tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post5278594171161450445..comments2024-03-29T02:41:52.718-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Garfield High UpdatesMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90446128750394393332020-03-23T11:52:43.112-07:002020-03-23T11:52:43.112-07:00https://www.bfirstseo.com/ِشركة-مكافحة-حشرات-بينبع...<br /><br /><a href="https://www.bfirstseo.com/%D9%90%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%A9-%D9%85%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9-%D8%AD%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A8%D8%B9/" rel="nofollow">https://www.bfirstseo.com/ِشركة-مكافحة-حشرات-بينبع/</a><br /><a href="https://www.bfirstseo.com/%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%B8%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A8%D8%B9/" rel="nofollow">https://www.bfirstseo.com/شركة-تنظيف-بينبع/</a><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://www.bfirstseo.com/%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%B8%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%AE%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A9/" rel="nofollow">https://www.bfirstseo.com/تنظيف-خزانات-بالمدينة-المنورة/</a><br /><br /><br />noorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15129655513968510353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12324550490890080072014-11-07T17:59:56.390-08:002014-11-07T17:59:56.390-08:00It would be a real shame for Garfield to lose its ...It would be a real shame for Garfield to lose its Latin program!! It is part of what makes Garfield so unique, and the Latin program there is fabulous.<br /><br />Just encouraging everyone who cares to write an email or letter to the Superintendent and to the Principal, Ted Howard. They are most likely the people who will be making the final decision about this, but if anyone knows better, please do let us know. <br /><br />-wonderingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-25058068384271293842014-11-01T16:46:57.875-07:002014-11-01T16:46:57.875-07:00One idea is to invite families to donate $5 to $50...One idea is to invite families to donate $5 to $50, if they can, to save the Latin teacher. Maybe they can raise $45K. I think it is sad to lose the legacy of Latin at GHS. I think it is worth paying the ransom money to save the program. Maybe next year they can budget better.<br />GHSmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-45284251442286986302014-10-31T12:03:54.053-07:002014-10-31T12:03:54.053-07:00The "announcement" that it was the Latin...The "announcement" that it was the Latin teacher was made indirectly at the Superintendent Meet and Greet on Monday night at the community center. A student asked Dr. Nyland who was going to be let go and he answered the Latin teacher. <br /><br />It was not made at the school. This whole thing makes no sense. There were over 100 students on the waiting list. If Garfield's enrollment was so dangerously low, why were no students moved from the wait list. <br /><br />If you want to think about a conspiracy, then ... enrollment was deliberately withheld from Garfield. Then the adjusted full time equivalent was changes and viola ... the school that makes trouble loses a teacher.Bulldognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-83341398407878177072014-10-31T04:17:41.747-07:002014-10-31T04:17:41.747-07:00Thanks for clarifying. Nothing like one more stres...Thanks for clarifying. Nothing like one more stressor going into the holidays. <br /><br />RuthieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76137343284717861902014-10-30T22:42:29.933-07:002014-10-30T22:42:29.933-07:00He told my son's Latin class that he's the...He told my son's Latin class that he's the teacher who'll leave if the district doesn't back down. It was discussed in class on Wednesday. <br /><br />Garfield ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-55087503073609388942014-10-30T21:40:08.895-07:002014-10-30T21:40:08.895-07:00I doubt the accuracy of this rumor . My son is a L...I doubt the accuracy of this rumor . My son is a Latin student at GHS, active with JCL, and has not heard this. For what it's worth. <br /><br />RuthieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44712704791093034792014-10-30T17:41:05.872-07:002014-10-30T17:41:05.872-07:00From the APP blog -
Anonymous said...
