tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3280851156133251994..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Open Thread FridayMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1875060756622189872011-04-05T14:48:22.646-07:002011-04-05T14:48:22.646-07:00Rosie, I know you've got your feathers all ruf...Rosie, I know you've got your feathers all ruffled up, and I'm not trying to rain on your parade. But I believe that if you have not received a letter from the district itself saying "Rosie Jr. has been assigned to School XYZ", then Rosie Jr is not assigned to School XYZ yet. Is it possible the enrollment packages were mailed to prospective students, based on a previous list you may have signed up for? Maybe the school gets the contact info from the district of who has applied so far and sends material early?<br /><br />Despite my lack of confidence in the district's ability to follow their own rules, I want to believe that they do. Maybe others do as well, and that's why we're asking so many questions. It's not to burst your bubble, and it's likely Rosie Jr. will be assigned to Ingraham. That will certainly be good news for you. But it's not really justified to fault the skeptics who want the district to do what they say they'll do. And the district has said they will not make open enrollment assigments until after the Apr15 application deadline. If the enrollment office has said or is doing something different, hell yes I want to know.Rufus Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13845743506769872632011-04-05T14:04:48.363-07:002011-04-05T14:04:48.363-07:00Maureen, the latter. We got a packet that appears...Maureen, the latter. We got a packet that appears to have been mailed from Ingraham HS that contained all the necessary info for my student to select courses.GenericGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08025309294882782157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4256352679456851662011-04-05T12:07:25.740-07:002011-04-05T12:07:25.740-07:00Rosie, I'm still not completely clear. Did yo...<b>Rosie,</b> I'm still not completely clear. Did you get a letter telling you that your child has been assigned to Ingraham or did you just get materials so you can say which classes she would like to take if she does get assigned there?Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68523919422692660352011-04-05T11:46:52.072-07:002011-04-05T11:46:52.072-07:00One final thought, I take with a complete and larg...One final thought, I take with a complete and large grain of salt any second hand story about what happened to some other student. Thus Rufus's report of what he/she 'heard' happened to someone else, not his or her own child, is entirely likely to be wrong, and certainly shouldn't be the basis for speculating about what the District is up to. <br /><br />Mine was a first person account, so I was able to clarify when asked. Using a fact, (my story) , adding what might or might not be true, then speculating about what the District is or is not doing is where I move towards conspiracy. <br /><br />Sorry for three separate posts.GenericGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08025309294882782157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9632016543480235102011-04-05T11:40:31.487-07:002011-04-05T11:40:31.487-07:00Dorothy, thinking about your "befuddlement ab...Dorothy, thinking about your "befuddlement about timing," at least one HS (Ballard) has sent counselors out to at least one MS (Salmon Bay) to get kids who received Ballard assignment letters signed up for classes. This happened about 2 weeks ago. <br /><br />Personally, it makes sense to me. You can't always do things in a perfectly linear order. Since the vast majority of kids who got an assignment letter will end up at their assigned school, getting a start on understanding what courses those students are going to take makes sense to me. Waiting until whenever the final letters goes out makes an already busy time for counselors (year end/graduation) beyond crazed. <br /><br />Similarly, letting kids who want to go to an underenrolled school know they are in makes equal sense to me. But then I've never been a person to define fairness to mean "absolutely lock step equal treatment for all at all times." Fairness is context dependent, and sometimes, being efficient when possible is the most fair option.GenericGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08025309294882782157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-83221935726629521112011-04-05T11:37:43.986-07:002011-04-05T11:37:43.986-07:00Bird -- the IB Program has no upper or lower numbe...Bird -- the IB Program has no upper or lower numbers limit. No one is "admitted into" the program as a freshman, in the way that, for example, Ballard admits students into one of their various well-loved academies. My understanding is that over 60% of the students at Ingraham take an IB class during their tenure there, so in that sense the majority of kids are in the IB program. A smaller number complete the full requirements of the diploma, a