tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post5473494629182501169..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Herndon to Speak at BHS PTSA Meeting TonightMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88583356561448720152016-02-06T12:08:26.745-08:002016-02-06T12:08:26.745-08:00Thanks, Hale Fan. I'll inquire more over on th...Thanks, Hale Fan. I'll inquire more over on the HCC blog, as this is an issue that may extend beyond Hale. <br /><br />Hale CuriousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84127332387731100272016-02-05T15:19:41.598-08:002016-02-05T15:19:41.598-08:00Yes, unfortunately there is a problem with science...Yes, unfortunately there is a problem with science at Hale for HCC in that incoming 9th graders will indeed have to retake both 9th grade Physical Science and Biology. I have been told by the science teachers at JAMS, as well as the folks at NH that the Physical Science course is actually quite a bit different in 9th grade than what HCC kids have taken in 7th.<br /><br /> Per NH: <br /> "Physical science in middle school is dramatically different than in high school. Our inquiry based and hands on approach to science is often is more mathematically challenging for students in high school . We approach our physical science for 9th grade as a Pre-physics and Pre-chemistry class covering the following topics:<br />Robotics, Energy, and the Particle nature of matter for first semester. Then in second semester we look at Kinematics, dynamics of force and motion, light optics, thermodynamics and climate change.<br />In 9th grade our main focus is building a community of learners as moving from middle school to high school is an important transition."<br /> I think Biology is a larger concern. As it stands now, it is part of their integrated studies program for 10th graders, where it ties in with their LA and SS curriculum. I think if they could figure out an option of taking Chemistry instead of Biology without giving up their integrated studies, they would be more attractive to HCC families. It might mean some of the students are doing a slightly different project on the science part of integrated studies, but that seems like it could still be workable. I do agree that they also will likely need to add at least one more level of math. So many students take AP classes that I think they could add more of those as well, although there is a limit to how many classes one student can fit in their schedule anyway. Bottom line, I think that if it is done thoughtfully, Hale could attract and accommodate even more HCC students with only a few "tweaks" and without giving up their inclusiveness and "Coalition of Essential Schools" model.<br /><br />Hale FanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27291540368938434932016-02-05T12:19:11.492-08:002016-02-05T12:19:11.492-08:00Ack, NCC should be NSC (North Seattle College).
H...Ack, NCC should be NSC (North Seattle College).<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60538104250726777782016-02-05T12:17:58.429-08:002016-02-05T12:17:58.429-08:00I have heard of 9th graders starting in pre-calcul...I have heard of 9th graders starting in pre-calculus because they have the credits for the previous classes. I do believe that they transferred to running start for 11th and 12th grade. They still remained very involved at Hale. Hale seems to work well with Running Start.<br /><br />Most of the Running Start kids go to North Seattle College and take 1 or 2 classes a semester at NCC. There are a few who went full on Running Start and will not graduate from Hale. They wanted to avoid the senior project more than the classes at Hale. I don't know about the science classes other than that some do take science classes at NCC. NCC has a pretty good program for transferring into the UW. <br /><br />My own kid took Geometry elsewhere and was able to get credit at Hale. It seems from my own observations that Hale is willing to work out a schedule that is best for your kid. I do think that more AP classes will need to be offered in the future because the demand at Hale is increasing. My kids AP Calculus class has 45 students in it. The teacher is amazing and seems to be able to handle the class size. Plus, these are all kids that have worked hard to get into the class. They want to be there.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68254517233693044932016-02-05T11:25:05.432-08:002016-02-05T11:25:05.432-08:00Nathan Hale may have a lot to offer, but it doesn&...Nathan Hale may have a lot to offer, but it doesn't offer as many AP courses as some of the other neighborhood high schools. That means kids coming from HCC are more likely to max out in certain areas (e.g., math and science) and be forced to do Running Start. Some might like that, others might prefer to stay on campus. <br /><br />Question: do HCC students have to retake Physical Sci at Hale (9th grade Academy), even though they did it in 7th? And what about Biology, if they already passed the EOC in 8th? If they start with Chem in 9th (honors, but no AP available), then do AP Enviro Sci and AP Physics in 10th/11th, is there anything available for a good fourth year of science?<br /><br />And how about math? If they did Algebra II in 8th, they are on track for Precalculus, then AP Calc AB, then AP Stats. Then what? Is there really no second year calculus available? <br /><br />I like a lot about Hale, but am concerned that HCC students may have to repeat some work and/or be forced off campus to get appropriate work. Is that inaccurate, or is there any indication it will be changing?<br /><br />Thank you, <br />Hale Curious <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-2540421662944163782016-02-05T11:22:45.198-08:002016-02-05T11:22:45.198-08:00Flip mentioned the schools that they will be looki...Flip mentioned the schools that they will be looking at when boundaries are re-drawn to populate Lincoln for its day one opening could include Ballard HS, Roosevelt, Ingraham, and Nathan Hale. It could also include Magnolia and Queen Anne student being drawn out of Ballard HS and drawn in to Lincoln. I imagine that many people in these communities don't have it on their radar that their kids could be included in the boundary re-drawn and that their students could be pulled from their high school mid-stream before graduation, even for their senior year. All things are on the table for consideration it seems.<br /><br />Northend momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60810139550609286152016-02-05T10:36:41.187-08:002016-02-05T10:36:41.187-08:00I agree with you, International Curious. Lincoln ...I agree with you, International Curious. Lincoln should be home to kids closest to it. Just like Ballard, Ingraham and Roosevelt should. And, just like QA/Mag should have a high school. I think the schools used to "populate" Lincoln projections in 2019 are pretty odd.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57139572206347449982016-02-05T08:39:13.505-08:002016-02-05T08:39:13.505-08:00There's a summary of the meeting at the HCC Co...There's a summary of the meeting at the HCC Community Forum:<br /><br /><a href="http://discussapp.blogspot.com/2016/02/flip-herndon-talk-at-ballard-high.html" rel="nofollow">http://discussapp.blogspot.com/2016/02/flip-herndon-talk-at-ballard-high.html</a><br /><br />-jujubeejujubeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-66975789866887027462016-02-05T08:18:48.066-08:002016-02-05T08:18:48.066-08:00I couldn't be there. How was the meeting?
