tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post3859904859311061264..comments2024-03-29T02:41:52.718-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: What's Up With the Security Cameras at Washington Middle School?Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73237815771179170172017-01-02T10:06:13.129-08:002017-01-02T10:06:13.129-08:00I think we will end this discussion here.I think we will end this discussion here.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42427048833321036482017-01-01T11:01:41.020-08:002017-01-01T11:01:41.020-08:00Since you are clearly a professional writer or edi...Since you are clearly a professional writer or editor I would appreciate you highlighting/marking or correcting my work as a means of demonstrating what you found confusing and in turn led you to mistread my posts<br /><br />Clearly as illustrated by your well written and compsed posts I could benefit from editing<br /><br />So please feel free to rewrite them as I welcome such positive feedback as a means to improve my written communication skills <br /><br />Or perhaps it really was a poor version of ad hominem attack as you made inferences with regards to my post as something that personally inflamed you? Please be less cryptic and next time just call a spade a spade<br /><br /><br />Oh wait that last comment could be inferred as racist .. so sorry <br /><br />-Former SPSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-65739488907355080372016-12-31T16:02:16.704-08:002016-12-31T16:02:16.704-08:00sorry former, your post read like someone who pedd...sorry former, your post read like someone who peddles in hyperbole and who struggles with sight words. i read your post one of the several ways it could be based on your poor composition. again sorry.<br /><br /><br />no capsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20797589422372877902016-12-31T06:02:52.078-08:002016-12-31T06:02:52.078-08:00no caps
what abusive nonsense are you spouting he...no caps<br /><br />what abusive nonsense are you spouting here. Where did I say "I new that" could you highlight that for me.<br /><br />And since you are a skilled linguist and your post is laden with grammatical and punctuation errors perhaps you could explain what in the post structure is illogical and incorrect.<br /><br />Thanks looking forward to your copy editing and proofreading skills to lend import to a comment section on a blog. I was unaware that Thesis level composition was required but since you are here to offer such I look forward to it. <br /><br />And for the record I was never a Teacher in SPS but you appear to have attended SPS given your amazing articulate manner <br /><br />- Former SPS'er Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30974521943144831712016-12-31T00:17:07.411-08:002016-12-31T00:17:07.411-08:00hum so "you new that" did you former, an...hum so "you new that" did you former, and you got paid to teach my kids? and oh on grammar; please grammarian god tell me that this mc-spinoff never taught anyone anything to do with anything. not one sentence that couldn't be splintered off as illogical and yet profoundly grammatically incorrect too. and i know the pot, so this kettle has nothing to really argue, but yikes you can run but you can't hide. <br /><br />no caps <br /><br />oh and the fact that x was propositioned by y (a youth) and didn't report it seems outside the rules of engagement. have it happen repeatedly; there is a serious question here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40327908612386768672016-12-30T14:50:46.279-08:002016-12-30T14:50:46.279-08:00I work in violent laden schools. The last school I...I work in violent laden schools. The last school I was at the Teacher removed a girl which was because I was new she had a history of harming new staff.. her response when leaving was "I only hit that last one once" <br /><br />I had a kid trail me with a laser pen as is if it was a gun, when I complained that I felt afraid I was told "you don't understand our children" I see, as the last Teacher there understood them by performing oral sex and having sex with several male students. That is understanding in a whole new way. The student Teacher who was assigned to her thought it was odd that the boys kept coming onto her sexually but thought it was an age thing.. but then I have had three boys and one girl approach me in a sexual manner and I am well over 50. Must be a Southern thing right? <br /><br />So let's see how cameras would protect on both ends.. shall we?<br /><br />- Former SPS'erAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-5722065982358115122016-12-30T08:01:43.373-08:002016-12-30T08:01:43.373-08:00Don't you want to rethink the whole setup, rat...Don't you want to rethink the whole setup, rather than continue to widen the police state road?<br />RLFranciscoRLFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15852167175515568400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58533588357867671622016-12-30T06:46:33.866-08:002016-12-30T06:46:33.866-08:00WS Dad,
Thank you. I have read so many attacks o...WS Dad,<br /><br />Thank you. I have read so many attacks of late on Teachers and the increasing violence in schools I am pro camera in every room. <br /><br />They lock bathrooms here and escort kids to them as well due to violence. <br /><br />The police state is here. I just think we should all wear body cams. <br /><br />- Former SPS'erAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76097698354800774982016-12-29T11:30:44.717-08:002016-12-29T11:30:44.717-08:00Nashville Teacher,