number that has varied between around 40 to around 70 in more recent years. <br /><br />If 300 incoming 9th graders all asked to take honors courses, they would add more sections of honors classes, and offer fewer traditional classes. Again, confirm that with the principal, but that's always what I've heard at PTSA meetings.GenericGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08025309294882782157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-65581712417267504762011-04-05T10:37:46.248-07:002011-04-05T10:37:46.248-07:00Nobody's belittling anyone's personal bit ...Nobody's belittling anyone's personal bit of good news. Just because someone points out a possible discrepancy in what the district says and what their practice is or may be and asks questions, that doesn't mean the person is a conspiracy theorist nor are there any veiled insults for the one whose story pointed out the possible discrepancy.<br /><br />I went through the process a few years ago and now that I'm here again, the process is different. That previous point of reference has shifted. So when the district says A and someone else says actually it's B, it's reasonable to ask questions. Asking those questions doesn't mean anyone needs to take it personally. Sheesh.Rufus Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57554135058948744082011-04-05T10:24:30.621-07:002011-04-05T10:24:30.621-07:00Rosie, I am not sure it is conspiracy theory here ...Rosie, I am not sure it is conspiracy theory here whining. I think it is mostly befuddlement as to the timing. How can they possibly send out enrollment packets before open enrollment is over? They haven't done a good job historically predicting what schools will fill, so it seems premature to send that out. It doesn't fit with any stated procedures. If it is a new procedure, when was it developed and what is their metric for deciding who they can accept before open enrollment is over?<br /><br />That's how I read Rufus X in particular. If his evidence about a student in the Franklin area who has already gotten accepted to Garfield is accurate, then eyebrows really ought to be raised. <br /><br />So is it good news that you got enrollment package from Ingraham already? Does that ensure that your child is accepted? I think folks here are more skeptical than whining. Your interpretation may vary, of course. Time will tell if this is a phenomenon that is good or shows some process issues somewhere.Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77725086692666739562011-04-05T10:05:32.701-07:002011-04-05T10:05:32.701-07:00Rosie,
Is the IB program traditionally underrolle...Rosie,<br /><br />Is the IB program traditionally underrolled at Ingrahm?Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16540428343439198125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30891439905621900672011-04-05T09:56:09.824-07:002011-04-05T09:56:09.824-07:00I stand in awe of how the conspiracy theorists at ...I stand in awe of how the conspiracy theorists at this blog worked so hard to turn my own bit of personal good news into some "the District isn't following its own rules (again!!!!)" scandal. <br /><br />Maybe that's why this blog has so much whining and griping -- because even good news gets morphed beyond recognition in just a few comments. Sure makes me leery of ever saying anything positive here again.GenericGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08025309294882782157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-34287617021868157622011-04-05T09:22:40.364-07:002011-04-05T09:22:40.364-07:00"SP -- Specifically, I got an enrollment pack..."SP -- Specifically, I got an enrollment package from Ingraham HS."<br /><br />OK, so Rosie's daughter didn't get an official school assignment letter from the district. Whew. She got an "enrollment package" from Ingraham. Those are two very different things.<br /><br />Maybe the district advised the school of whom, thus far, requested Ingraham as their first choice? Since Ingraham had almost 200 empty seats last year, the school could pretty safely assume that these students would be assigned to them, and perhaps they were being proactive in sending out the enrollment package??<br /><br />Who knows?anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03716725891562757052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50460854455153771322011-04-04T15:46:46.747-07:002011-04-04T15:46:46.747-07:00Also heard - 8th grader rising to 9th (not APP) wh...Also heard - 8th grader rising to 9th (not APP) whose assignment for 9th would be Franklin due to the boundary shift northward effective 2011-2012 (NSAP Area 1 Garfield/Franklin boundary), but applied for and has been assigned to Garfield.<br /><br />I have little confidence that the district is following their own "we process the applications all at once after Apr15" protocol.Rufus Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-61971609276326445332011-04-04T15:31:39.378-07:002011-04-04T15:31:39.378-07:00re: Rosie & Ingraham enrollment -
