tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3448611063304556678..comments2024-03-28T23:38:22.511-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Open Thread: Waitlists and AssignmentsMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-10257167708675101782014-09-12T09:44:05.842-07:002014-09-12T09:44:05.842-07:00If you are in the Garfield boundaries, your child ...If you are in the Garfield boundaries, your child has access to many of the AP classes that the APP cohort accesses, all without having to test in. Because of the APP cohort, there are more AP classes offered at Garfield than at other comprehensive high schools. If the cohort leaves Garfield, will there be enough of a demand to offer so many AP classes? Also, AP does not equal IB. They are different, and I hope the district realizes that IB needs to be a choice, not the only option.<br /><br />And 1800 at Garfield?! Wow. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-86371102879478541232014-09-12T09:42:42.064-07:002014-09-12T09:42:42.064-07:00Does anyone have any idea what the enrollment at t...Does anyone have any idea what the enrollment at the other high schools might be?Bulldognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60867742029683212772014-09-12T09:12:10.927-07:002014-09-12T09:12:10.927-07:00Well, the cynic in me thinks that maybe the Garfie...Well, the cynic in me thinks that maybe the Garfield staff do believe it's a bubble! <br /><br />I fully expect an IBx program at Rainier Beach in the near future to take pressure off both Garfield and Ingraham. What's the current capacity there? Under 600? It's the only place with excess capacity. And what population is the most "movable"? APP.<br /><br />The question becomes how many/whether any APP students stay at Garfield in the years to come. Because only kids who were in APP in 8th grade are able to access Garfield, it's something of an equity issue not to allow new-to-the district or newly eligible 9th graders to have access. But, if the only 2 APP highschools are IBx programs and they let "new" APP students enroll as they do now with Ingraham, voila, equity is restored. And, they are claiming that all neighborhood high schools will have counselors and a variety of classes to handle highly capable kids, so it isn't much of a stretch to imagine the Garfield option going away, being considered unnecessary. Neighborhood APP kids will still go there (or to IBx) but everyone else will go to a local school or an IBx program.<br /><br />Not trying to start rumors - just seeing the writing on the wall.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777580098975083499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-65895211656300349312014-09-12T07:45:35.638-07:002014-09-12T07:45:35.638-07:00I don't see how Garfield, Roosevelt or Ballard...I don't see how Garfield, Roosevelt or Ballard will be able to remain 3A schools if they keep expanding like this. <br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-2020174679692180292014-09-11T21:03:00.076-07:002014-09-11T21:03:00.076-07:00"Bubble." That's hysterical!
And v..."Bubble." That's hysterical!<br /><br />And very, very, troubling.<br /><br />- North-end MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43847744843180821382014-09-11T20:03:29.326-07:002014-09-11T20:03:29.326-07:00They report at the Freshman night at Garfield that...They report at the Freshman night at Garfield that there are 1800 students. They were calling it a "bubble."<br /><br />Is there anyone at SPS working on High School? What happens when all these students who are in the new middle schools go to high school. Bulldognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76923692749024637752014-09-11T19:18:01.739-07:002014-09-11T19:18:01.739-07:00@CCA, yes of course there are afternoon classes at...@CCA, yes of course there are afternoon classes at the community college. But there are a heckuva lot more of them in the morning, especially the core classes that fulfill graduation requirements, and which the students had planned on taking before the earlier start time messed things up. Maybe next year the high school capacity crunch will be the thing that gets us a later start time...<br /><br />sidneyd<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77446293936126912112014-09-11T03:07:30.778-07:002014-09-11T03:07:30.778-07:00Can't RS classes be taken at end of school day...Can't RS classes be taken at end of school day (or in evening) instead of beginning? First 4 classes in HS & then RS classes?<br /><br />CCAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45244978044228211352014-09-10T21:50:18.509-07:002014-09-10T21:50:18.509-07:00The district short-sightedly trashed one of the ca...The district short-sightedly trashed one of the capacity mitigators - Running Start, by moving the HS start times ten minutes earlier. That ten minutes means the difference between taking one class at RS or being able to take two. The more kids who are out of the building for RS classes, the less crowded classes are at school. The HS start times need to be later to take advantage of this bonus.<br /><br />sidneydAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23442712613598133062014-09-10T19:50:15.794-07:002014-09-10T19:50:15.794-07:00Thanks step J for the clarification on a wait list...Thanks step J for the clarification on a wait list even swap, that makes a lot more sense!Spruiternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-36017654558131213172014-09-10T13:29:00.575-07:002014-09-10T13:29:00.575-07:00@Kellie