I believe you are thinking abou...Nashville Teacher,<br />I believe you are thinking about the Teacher/Student murder case in Danvers, MA, north of Boston.<br /><br />WS DadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6934806983360767652016-12-27T11:16:39.719-08:002016-12-27T11:16:39.719-08:00Well, everyone should know that all school buses ...Well, everyone should know that all school buses have security cameras already, so what's the big deal about cafeterias? <br /><br />Btw. Most of the cafeteria "staff" working lunches are actually people hired to work in special education, IAs. Instead, they work in the cafeteria so everyone else's kids are supervised. Special education students - well, they can fund the lunch supervision of the whole school, right? So, IAs are the ones that would be video'ed if there was a cafeteria camera. The contract to inspect is the CBA for instructional assistants. IAs are allowed to decline being video'ed, and are instructed to exercise that "right" to refuse video at IEPs when parents wish to video their IEP meetings. All staff is supposed to say "no" to being video'd in an IEP meeting, when parents request that, which is often. It's a tactic. We wouldn't want anybody to really know what happened at IEP meetings would we? We surely don't want anybody to know what was promised to families, but not delivered, nor why. And, we really, really don't want to know about the staff behavior at IEP meetings. Could get ugly! Best to refuse the video at IEP meetings. Cafeteria, well that's wide open.<br /><br />Sped StaffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28571913606463993222016-12-27T10:06:39.562-08:002016-12-27T10:06:39.562-08:00I might not have a problem with in-school cameras ...I might not have a problem with in-school cameras except the district has no policy around their use. That makes for major privacy issues that could land the district in court. <br /><br />And again, principals should not be making safety decisions for their schools. That's the district's job.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6672545587631992042016-12-27T03:18:39.928-08:002016-12-27T03:18:39.928-08:00And Denny Parent it showed that the camera's w...And Denny Parent it showed that the camera's worked, mistaken identity and the whole ID thing that we talk about in criminal law and body camera's are supposed to at least reduce that element.<br /><br />Again, your child was not harmed. Falsely accused of a minor violation frankly idiotic but whatever and thankfully the camera exonerated him/her.<br /><br />So now if it was your child who was assaulted or accused of assaulting someone and that camera could help resolve this.. what would your feelings say then?<br /><br />Yes we agree lunch crumbs are idiotic waste of both time and effort but violence, crime and safety.. sorry but I am pro cameras everywhere. Including classrooms<br /><br />- Former SPS'er Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1001380303621752582016-12-26T23:20:55.486-08:002016-12-26T23:20:55.486-08:00I do know that Denny has cameras because my child ...I do know that Denny has cameras because my child got called in for not cleaning up their tray(they didn't buy lunch). They were then brought into review footage, at which time they pointed out the student on the camera was not them. I have very mixed feelings about this.Denny Parentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-37610749368721824132016-12-26T14:57:00.803-08:002016-12-26T14:57:00.803-08:00MS206
If you have interacted with Ms. Follmer, yo...MS206<br /><br />If you have interacted with Ms. Follmer, you must know that "honest" and "forthright" are WAY below her pay grade and really only apply to little people.<br /><br />It also says that SSD spends way too much on "Instructional leaders" who obsess on who leaves a messy table.<br /><br />Elsanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19683377597829202082016-12-26T05:20:01.692-08:002016-12-26T05:20:01.692-08:00MS206
I teach in Nashville we are camera and cop ...MS206<br /><br />I teach in Nashville we are camera and cop happy here. I am not sure but wasn't it in your area the videos were used to help find the student who murdered and raped a Teacher a couple of years ago?<br /><br />The idea of cameras in public areas are a growing issue and it is one that is Catch 22. However the 'story' of the kid walking into a lunchroom at Ingraham High last week throwing down a backpack screaming "Allah Akabar" would be easily confirmed/denied with a video vs rumor mongering.<br /><br />The school in Lakeshore used hallway/door video to realize that a Teacher lied about being attacked in a classroom and that in fact the Teacher did it to himself so another good reason why I applaud cameras.<br /><br />However the back story of WMS is that when the Principal was asked about it she said it was to see who was not clearing up after themselves.. instead of being honest/forthright that there have been increasing complaints and discipline issues in the school of late and having cameras add another eye to the situation. Follmer has serious other issues in the school which is really the reason for the backlash. <br /><br />It is not the camera it is the way it was presented and if you met Follmer or read the staff surveys you would know that the iceberg and the tip are being introduced. <br /><br />I frankly would have no problem having cameras in the classroom and realizing that only FOIA acts and criminal subpoena's would allow anyone outside of the school to view them. They would be a good thing for both students and teachers. But then again I teach in a district where 6 year old assaulted a Teacher and a high school where a Teacher was beaten unconscious and it was only the kids filming that provided evidence. Another where not one but two homicides occurred on campus - one during graduation.<br /><br />Come to the South its great!!!<br /><br />- Former SPS'erAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64390092440902070542016-12-25T13:34:52.017-08:002016-12-25T13:34:52.017-08:00I teach in Philadelphia and all of the schools run...I teach in Philadelphia and all of the schools run by The School District of Philadelphia have surveillance cameras in public areas such as the lunchroom, hallways, stairwells, and entrances. I don't know what the policies are regarding usage of the cameras, although there are policies in place. I think that the cameras are a good thing. They can provide footage of serious incidents like fights. There need to be clear policies around how video is to be used.Ms206https://www.blogger.com/profile/11815010211309994388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-33124698922417400412016-12-24T23:30:07.663-08:002016-12-24T23:30:07.663-08:00HF, you're right. I'm wrong. Sorry.HF, you're right. I'm wrong. Sorry.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20705136012652332252016-12-24T04:38:41.929-08:002016-12-24T04:38:41.929-08:00I have worked there in the past (as in last year) ...I have worked there in the past (as in last year) and have no intention of setting foot in that dump again. <br /><br />I know of two subs who were told to do lunchroom duty, they refused. <br /><br />Interesting that they now have Police and a security officer. Police at a middle school, wow. One wonders why the other two (both useless clearly as I met them and yes they were) did transfer? More casualties of her Majesty. <br /><br />- Old TimerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32382248502450569062016-12-23T16:21:14.895-08:002016-12-23T16:21:14.895-08:00Old Timer
