want more info for sure if an Interagency student were involved. In 2012, the Seattle Times wrote this: Called the Interagency Academy, its dozen locations function as a high school for some 500 of the city's toughest to teach — students who have been jailed or expelled, homeless or pregnant, gang-involved or learning disabled. I would not want my six year old in a position to interact with students who've been jailed or gang-involved.<br /><br />Please post a link to the research showing that the 14.5% of SPS students receiving special education services are the perpetrators of only .0999% of the violent acts in our schools.<br /><br />repostedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32029813250657335622014-10-21T21:41:35.603-07:002014-10-21T21:41:35.603-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com