I'm re...re: Rosie & Ingraham enrollment - <br /><br />I'm really confused. The district's open enrollment site still says "Open Enrollment is March 15-April 15, 2011. Applications may be submitted at any time during that period, there is no benefit to submitting an application either earlier or later during Open Enrollment. All applications received during Open Enrollment are processed together after April 15, 2011."<br /><br />Can someone point me to information that Ingraham's new program is playing by different rules than the rest of us applying during open enrollment? Or are there facts I'm missing, like maybe there was a boundary shift that incorporated Rosie's home address into the Ingraham zone when it had previously been a Ballard zone? I don't want to call the enrollment office and be all "I hear you're already assigning open enrollment students, whassupwithdat?" if we're missing some key info points here.Rufus Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32976072359405086272011-04-04T12:37:35.159-07:002011-04-04T12:37:35.159-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Megan Mchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08526624057081098551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20103403451651158652011-04-04T11:24:04.309-07:002011-04-04T11:24:04.309-07:00Dear Barely Hanging on,
If you wish to send a few...Dear Barely Hanging on,<br /><br />If you wish to send a few bucks, you can PayPal to dempsey_dan@yahoo.com or my address 1330 7th Ave SE, Olympia, WA 98501-1622<br /><br />I have the Gov. Gregoire recall coming up in a couple of weeks. {Note Recalls are free but appeals cost money} I will be filing the Supreme Court appeal in the Dorn recall case in about a week.<br /><br />Anyone who finds my recall filings for Dorn or Gregoire as harassment.... Read the filings and explain how these are not legally justified.<br /><br />I would say that Dorn's was in fact legally sufficient, which is why I am appealing.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45736462662319918722011-04-04T11:14:01.904-07:002011-04-04T11:14:01.904-07:00SP -- Specifically, I got an enrollment package fr...SP -- Specifically, I got an enrollment package from Ingraham HS. Again, it's not a "popular" school. It's not surprising to me that SPS would quickly respond to those of us who want into a school that is less popular. It makes equal sense that they wait until the deadline passes to figure out who gets to go to the "popular" schools in their choice seats.GenericGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08025309294882782157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-63085883117087290652011-04-04T09:30:16.305-07:002011-04-04T09:30:16.305-07:00Here is my third try to get this to stick. Seems ...Here is my third try to get this to stick. Seems to be going to Cyber-Wasteland....<br /><br />Now we have a similar action in Pierce County Superior Court in the Randy Dorn “Recall Sufficiency Hearing” of March 30, 2011. RCW 28A.655.071 contains the following:<br /><br /><i><b>(2) By January 1, 2011, the superintendent of public instruction shall submit to the education committees of the house of representatives and the senate:<br /><br /> (a) A detailed comparison of the provisionally adopted standards and the state essential academic learning requirements as of June 10, 2010, including the comparative level of rigor and specificity of the standards and the implications of any identified differences; and<br /><br /> (b) An estimated timeline and costs to the state and to school districts to implement the provisionally adopted standards, including providing necessary training, realignment of curriculum, adjustment of state assessments, and other actions.</b></i><br /><br />Judge Beverly Grant ruled the “By January 1, 2011” was directory and not an imperative. Her justification was Niichel v. Lancaster, which I see as an attempt to apply “Case Law” where it does not apply.<br /><br />The legislature writes laws, which are apparently unintelligible to the judiciary as well as former Chief Justice Talmadge and me.<br /><br />More information on this is available at the bottom of <a href="http://www.school-truth.com/dorn.html" rel="nofollow">this webpage</a>.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20819321521219440382011-04-04T00:45:39.737-07:002011-04-04T00:45:39.737-07:00Snooki doesn’t even deserve the right or privilege...Snooki doesn’t even deserve the right or privilege to have her name in the same sentence with Toni Morrison!! And never thought in my entire life that I would read anything that included both Snooki and Toni Morrison in the same vein of discussion, but props to Rutgers for making it.Atlanta Roofinghttp://www.hotfrog.com/Companies/Atlanta-Roofing-Resourcesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-26165169535044284122011-04-03T22:44:05.325-07:002011-04-03T22:44:05.325-07:00Put me in the "barely hanging on" catego...Put me in the "barely hanging on" category, but, Dan is there a way we could send you something to help with some of these fees? <br /><br />Signed, barely hanging but would like to help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77118767475198925692011-04-03T20:18:13.472-07:002011-04-03T20:18:13.472-07:00I am going to spend the $280 to appeal the Randy D...I am going to spend the $280 to appeal the Randy Dorn recall sufficiency hearing decision.