Washington has ONE Security Specialist ...Old Timer<br /><br />Washington has ONE Security Specialist and a police officer. Neither is in the lunchroom during lunch.<br /><br />There WERE TWO Security Specialists assigned to Washington until this year when both requested transfers to different schools.<br /><br />Why not visit and see for yourself.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-63680253133951919832016-12-23T16:14:30.844-08:002016-12-23T16:14:30.844-08:00So let me see... WMS has at least 3 Security offic...So let me see... WMS has at least 3 Security officers, two VP Admins and there are ample staff who for extra compensation could sit through any and all lunches. Where I live now all staff are required to take a shift in the lunchroom so this issue could be resolved. <br /><br />So what about Madison, Hamilton, Denny or Whitman.. are they having such problems that they too need cameras? <br /><br />Once again this is about her Majesty and her own problems dealing with students and staff. <br /><br />- Old Timer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-36672021361318954282016-12-23T14:36:02.463-08:002016-12-23T14:36:02.463-08:00Kitchen staff (who are busy during "lunch&quo...Kitchen staff (who are busy during "lunch") are represented by Local 609 of the Operating Engineers Union. <br /><br />ALL members of Local 609 are expressedly protected by contract from video or other electronic surveillance in the workplace.<br /><br />There are rarely more than 1 or 2 adults in Washington's lunchroom during most lunches.<br /><br />Thanks Charlie,Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-24917904098418362342016-12-23T13:45:00.453-08:002016-12-23T13:45:00.453-08:00Uhh, actually, Charlie, my comment WAS the origina...Uhh, actually, Charlie, my comment WAS the original one, as in comment #1. Dave's comment was in response to mine. (However, even if mine had not been THE original comment, my use of the adjective "my," as in "MY original comment" would have still been accurate. No need to scold me for something that was correct in either case, especially when it's beside the point, and especially when you have it wrong. Were you just trying to be critical for the sake of being critical?)<br /><br />I was the one that used the words "lunchroom staff," by which I meant "staff working in the lunchroom." As you and Dave have pointed out, "lunchroom staff" is apparently a very specific term that does not apply to "staff working in the lunchroom," so I was taking your word for it and clarifying my original comment, comment #1 on this thread. <br /><br />Your attitudinal funk aside, thanks for essentially confirming the intent of my original post--that parents could likely request videos that showed, as "set dressing," lunchroom monitors interacting with students. My child was once hurt by a lunchroom monitor who did not like that he was focusing more on enjoying himself than eating. Our followup with the school was basically an accusation that "something must be going on at home." I have a hard time imagining that my child is the only one who has ever had a negative interaction with a school staff member in a lunch room, so in times it might be nice to have access to videos. <br /><br />HF<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28489660435180482262016-12-23T12:06:10.831-08:002016-12-23T12:06:10.831-08:00HF wrote: "Ok, so please consider my original...HF wrote: "Ok, so please consider my original comment rephrased as "staff who happen to be in the lunchroom/dining area (not kitchen)" instead of "lunchroom staff."<br /><br />Your comment, HF, wasn't the original one. Dave's was the original. Your first comment was in response to Dave's. You wrote: "@ Dave, if there are cameras in the lunchroom showing students at tables, couldn't they just as easily show lunchroom monitors, who often interact with kids? Why do you say never?"<br /><br />My answer was in response to the question "Why do you say never?"<br /><br />In response to your first question, "if there are cameras in the lunchroom showing students at tables, couldn't they just as easily show lunchroom monitors, who often interact with kids?" To which the answer is yes. The cameras in the lunchroom could possibly show lunchroom monitors.<br /><br />There. Everything all straightened out now? The cameras could show lunchroom monitors but cannot be used to monitor lunchroom staff unless that surveillance were allowed under the collective bargaining agreement. The lunchroom monitors have no such CBA and the camera surveillance can capture their actions.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-89935663290212161262016-12-23T11:37:13.732-08:002016-12-23T11:37:13.732-08:00Ok, so please consider my original comment rephras...Ok, so please consider my original comment rephrased as "staff who happen to be in the lunchroom/dining area (not kitchen)" instead of "lunchroom staff." Better? Or are there no paid staff supervising lunch?<br /><br />HFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60057671124863346252016-12-23T02:12:08.367-08:002016-12-23T02:12:08.367-08:00"lunchroom staff" means the people who w..."lunchroom staff" means the people who work in the lunchroom serving the food. They are covered by a collective bargaining agreement that sets the rules for their working conditions.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.com