tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post4602860456270382000..comments2024-03-27T20:01:11.889-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Friday Open ThreadMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-91389783497275731242018-01-22T11:08:41.843-08:002018-01-22T11:08:41.843-08:00I don't understand why Kris McBride (as per Ga...I don't understand why Kris McBride (as per Garfield Messenger article called "Get Ready for Eight") would state that the district is mandating that Garfield in 2018-2019 would offer 32 credit opportunities in order that students can earn 24 credits. I don't understand why they don't just offer summer school for credit retrieval instead of offering 32 credits in order to get the 24 credits. Is this really mandated by the district that GHS "pilot" this concept? Or is this one of those things where the district says it is the principal's decision and the principal says the district made me do it?NESeattleMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685367298254415469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-18496134712891250522018-01-22T10:32:51.883-08:002018-01-22T10:32:51.883-08:00As we’re hearing about a move to 8 periods at Garf...As we’re hearing about a move to 8 periods at Garfield, I wonder if all high schools will be required to do this. If so, it will be the end of our IB programmes. Standard level subjects require 150 teaching hours and that won’t fit in an 8 period day. <br /><br />Fairmount ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19607728728075266862018-01-22T10:22:57.308-08:002018-01-22T10:22:57.308-08:00NESeattle mom 3, Be very careful of what your prin...NESeattle mom 3, Be very careful of what your principal allows for online PE. Not sure what HS your student is at, but from my experience the online portion of PE/Health is Health. The 3 semesters of PE are physical. At GHS you have to take an online cognitive test for PE, and there are various waivers that have very specific requirements and deadlines with no late waivers accepted even if student qualifies.<br />Good luck!NESeattleMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685367298254415469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30524127303575366642018-01-22T10:20:37.646-08:002018-01-22T10:20:37.646-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.NESeattleMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685367298254415469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-65204565288729573392018-01-22T08:57:48.322-08:002018-01-22T08:57:48.322-08:00Kim moo IJS, that's partial true. But the dis...Kim moo IJS, that's partial true. But the district is responsible for:<br /><br />- the least amount of BEX spending of ANY high school; that's a fact. <br /><br />- not promising to keep up the IB funding at a school that cannot afford to fundraising do backfill<br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53559251774929521482018-01-22T00:21:13.441-08:002018-01-22T00:21:13.441-08:00RBHS problems are based in the local community. It...RBHS problems are based in the local community. Its not SpS responsibility to solve RB dysfunction. Let it go.<br /><br />KIm moo IJSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69859806768211688322018-01-21T22:39:12.473-08:002018-01-21T22:39:12.473-08:00Give me a break. An IB class with 20 struggling st...Give me a break. An IB class with 20 struggling students, 3 students at grade level and one HC student is not the same as an IB class where there are 8 or 9 HC students. <br /><br />The other thing you need to remember is that almost nobody wants to go to RBHS. The district has to shut down waitlist movement at Cleveland and Franklin just to get 40% of the attendance area students into the school.<br /><br />Face FactsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20113833695847282662018-01-21T20:21:00.897-08:002018-01-21T20:21:00.897-08:00This discussion is raising the point that issues t...This discussion is raising the point that issues that result in some students "having" to take R.S.--namely, that there aren't enough A.P. sections for students and their schedules--isn't just about H.C. Other students are being shortchanged, too.<br /><br />As well, many high schools haven't been offering enough sections of A.P. to qualify as comprehensive (especially when compared to others in the district). This became widespread knowledge only because it appears likely that H.C. students will be attending neighborhood high schools. As a result, it's an issue that HCC parents have made a focus.<br /><br />Siloed arguments are not productive and reveal a lack of systemic thinking.<br /><br />The best part of this HCC-to-local-high school debate has been the highlighting of discrepancies in high school offerings, and the lack of in-school options for many students. Another take-away has been the highlighting of how R.B. and Sealth IB are not considered acceptable HCC choices, while Ingraham is a-okay.<br /><br />Great collateral information for all to see and ponder.<br /><br />Silos'R usAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59299924109607477332018-01-21T19:45:20.573-08:002018-01-21T19:45:20.573-08:00@ Ego much, seriously?
