tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post2503124821622932094..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Friday Open ThreadMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38695841460712403012018-01-14T21:37:04.584-08:002018-01-14T21:37:04.584-08:00With the implementation of CORE 24, high school(s)...With the implementation of CORE 24, high school(s) will have less capacity to offer advanced classes. Additional classes will be geared to help those that have failed a class. <br />CBAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29092891312191630962018-01-14T18:31:36.384-08:002018-01-14T18:31:36.384-08:00Through, I have a life. I do not live chained to t...Through, I have a life. I do not live chained to this blog. Sometimes it takes me time to get thru all the comments and then make a decision. I do not see the comments as "hate-filled" but rather as opinionated and unkind. <br /><br />It's funny - I seem to delete the wrong comments left and right. What's a moderator to do?<br /><br />JS equated DACA people with Haitian immigrants. JS, you are wrong to do so. Entitled to your opinion but those are two different situations. You can also consider citizens of other countries "backward" but again, that's your opinion. As well, others say "stone age" about Haiti which is also not true but that's your opinion. <br /><br />"But go ahead and continue blaming whites and America for Hatiti's troubles."<br /><br />Well, Haiti is probably a very different place than it would have been had explorers not come and changed (that's a nice word to use) the country. <br /><br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-56925408899667246932018-01-14T17:11:55.692-08:002018-01-14T17:11:55.692-08:00o it's good to see who reads the blog. don'...o it's good to see who reads the blog. don't delete<br /><br />Great news, Chelsea Manning is running for office. After prison, much of it in solitary, she is not afraid, she's tough as nails.<br /><br /><br />Lovin' it<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-21270328151838473452018-01-14T16:34:39.089-08:002018-01-14T16:34:39.089-08:00A string of comments attempting to give false equi...A string of comments attempting to give false equivalencies (African Americans were enslaved for centuries in the USA, people), hate-filled comments about Haiti (which are basically a string of endorsements for Trump's comments), which culminate in a comparison of Haitians to Neanderthals...<br /><br />On MLK weekend, to boot.<br /><br />No deletions, right Westbrook? You reserve those for progressives and others who counter your narrative.<br /><br />What a disgrace.<br /><br />ThroughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-56905975538688737252018-01-14T14:46:40.344-08:002018-01-14T14:46:40.344-08:00literacy rate for Haiti = 57%
literacy rate for Am...literacy rate for Haiti = 57%<br />literacy rate for America = 87%<br /><br />Murders for 100,000 people for Haiti = 263<br />Murders for 100,000 people for America = 6<br /><br />Consider a few facts. Voodoo is one of the official religions of Haiti, and its designation in 2003 merely granted official acknowledgment to a longstanding reality. The slave revolt that brought Haiti independence indeed relied on voodoo, the New World version of ancestral African faiths. To this day, by various scholarly estimates, 50 percent to 95 percent of Haitians practice at least elements of voodoo, often in conjunction with Catholicism.<br /><br />The lighter-skinned Dominicans looked down on the darker-skinned Haitians: in 1965, even as the Dominican Republic was embroiled in civil war, Haitians were working in Dominican fields and not the other way around. And while Trujillo at least encouraged economic development in his country, Duvalier père et fils essentially sold their people as cheap sugar-cane cutters to the Dominican Republic.<br /><br />But go ahead and continue blaming whites and America for Hatiti's troubles.<br /><br />JSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32264331750661019112018-01-14T12:30:41.159-08:002018-01-14T12:30:41.159-08:00Im glad you brought voo doo into the conversation....Im glad you brought voo doo into the conversation. Neanderthals gave up blood rituals 1000s of years ago. Of coarse the embezzlement of the 13 billion in aid is American republicans fault.