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.school-truth.com/GovChris.html" rel="nofollow">Next I shall find out</a> if the Court thinks the Governor has an obligation to follow the Constitution Washington State.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41766224200834328122011-04-03T20:06:05.811-07:002011-04-03T20:06:05.811-07:00The King County Superior Court has neglected the “...The King County Superior Court has neglected the <b><i>“shall rule”</i></b> and has not offered even an explanation of why it has done so. It is particularly difficult to see how in the failure to enforce the imperative obligation of RCW 28A 645.020, the court saw either unconstitutional or contrary to legislative intent.<br /><br />RCW 28A 645.020: <b>Within twenty days of service</b> of the notice of appeal, the school board, at its expense, or the school official, at such official's expense, <b>shall file the complete transcript</b> of the evidence and the papers and exhibits relating to the decision for which a complaint has been filed. <b><i>Such filings shall be certified to be correct</i></b>.<br /><br />As the legislation contains an 8-word last sentence with the “Shall” imperative, how can the Superior Court choose to ignore the statute and without explanation?<br /><br />Within twenty days of service “Shall File” has also been ignored without explanation by King County Superior Court judges.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-26258640299282549492011-04-03T20:04:17.032-07:002011-04-03T20:04:17.032-07:00Melissa,
Good call on the rejection of April Fool...Melissa,<br /><br />Good call on the rejection of April Fools’ Day Jokes. The concern about ethics, budgets, and processes is not just an SPS concern. I have the same concern for the legislature and the judicial system.<br /><br />At least a person or two has taken serious issue with my actions and views, consider the following, which I believe supports my actions => former WA Supreme Court Chief Justice Phil Talmadge wrote:<br />----<br /><i>”Washington courts have uncritically employed an artificial paradigm for statutory construction. Despite ferment in the federal courts and scholarly journals on the proper role of the judiciary in interpreting statutes, <b>Washington courts have not assessed whether its existing<br />paradigm adequately implements legislative intent,</b> the theoretical touchstone for the courts. Moreover, <b>the courts' application of the paradigm is inconsistent and episodic</b>. Hence, <b>it is difficult to determine what rules actually apply at what time.</b></i>”<br /><br />Additionally Talmadge wrote:<br /><br />“<i>[t]he dictionary definition rule, which says a court should follow a recognized dictionary's definition of terms unless the legislature has provided a specific definition;<br /><br />and <b>the "shall" rule</b>, which indicates that the term "may" is permissive, and does not create a statutory duty, but <b>the term "shall" usually creates an imperative obligation unless unconstitutional or contrary to legislative intent</b></i>.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9038584800775290352011-04-03T09:07:03.493-07:002011-04-03T09:07:03.493-07:00Nice, Too Close! A reply from the superintendent A...Nice, Too Close! A reply from the superintendent AND an acknowledgement that things need attention.<br /><br />Becoming more hopeful.seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11708157101480504602011-04-02T22:42:15.092-07:002011-04-02T22:42:15.092-07:00An actual thoughtful response from SPS!
I wrote D...An actual thoughtful response from SPS!<br /><br />I wrote Dr. Enfield about the incoherency of the order of events for entering 9th graders next year. <br /><br />1) Open choice enrollment begins<br />2) Misinformation about seat availability provided.<br />3) Transportation information provided.<br />4) Students sign up for classes at a school they have no intention of attending.<br />5) Information about open seat availability revised.<br />6) Open choice enrollment ends.<br />7) Private school decisions due.<br />8) SPS assignments finalized, or<br />9) Waitlisted for a long, hot summer.<br /><br />She actually acknowledged this needs some work! Sure beats the "you must be too stupid to understand our logic" of the previous super and still employed staff!!!!!!!<br /><br />Signed, too close to homeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-54964740959369041072011-04-02T11:36:07.231-07:002011-04-02T11:36:07.231-07:00Rosie,
Is your daughter in the Hamilton Internati...Rosie,<br /><br />Is your daughter in the Hamilton International program?<br /><br />This might account for her getting into Ingraham early through the International pathway.<br /><br />Your daughter will love Ingraham.<br /><br />Ingraham ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com