If a school doesn't ha...@ Ego much, seriously?<br /><br /><i>If a school doesn't have the classes they need? What a ridiculous notion. It's public high school. All this noise around rigor needs to stop. The HCC crowd is bulling schools, administrators and others to get what they think somehow their students are ENTITLED to.</i><br /><br />A ridiculous notion that kids can't get the classes they need at our high schools? Think again. You may think it's fine for a senior to get LA, SS, and then only TA slots, swimming, and jewelry making, but that's not ok to me. I want my tax dollars to support preparing students to go to college if they want. If it comes down to only being able to offer academic classes OR electives, I think electives need to go. After all, as you said, it's public high school. Kids can take electives and play sports and music as extracurricular. We could make HS 4-5 periods or core academic work, then give kids credit for independent study electives.<br /><br />@Pro RS, yes, you read them wrong. People keep telling you that. <br /><br />RS is not an HCC only issue--non-HCC students can and do take classes through RS. <br /><br />I'm not an HCC parent, but if people ARE "claiming RS is a negative because it allows the schools an out for HCC," I would tend to agree with them. Schools should NOT HAVE an OUT for HCC. The district is REQUIRED to provide appropriate service for HC students. Telling HC students they can get services somewhere else doesn't cut it. <br /><br />Chillpill Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-24982209078624706352018-01-21T19:02:32.106-08:002018-01-21T19:02:32.106-08:00I’m surprised the haters haven’t made an effort to...I’m surprised the haters haven’t made an effort to claim those taking RS are terrible because they don’t want to sit next to a high schooler. I can hear them now: Just take underwater basket weaving and be happy! You think you’re so special to want a class you need to graduate. Oh, please. You will learn more sitting in a worthless class with some high schoolers than a RS math class any day. Get off your...<br /><br />High HorseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-36026924503228512802018-01-21T18:39:11.102-08:002018-01-21T18:39:11.102-08:00My non HCC, Non RS junior daughter was "force...My non HCC, Non RS junior daughter was "forced" into being a TA this semester because that was all that was available when they had to switch her LA class due to her original teacher leaving for another school at last minute. This even though she had spent hours meticulously numbering her electives (none of which were being a TA) on her registration form. She is nervous about her counselor appt tomorrow as she was assigned an undesired elective for 2nd semester and had not been assigned PE which she needs to graduate but now has to take online? Or the theater class she wanted which gives her the same type of credit as the elective she was assigned. I never had issues when I was in high school so this is all new to me and extremely frustrating and can see how RS can work for both those who want it, but also be the only choice for some who would prefer to take classes at their school but cannot get into those classes.<br /><br />NESeattle Mom3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76175105395082419042018-01-21T15:05:51.055-08:002018-01-21T15:05:51.055-08:00Sorry Mel, I started to write my comment before I ...Sorry Mel, I started to write my comment before I saw yours. <br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-8315714897446791262018-01-21T15:05:30.082-08:002018-01-21T15:05:30.082-08:00I don't see any connection at all between RS a...<br />I don't see any connection at all between RS and RS being an "out for HCC." For there to be a connection, there would need to be some significant research into the students who are enrolled in RS and that research dos not exist. <br /><br />Due to a change in reporting requirements, this is the first year, that I have seen school by school RS information. <br /><br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62565358065296518642018-01-21T14:58:18.912-08:002018-01-21T14:58:18.912-08:00Here is a real example.
My senior was assigned th...Here is a real example.<br /><br />My senior was assigned the following classes this year. LA and SS are graduation requirements. In addition to the graduation requirements, she was offered two TA slots, swimming and jewelry. <br /><br />She felt "forced" into RS. She loves it and is very happy but there was lots of distress as this was not her first choice and "forced" accurately describes her experience. <br /><br />- bulldog mamaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68201444361991721652018-01-21T14:56:12.622-08:002018-01-21T14:56:12.622-08:00It's to the point that the board can't eve...It's to the point that the board can't even control its meetings because of the HCC crowd. MW you seem to have have children involved in every issue that comes up here. How can that be? SPED yep, HCC yep, AP yep and now RS."<br /><br />That can't "even control its meetings" is complete nonsense. <br /><br />Yes, I have a child who had an IEP, one that qualified for HCC (but both were in Spectrum) and both took AP and RS. It's entirely possible and I'm sure I'm not the only one.<br /><br />The district does not have good oversight of its master schedule for high school. Kellie has outlined that well in other threads. That they are having this many students leaving for RS seems an indication of at least some kind of problem. <br /><br />And yes, whether you want to believe it or not, the district loses some money when kids go to RS. You are welcome to verify this yourself.<br /><br />ProRS, I'm now seeing your tactic and I'm not going to play along. That readers are saying, "Nothing wrong with RS" seems to point that you are trying to hijack the conversation.<br /><br />We're done with that part of the conversatoin, ProRS. Last time I'm going to say it.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44926186352672275162018-01-21T14:03:37.847-08:002018-01-21T14:03:37.847-08:00Where is the data for what?