<br /><br />JSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57146796858210679432018-01-14T09:26:36.230-08:002018-01-14T09:26:36.230-08:00Thanks NW parent. The New Yorker has a searing pie...Thanks NW parent. The New Yorker has a searing piece on the treatment of Haitians by the US. <br /><br />https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-fixation-on-haiti-and-the-abiding-fear-of-black-self-determination<br /><br />Voodoo ChildAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84706330035924629672018-01-14T08:49:29.587-08:002018-01-14T08:49:29.587-08:00@Bulldog Parent - Typo privilege is NOT something ...@Bulldog Parent - Typo privilege is NOT something someone would want to give up. <br />GrayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12382331367190989282018-01-14T08:48:05.220-08:002018-01-14T08:48:05.220-08:00@Bulldog Parent- The term "disadvantaged"...@Bulldog Parent- The term "disadvantaged" has been used for many years and is still used. <br />The one commenter you quoted is stating they think it is a more useful term than either privilege or advantage. As the commenter states" " Either word implies something that should be removed". The article's author to whom I linked making the point about using term advantage over privilege (who happens to be a male Latino) mentioned privilege is also something someone would want to give up. People are not receptive to the message. Why would you want to give up a privilege? He also makes other points as to why advantage is a better term in his opinion. <br /><br />In addition, I have heard a linguist interviewed on NPR who made the point that the term privilege is already a term with the social meaning "wealth" so utilizing that term in this way "white privilege" can cause confusion, unreceptiveness and can be problematic. If the point is to be heard, this is a consideration. <br /><br />Maybe you can share this article and its responses to the group at Garfield who want to help others understand their very just message. To communicate that some people face systematic disadvantages based upon their race, skin color, primary language spoken, economics, gender, disability, etc. Their are factors such as growing up in foster care etc. Some also face many multiple disadvantages. Also, we can not assume as outsiders we understand all of the disadvantages individual people face or have faced. Sometimes they are not obvious. <br />Gray Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57781641276892186022018-01-14T06:28:06.429-08:002018-01-14T06:28:06.429-08:00A brief history of Haiti:
https://kottke.org/18/0...A brief history of Haiti:<br /><br />https://kottke.org/18/01/how-haiti-became-poor<br /><br />NW Parent<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-2210717302701582552018-01-13T23:41:12.202-08:002018-01-13T23:41:12.202-08:00I can tell by your comment that you bave never bee...I can tell by your comment that you bave never been to Haiti. <br /><br />I apologize for insulting the stone age!<br /><br />JSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28230263000891673362018-01-13T22:01:00.770-08:002018-01-13T22:01:00.770-08:00Now Thurgood Marshall Elementary kids kneeling dur...Now Thurgood Marshall Elementary kids kneeling during pledge of allegiance?<br /> <br />https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/fifth-graders-will-take-a-knee-for-liberty-and-justice-for-all/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12184802046952461302018-01-13T20:05:02.464-08:002018-01-13T20:05:02.464-08:00@Gray
Great response to the article you referenced...@Gray<br />Great response to the article you referenced:<br /><br />"I would argue the real problem is not advantage, which seems like privilege by another name. Either word implies something that should be removed. But the problem is not that white people, or men, or whomever, have unearned advantages that should be taken away. The problem is the set of disadvantages that others have unfairly that should be neutralized. For example, it's not a bad thing that white people don't have to fear cops, it's a bad thing that black people do.<br /><br />The difference is not just semantic. Privilege and advantage are words used to justify cutting people down. Recognition of unfair systemic disadvantage is about raising people up."<br />Steve Foerster<br /><br />Bulldog DadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-70104954600625430652018-01-13T19:07:18.506-08:002018-01-13T19:07:18.506-08:00"will pull Haiti out of stone age?"