I'm not sure about JAMS having breath...@Kellie<br /><br />I'm not sure about JAMS having breathing room. Phase I of the building repurposing did not yield all the classrooms for JAMS to have its intended capacity (approximately 960 students). There are 4 portables onsite, which probably help, but there are still a number of classrooms, including science labs, which will need to come online before the school can comfortably handle more than 750 or so students.<br /><br />-North-end MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40698463234266287052014-09-10T12:24:33.949-07:002014-09-10T12:24:33.949-07:00Opening JAMS did help but middle school is still g...Opening JAMS did help but middle school is still going to be a challenge. The current 6th grade class is the cohort that was large enough to start triggering the opening of new elementary schools. When that cohort gets to high school in a three years, something will have to be different. <br /><br />There is no official information. However, I think HIMS is still around 1,000 students this year and the 6th grade class is nearly 400. While both JAMS and Eckstein now have breathing room, their 6th grade cohorts are also close to 400. <br /><br />I don't know what they will do with Hamilton next year. The cohort scheduled for Hamilton for next year is even larger than the cohort for this year. kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13187674823503476232014-09-10T11:22:10.970-07:002014-09-10T11:22:10.970-07:00Right! I must still be in denial re: the possibili...Right! I must still be in denial re: the possibility of split shifts or alternate schedules. Completely blotted it out of my memory! Ugh. But thanks for the grim reminder, Lynn.<br /><br />HIMSmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-748064806340278182014-09-10T10:58:43.334-07:002014-09-10T10:58:43.334-07:00If we go to split H.S. schedules, won't that c...If we go to split H.S. schedules, won't that completely mess with any idea of swapping high school times with the (now) later elementary school times? Maybe that's one reason staff doesn't seem too keen on pursuing the start time issue?<br /><br />I'll have a student in high school when the overcrowding hits big time so I am following this closely.<br /><br />SavvyVoter<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-61257738441161079062014-09-10T10:44:11.895-07:002014-09-10T10:44:11.895-07:00Joe mentioned here that he'd given Shauna Heat...Joe mentioned here that he'd given Shauna Heath info on year-round schedules and split schedules. He said the short-term solution would come from Teaching & Learning. (Makes no sense to me - isn't capacity management what operations does?<br /><br />I have heard second hand that the assumption is we'll move to split schedules before Lincoln is available. It will take time to set up master schedules for that and would require negotiations with various unions - so I think we'll have some warning. I wish they'd start talking about it now.Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-15428356198874313942014-09-10T10:28:10.989-07:002014-09-10T10:28:10.989-07:00So I know Joe Wolf has engaged here before re: pos...So I know Joe Wolf has engaged here before re: possible other options for expanding HS capacity in addition to the reopening of Lincoln, but as best I can tell, his additional proposals were all for implementation AFTER Lincoln comes on line. How on earth are we going to squeeze all these kids in over the next four years, before we get that new space? <br /><br />To note, even after the JAMS split, Hamilton is very full--with an especially large 6th grade class. I don't have final numbers, but over a week before school started there were already about 385 6th graders registered.<br /><br />HIMSmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-9268108713554019652014-09-10T07:11:27.477-07:002014-09-10T07:11:27.477-07:00@ Math Counts
There are no official numbers but I...@ Math Counts<br /><br />There are no official numbers but I have been hearing some pretty big numbers at high school. <br /><br />There is a systemic flaw in the projections that keep causing the gap between my personal enrollment projections and the official enrollment projections. The official enrollment projections are based on a 5 year average. However a 5 year average is useless when there is a rapid increase every year. <br /><br />The current 12th grade class is the year where enrollment started to grow as a Kindergarten cohort. As such, it is the first of the larger class sizes that are coming through the system and that means this year is the first year where all 4 years of high school are full with larger cohort sizes AND students who accessed high school via the geographic system. <br /><br />If you look at the High School Enrollment Data that I posted above, it is easy to see that the cohort sizes for ALL the high school are stable and growing. This is now the beginning of high school enrollment exploding. kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-16116902502564586772014-09-10T07:05:30.280-07:002014-09-10T07:05:30.280-07:00To add additional clarification, in "effect&q...To add additional clarification, in "effect" all choice spots are trades because several of the high schools are "right-sized" and therefore the choice seats at School A are created by students who get a different choice seat and vacate their seat at School A. <br /><br />In effect it is a great big game of musical chairs and the wait lists stop moving when there there is no space for the musical chairs to keep going. There is no jumping spots. However, there are schools that can be confidently "over-enrolled" by a few students with the confidence that as the wait lists collapse, more students will leave the school than are placed into the school. <br /><br />Here is the 9th grade wait list for high school. <br /><br />Ballard 43<br />Sealth 19<br />Cleveland 63<br />Franklin 84<br />Garfield 71<br />Ingraham 28<br />Hale 51<br />Roosevelt 18<br />WSHS 10<br /><br />All of those students are already enrolled at a school. Moving the 28 Students into Ingraham and then moving the wait list from the schools they depart would effectively cause significant movement in the 18 at Roosevelt, 43 at Ballard and 51 at Hale, since those students are the bulk of the wait list. it would also cause some movement at the other schools that are geographically further away. <br /><br />What this would "look like" to many folks would be trades because everyone will wind up with the same number of students in the end. This is because historically, Ingraham attendance area loses 1.5 choice students for every choice student it imports and as such, it is unlikely that Ingraham would grow very much in that process. kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-55022960910616388802014-09-09T23:47:43.923-07:002014-09-09T23:47:43.923-07:00THanks StepJ for clarification!