You made the claim t...Where is the data for what? <br /><br />You made the claim that students were being "forced" into RS not me. Why don't you back up your claim?<br /><br />I expect the RS numbers to jump by a large % soon. If you check what the kids are saying on socials you will see nothing but positive experiences talked about.<br /><br />It's also interesting to read the students comparisons between SPS and RS. The district would be wise to listen to RS students, that is if they really want to improve SPS. <br /><br />Pro RS Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27856719726741922792018-01-21T13:57:33.290-08:002018-01-21T13:57:33.290-08:00"Cease and desist. " What are you talkin..."Cease and desist. " What are you talking about? It's the HCC folks that are claiming RS is a negative because it allows the schools an out for HCC. Did I read all the comments wrong? I don't think so. <br /><br />Then you have some of the same folks trying to assign a monetary value of profit and lost to SPS due to the existence of RS. <br /><br />These are the same PRO HCC commenters. Perhaps you should circle back and review the facts and the language used. Of coarse you have been the first explain away their negative language. <br /><br />It's completely transparent what you're doing.<br /><br />Pro RS Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44076987254712671342018-01-21T13:48:22.058-08:002018-01-21T13:48:22.058-08:00If a school doesn't have the classes they need...If a school doesn't have the classes they need? What a ridiculous notion. It's public high school. All this noise around rigor needs to stop. The HCC crowd is bulling schools, administrators and others to get what they think somehow their students are ENTITLED to. It's to the point that the board can't even control its meetings because of the HCC crowd. MW you seem to have have children involved in every issue that comes up here. How can that be? SPED yep, HCC yep, AP yep and now RS. <br /><br />Ego muchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82806122379250222092018-01-21T13:31:43.910-08:002018-01-21T13:31:43.910-08:00Pro Rs, of course nobody is "forced" int...Pro Rs, of course nobody is "forced" into RS, and nobody is suggesting students are required to do RS against their will. If their school doesn't have the classes they need, they of course have other options (e.g., online programs). However, RS may be their best option in that case. If they wanted to stay and their high school but couldn't get what they needed, it's reasonable for them to feel "forced" out of their HS, and thus "forced" into RS. If 100% of students who participated in RS did so because they really wanted to and thought it was a better fit for them than getting equivalent classes at their high school, that would be awesome. But there's nothing to suggest that's the case, and plenty to suggest it isn't. <br /><br />Pro realityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-25794818787642449762018-01-21T13:10:55.617-08:002018-01-21T13:10:55.617-08:00ProRS, I think the word "forced" means t...ProRS, I think the word "forced" means that student cannot take a class that should be available to him/her and has to go to RS to get it. Of course, no one is being forced. But there are many accounts of students - of all kinds - not being able to get a rigorous schedule. <br /><br />This is NOT about HCC. Both my sons took RS and neither was in HCC. And the numbers show that RS could not all be HCC students.<br /><br />Pro RS, again, you have made your point and now you seem to be doubling down against HCC student. Cease and desist. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22259965040243989092018-01-21T13:05:58.533-08:002018-01-21T13:05:58.533-08:00Prove it. Where's the data?Prove it. Where's the data?NNE Momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68014227338006251982018-01-21T13:01:39.655-08:002018-01-21T13:01:39.655-08:00I need to once again clear a negative label someon...I need to once again clear a negative label someone is trying to stick to RS.<br /><br />No one is FORCED into RS. The HCC folks need to settle down.<br /><br />Pro RSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-75352097809743101712018-01-21T12:40:25.189-08:002018-01-21T12:40:25.189-08:00I talked to a woman recently who had to switch dis...I talked to a woman recently who had to switch districts to find a friendly administrator and when she did her child was able to start taking dual credit community college classes in 8th grade. It was a great fit and made all the difference for the child's happiness. The child has a couple of degrees now and is living happily ever after as a 20-year-old in the child's career of choice. <br /><br />I think the thing about RS is that students shouldn't be forced into it. High schools should have four years of coursework to offer students. Optional RS is one thing. Forced RS is something different.NNE Momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43777772466580328012018-01-21T09:30:43.567-08:002018-01-21T09:30:43.567-08:00I don't know if anyone has a good idea of the ...<br />I don't know if anyone has a good idea of the financial aspect of RS, because there just hasn't been any analysis. The State of Washington will fund a student up to 1.2 FTE for a combination of RS and high school. The formula is included on the verification form. <br />http://www.k12.wa.us/BulletinsMemos/Bulletins2017/B067-17AttachB.pdf<br /><br />I have heard all types of "unsubstantiated" claims about how the district could either be making money or losing money on this program. I think the truth is that nobody really knows because there is zero information about running start in either the enrollment reports or the budget reports. <br /><br />I suspect that someone at JSIS really does know. The budget department is full of good people who really know how things work. But if the information is not in a report to the board somewhere, then the community only has conjecture and this thread really illustrates how divisive conjecture can be in the absence of real data. <br /><br />There are 4 additional portables planned for Garfield, Ballard and Roosevelt for next year (12 total). Plus another 8 portables that are TBD with the strong implication that they are TBD for high school use. If RS, was a not a real and valuable option, that number would be much higher. <br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42303127044427063362018-01-21T06:10:41.285-08:002018-01-21T06:10:41.285-08:00����������
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