See..."will pull Haiti out of stone age?"<br /><br />Seems like you agree with Trump's comments about Haiti; calling them a "stone age" country is even more insulting than his "s***hole country" comment. <br /><br />David Hockney<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49796803886130038912018-01-13T18:42:33.467-08:002018-01-13T18:42:33.467-08:00Why don't you come on Monday and share your th...Why don't you come on Monday and share your thoughts, Mr. Gray? Sounds like you have a lot to contribute.<br /><br />purple puppy<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-917170342722965092018-01-13T18:25:02.369-08:002018-01-13T18:25:02.369-08:00Director Geary did not have her community meeting ...Director Geary did not have her community meeting on the calendar when I wrote this post. I notice that she is tending to announce her meetings at a later date than other directors.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-14322542893028124682018-01-13T17:52:46.850-08:002018-01-13T17:52:46.850-08:00@Bulldog Parent- Here you go, check it out and sha...@Bulldog Parent- Here you go, check it out and share it.<br /> https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2016/11/15/why-its-better-talk-about-advantage-rather-privilege-essay<br />GrayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-51401548449604760642018-01-13T17:44:10.411-08:002018-01-13T17:44:10.411-08:00@Bulldog Parent- I also prefer the term advantages...@Bulldog Parent- I also prefer the term advantages and disadvantages, as privilege is a term that already has a meaning strongly correlated with money and wealth. That was a point made by someone I heard interviewed on NPR. The advantage term would be more useful and understood better especially in relation to poor or working class white people who take offense and assume a different meaning. <br />GrayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45789773814694048432018-01-13T17:32:31.949-08:002018-01-13T17:32:31.949-08:00P.S And I have dark skin for a "white" p...P.S And I have dark skin for a "white" person. <br />GrayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41466837130218323562018-01-13T17:30:49.853-08:002018-01-13T17:30:49.853-08:00@Bulldog parent-- Or you "pass". I am ac...@Bulldog parent-- Or you "pass". I am actually quite mixed in heritage, but I "pass" in certain part of the country, not in others. Yes is a privilege. But yet I don't fit in universally with "white" people around the US either. Kind of depends. Lots to unpack. Class privilege is another huge one. <br />grayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19267103289774891582018-01-13T16:57:08.111-08:002018-01-13T16:57:08.111-08:00As a jew, dear god please stop you're an embar...As a jew, dear god please stop you're an embarrassment.<br /><br />JSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-33022020741440613812018-01-13T13:59:27.147-08:002018-01-13T13:59:27.147-08:00As a Jew, I've heard many a vile slur, frequen...As a Jew, I've heard many a vile slur, frequently from really nice people. The most common is the verb "to jew down"- meaning to get a lower price.<br /><br />The reason I get to hear such slurs is I am white. <br /><br />I also get to hear slurs against blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans, again because I am white.<br /><br />Prejudice is complicated, but people with dark skin get the lion's share of discrimination and abuse.<br /><br />Let's all go to Garfield and see what the kids have to say.<br /><br />Happy MLK Day!<br /><br />Bulldog DadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9527676624269617492018-01-13T13:51:04.143-08:002018-01-13T13:51:04.143-08:00@Gray,
You hit the nail on the head.
What is whi...@Gray,<br /><br />You hit the nail on the head.<br /><br />What is white? What was white throughout our history? What is white privilege?<br /><br />I look forward to hearing what the students have to say any and they would probably enjoy hearing your contributions.<br /><br />Hope to see you at Garfield on Monday!<br /><br />Bulldog DadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82470288366764466532018-01-13T13:13:49.264-08:002018-01-13T13:13:49.264-08:00@Bulldog Parent - The workshops sounds great, it b...@Bulldog Parent - The workshops sounds great, it benefits people to understand more about white privilege. But there is so much that never gets discussed. Each individual hold multiple advantages and privileges and it is not up to people to judge. Historically not all considered white now had the same privilege either. So many gray areas in history and so much people do not know that does not get discussed outside of the university. I would love however to see equal attention paid to class privilege and other privileges. I think that there is more that unite than divide us, and race is constantly being manipulated to divide us. <br /><br />@ PWA- Are Spanish people considered white to you? That's nice because it varies considering who you ask in the US. Are middle eastern? Same thing. Are mediteranean people who were ruled by middle eastern arab people for centuries, were colonized and oppressed for centuries before being labeled "Italian" with the unification of Italy in 1860? They have more in common with other mediteranean people like Syrians, Greeks, Lebanese etc than the people and culture of northern Europe. Are people from Malta (it's right next to Sicily) white? Who is white? Why? Who are oppressors and who is oppressed? Where do you draw that line? <br /><br />Gray<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90345402824501434932018-01-13T11:57:24.398-08:002018-01-13T11:57:24.398-08:00Cynic's comments resonate with me.
The new sc...Cynic's comments resonate with me.<br /><br />The new science standards are tied to Amplify. Amplify sells tests. There are plenty that have the opportunity to profit. In a couple of years, students will be required to pass science test for graduation, again. Another high stake test that will prevent some students from graduating high school. We're looking at a lot of tests to be sold. <br /><br />Disgustednoreply@blogger.com