Students ...From the APP blog - <br /><br /> Anonymous said...<br />Students at Garfield were told yesterday that the Latin instructor will be gone at the end of the semester. I can't imagine where the district will place him. Is anyone aware of a school in the district that has 150 or so students who need 1/2 year of instruction in Latin?<br /><br />October 30, 2014 at 10:14 AM<br /><br />Ted Howard is brilliant, as usual! This targets the exact demographic at GHS (mostly APP) that can fundraise heavily and save the Latin teacher. The Latin teacher is going nowhere and the district will get the ransom they are demanding. It's only $46,000 for the second semester. No problem! <br /><br />This is crazy. I wonder what the classes are that Running Start students are taking that may be reducing the load at GHS? It's not Latin. The Latin teacher has been there for about 5 years, so it's not a seniority issue. If it is true, this strategy is targeting parents with money to solve the problem, while absolving the district/TH of eliminating a core class for graduation requirements. World Languages are not a graduation requirement in SPS. <br /><br />DisgustedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31566893659889811692014-10-30T16:52:59.081-07:002014-10-30T16:52:59.081-07:00Yes. One must take into account: classes of stude...Yes. One must take into account: classes of students who have different ratios; the CBA; and other qualifiers. Dr. Nyland is not getting the whole story. I think he is coming to that realization. And staff that blow smoke up his whatzit should be put somewhere so that they do not hurt their bosses nor their customers.mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62760978191598575252014-10-30T12:03:44.610-07:002014-10-30T12:03:44.610-07:00Jamie is right--it's not an AP or APP issue. S...Jamie is right--it's not an AP or APP issue. Some people just seem to resent the fact that some kids are more more academically advanced than others, and like to use these kids/programs/services/classes as scapegoats for whatever problem is being discussed. <br /><br />HIMSmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76497049965132888562014-10-30T11:22:53.886-07:002014-10-30T11:22:53.886-07:00No, he is not. Perhaps some AP classes are smalle...No, he is not. Perhaps some AP classes are smaller but in my kid's experience at Ballard her AP classes were 32 for the past two years, and one AP class this year has 34 kids in it. So they are not smaller than the Gen Ed classes. Her non-AP Physics class last year had 26 kids. So it's all over the place. Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90165074356129304952014-10-30T06:18:28.176-07:002014-10-30T06:18:28.176-07:00Actually, Misanthrope is correct about the situati...Actually, Misanthrope is correct about the situation at Ballard and robbing SpEd to reduce class sizes elsewhere. It is inequitable to those students who need support are instead crammed into large classes. Thanks Misanthrope for your information.mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11212866077653873692014-10-29T12:51:36.236-07:002014-10-29T12:51:36.236-07:00It is 30:1 in the allocation. There is a separate ...It is 30:1 in the allocation. There is a separate line for PCP which provides the extra .2 to cover the sixth period. So teaching staff plus PCP is total general education allocation. Then there are additions for ELL and sped to complete the teaching faculty. <br />kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48897100329523288232014-10-29T12:36:43.185-07:002014-10-29T12:36:43.185-07:00@Lynn
That's 5 schools that were allowed to b...@Lynn<br /><br />That's 5 schools that were allowed to be over-staffed, including Hazel Wolf K-8.<br /><br />- reality checkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27705803507925126032014-10-29T12:32:15.776-07:002014-10-29T12:32:15.776-07:00David,
We don't know how many teachers each s...David,<br /><br />We don't know how many teachers each school has now - so we can't check the allocations. We do already know that the district chose not to pull four teachers from "high equity" schools. They were allowed to be overstaffed at district expense this year.Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50120980612209917222014-10-29T11:28:56.099-07:002014-10-29T11:28:56.099-07:00That a 30:1 student-teacher ratio actually means y...That a 30:1 student-teacher ratio actually means you should see 25:1 in the OSPI data because of the passing period explains a lot of the issue, but not all of it. We're still seeing ratios well below 25:1 at high schools in previous years, which raises doubts about whether this 30:1 student-teacher ratio is being applied consistently, correctly, and fairly. At stake is whether Garfield, other schools, or no one should lose teachers.<br /><br />Perhaps I am being overly suspicious. Am I wrong that it is still unclear if Nyland is correct that Garfield should lose a teacher? Do we have the information to verify that Garfield has the correct number of teachers this year under a criteria that says they had the correct number last year? Can we verify that the criteria for teacher staffing has been consistently applied across schools and years?<br /><br />At the core of this is that I think Nyland has told us not to worry, the calculation is correct, without giving information that establishes that, yes, the calculation is correct. And given past performance of the District on these kinds of things, I have little confidence and trust that the calculation was done correctly, so I'd like to be able to verify it.<br /><br />Have others looked at this too? Am I wrong that the District staff have not made data available to outsiders to verify that the teacher staffing is correctly and consistently applied across high schools and years?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69868839347306276552014-10-29T11:04:39.644-07:002014-10-29T11:04:39.644-07:00To complicate matters, you've got to provide a...To complicate matters, you've got to provide a teacher for those 30 students during the planning period - so every 30 students gets 1.2 teachers - equivalent to 1 teacher for every 25 kids. (Class size is still 30 though.)