Signed: Math Coun...THanks StepJ for clarification!<br /><br />Signed: Math Counts (from above)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11640150489379340382014-09-09T23:36:38.456-07:002014-09-09T23:36:38.456-07:00Wait lists are only moved in a per numbered fashio...Wait lists are only moved in a per numbered fashion.<br /><br />So no wait jumping as Spruiter suggests. <br /><br />If No. 1 wait listed at Hale is enrolled at Roosevelt, and the No. 1 wait-listed at Roosevelt is enrolled at Hale - they will do an even swap. <br /><br />But, no number 3 for number 3 or anything to skip one or two on the wait-list.<br /><br />No need to add drama to an already stressful situation.<br /><br />-StepJ<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-35666177846049406672014-09-09T23:14:15.002-07:002014-09-09T23:14:15.002-07:00And absolutely agree with Spruiter about the "...And absolutely agree with Spruiter about the "jump" effect of wait-list swaps being unfair. In an era of excessive capacity at numerous points in the system, it's not necessary penalizing students - but in this era where almost nowhere has a seat, the effect would be only the "haves" with a "good" seat to swap would be able to do so.<br /><br />Not a system we should endorse or create. <br /><br />Signed: Math CountsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58743423301777213732014-09-09T23:10:56.131-07:002014-09-09T23:10:56.131-07:00Looking at Updated Spring 2014 projections for hig...Looking at Updated Spring 2014 projections for high schools, revised Spring 2014 based on Open enrollment data: <br /><br />These are the PROJECTED October Headcounts/ 2014-15 enrollments: <br /><br />Ballard 1648<br />Ingraham 1220<br />Hale 1146<br />Roosevelt 1712 <br /><br />Is Ballard REALLY 100 over projection? <br /><br />Garfield 1612 <br />West Sea 1008<br />Franklin 1294<br />Rainier Beach 562<br /><br />Signed: Math countsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32138528305719897912014-09-09T10:37:44.457-07:002014-09-09T10:37:44.457-07:00How do running start students get figured into enr...How do running start students get figured into enrollment numbers? With large numbers of high school 11th and 12th graders taking college classes through running start, that allows for more available seats at the high schools right? <br /><br />Also, for high school wait list even swaps - I'd be pretty upset if my kid was enrolled at an unpopular school, was #1 on a wait list at a popular school, and then was line jumped by a kid who was already enrolled at another popular school. Why should families who live in neighborhoods with popular schools have access to 2 popular schools, limiting other families access to one? Spruiternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32244383371783924212014-09-09T10:01:24.596-07:002014-09-09T10:01:24.596-07:00As far as putting portables on sports fields:
1)I ...As far as putting portables on sports fields:<br />1)I suspect that there is much more use of Parks Dept fields by the school district than the other way around. Canceling any agreements would probably just result in canceling ALL sports, as well as really interfering with PE classes (which I believe is a state requiremnt). It would also affect the elementary & middle schools, many of which use parks dept property for PE and recess. <br />2) Fire safety includes having open spaces for the kids to assemble in the event of a fire or other emergency. In many cases, I suspect the playfields fullfill this purpose. <br /><br />Mom of 4Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38130873654322453702014-09-09T09:59:24.726-07:002014-09-09T09:59:24.726-07:00@ap - Which high school are you referring to?
Tha...@ap - Which high school are you referring to?<br /><br />Thanks, NPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com