<br /><br />A few things surprised me about the process. ELL students are only counted as a .6 FTE for general ed teacher allocations and most special education students are only counted as .8 FTE. (Because they're assumed to be out of the general ed classroom for a portion of the day.) Aren't these students in general ed classrooms as much as possible? (So potentially all day?)<br /><br />The other thing is the AAFTE calculation. This reduces the projected enrollment by the number who are expected to leave during the year. (The projection differs by school and by grade.) For example, Garfield is expected to lose 162 students over the course of this year. This means that they were allocated 3.24 teachers less than needed at the beginning of the year. (81/25) I'd think it would make more sense to allocate more teachers to schools with lower retention rates in an attempt to decrease dropout rates. <br /><br />Finally, Garfield was allocated teachers for two SM2 special education classrooms (staffed at a 1 to 9 ratio) even though their projected enrollment didn't include any SM2 students.Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82808709654769296672014-10-29T10:20:49.548-07:002014-10-29T10:20:49.548-07:00@ David,
The SPS enrollment reports put Garfield ...@ David,<br /><br />The SPS enrollment reports put Garfield at 1604 for the 2013 school year. The OSPI report is 1640. <br /><br />This looks like a typo with just transposed digits. <br /><br />The 30:1 ratio is the ratio used for building the budget for the school as the teacher contract is for 150 students, 5 instructional periods and one prep period. kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57460330140114532542014-10-29T10:08:10.270-07:002014-10-29T10:08:10.270-07:00David, Nyland may have been referring to contractu...David, Nyland may have been referring to contractual ratios.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23294147390684931092014-10-29T09:56:59.461-07:002014-10-29T09:56:59.461-07:00@David
SpEd, and ELL teachers are included in the...@David<br /><br />SpEd, and ELL teachers are included in the teacher total. <br /><br />Simply dividing the total number of students by the total number of teachers won't yield an accurate class size for say, LA/SS.<br /><br />- North-end MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73549925461088103242014-10-29T09:56:11.807-07:002014-10-29T09:56:11.807-07:00Misanthrope just learned that facts are stubborn t...Misanthrope just learned that facts are stubborn things. WSDWGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27432205155912174862014-10-29T09:48:36.403-07:002014-10-29T09:48:36.403-07:00Here's some information on the budgeting proce...Here's some information on the budgeting process/staffing ratio:<br /><a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/budget/wss/wssmodel15.pdf?sessionid=9d4bfad026b9b8ac385971e8ee977f37" rel="nofollow">Weighted Staffing Standards</a><br /><a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/budget/schoolallocs15.pdf?sessionid=9d4bfad026b9b8ac385971e8ee977f37" rel="nofollow">School allocations</a>Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-34357232773057519282014-10-29T09:47:23.669-07:002014-10-29T09:47:23.669-07:00My daughter is in 2 AP classes at Ballard. Both h...My daughter is in 2 AP classes at Ballard. Both have 32 kids in them. It was the same last year. Not sure where your #s are coming from, Misanthrope.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74160615332738613712014-10-29T09:30:46.443-07:002014-10-29T09:30:46.443-07:00Trying to get back to the topic, commenting on wha...Trying to get back to the topic, commenting on what Superintendent Nyland said in his letter, I wrote earlier:<br /><br /><i>I can't even verify the numbers Nyland claimed. The OSPI website says Garfield had 1640 students and 69 core teachers in Oct 2013 for the 2013-14 school year, but Nyland claimed 1604 and 59.3. Nyland also claims a 30:1 student-teacher ratio is standard, but that doesn't appear to be true either, as 1640 / 69 = 23.8 and spot checking other high schools shows even lower (Franklin High School had 1375 students and 61 teachers, so 22.5 teachers per student).</i><br /><br />I was hoping someone else would comment on this. Is Nyland correct about a 30:1 student-teacher ratio being normal? Is he correct about the enrollment numbers and number of teachers? Why doesn't what he say match the OSPI data? Is this some definition issue where what he said is technically correct under certain definitions and assumptions? Or is he getting bad information from his own staff?<br /><br />I think this is important. The entire justification for him cutting a teacher from Garfield is dependent on the 30:1 student-teacher ratio actually being what is normal, the count of students being correct, and the count of teachers being correct. Nothing he said matches the OSPI data, so I was hoping others might comment on it. Is Superintendent Nyland right on this or did he get bad information from his staff?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41653921112160570972014-10-29T08:17:29.316-07:002014-10-29T08:17:29.316-07:00All I can say is that it does matter the size of t...All I can say is that it does matter the size of the school. RBHS was struggling with enrollment and wanted AP classes (this was before IB). They complained it was an equity issue that they had almost no AP and the district said it was too expensive (your argument). <br /><br />So we can choose to not have classes that are college level for some schools and not others but you run into equity issues. You can disagree if that matters but apparently it matters to the district.<br /><br /> "Other people WILL and DO pay for these classes."<br /><br />I have no idea what that means. The district does not charge for AP classes.<br /><br /> Misanthrope, I think I will end my discussion with you here. I'm not sure you know the facts on the ground so it's not helping to put out info that is not true. <br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.com