Th...I couldn't be there. How was the meeting?<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />North-end MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-36035447421825737802016-02-04T20:35:05.339-08:002016-02-04T20:35:05.339-08:00Regarding Lincoln, doesn't it seem like Lincol...Regarding Lincoln, doesn't it seem like Lincoln should be the high school for international/IB programming, given two of the elem schools within its boundaries are JSIS and McDonald "international", and that Hamilton "international" would be a primary feeder into Lincoln? If not, then what was the point of opening McDonald as language immersion, so the students would geographically feed into Hamilton, ...which now feeds way up north to Ingrahm? Two schools worth of students essentially driving/busing up to Ingrahm, when Lincoln is walking distance?<br /><br />Maybe a separate post on the Lincoln topic after the Ballard PTA meeting - to share what was discussed there plus other commentary?<br /><br />-International CuriousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41917670587426608232016-02-04T20:14:49.699-08:002016-02-04T20:14:49.699-08:00I remember a huge outcry from 5th grade parents ag...I remember a huge outcry from 5th grade parents against doing a rollup at JAMS. They demanded the geo-split. Will those 5th graders be the ones affected by a hs geo-split. Wonder if their parents will be demanding it again or will they decide they prefer roll-ups?<br /><br />-hmpfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-23401342880906329182016-02-04T19:54:39.405-08:002016-02-04T19:54:39.405-08:00From the planning assumptions for the 5 year proje...From the planning assumptions for the 5 year projections released in Oct 2015:<br /><br />"Boundaries:<br />- Boundaries are modeled on 2015 boundaries, with the exceptions of GeoSplits occurring at<br />Cedar Park Elementary, Meany Middle School, Eagle Staff Middle School and Lincoln High<br />School. This provides a conservative estimate for boundary changes not triggered by new<br />schools, as it assumes that grandfathering occurs at these schools and thus estimates<br />implications on capacity accordingly.<br /><br />Bringing new buildings online:<br />All new buildings opening (2017 for Cedar Park Elementary, Meany and Eagle Staff Middle Schools and<br />2019 for Lincoln High School), were assumed to be filled by residents currently attending their<br />attendance area school, across all grades, on the year the building comes online." <br /><br /><br />Someone posted that there was overwhelming support for the JAMS geo-split. I don't recall much, if any, support for the geo-split coming from parents of kids who were getting ripped out of either Hamilton or Eckstein. In fact, I remember lots of public testimony against it. <br /><br />-North-end MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-68188324291416613702016-02-04T19:36:38.935-08:002016-02-04T19:36:38.935-08:00Regarding Hale. There are very bright, high-perfo...Regarding Hale. There are very bright, high-performing kids at Hale...just not tons who have the "HCC" label. These kids went to local elementary schools, where there was not much incentive to test into APP, because it was a long haul to Lowell, then Lincoln. Also, most sophomores, juniors and seniors at Hale went to either Eckstein or Hazel Wolf K-8 for middle school, which offered Spectrum, not APP/HCC. After suffering through our kids being bused far away to Hamilton for middle school prior to the NSAP (because Eckstein had "no room"), having the opportunity to enroll in a NE middle school program was seen as kind of a luxury. There wasn't a hugely-compelling reason for north-end parents to send their kids all the way to Hamilton, due to the long bus ride. <br /><br />Counting HCC kids doesn't seem like a great diagnostic for determining whether or not a school succeeds at serving kids who need challenging academics, at least not in neighborhoods historically far-removed from elementary or middle school APP/HCC. Now that the local middle school (JAMS) has APP, I suspect more kids from the neighborhood schools will test into HCC, and that Hale's HCC count will increase in the near future. <br /><br />With all the growth in the Hale attendance area over the past decade, I have a feeling Hale will over-fill without the addition of a stand-alone HCC-like program.<br /><br />-North-end MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4677459031778068172016-02-04T18:02:26.917-08:002016-02-04T18:02:26.917-08:00DM is correct. There are 18 highly capable student...DM is correct. There are 18 highly capable students at Nathan Hale this year.<br /><br />http://www.seattleschools.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_543/File/District/Departments/School%20Board/Friday%20Memos/2015-16/January%2015/20160115_FridayMemo_HC%20DATA%20as%20of%201.4.16_withsource%20(3).pdf<br /><br />Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64991590414886025282016-02-04T17:39:13.962-08:002016-02-04T17:39:13.962-08:00Just have to respond to Momof2. Re: NH: "M...Just have to respond to Momof2. Re: NH: "Most HCC parents would not place their students in that environment."<br /><br />Your statement implies that NH is an unacceptable environment for HCC students. I beg to differ, and actually find your statement rather offensive. I would, have, and will send my HCC kids to NH and I know others who have as well. For starters, do not underestimate the value of the inclusiveness offered at NH. HCC kids need that environment as much, or sometimes even more so than some of their Gen Ed peers. NH offers plenty of challenge for kids who want it and every year sends students to some of the most selective colleges in the country. They turn out National Merit Scholars, and as HP says, many students earn very substantial merit scholarships. Hale has all Juniors and Seniors take AP LA, but the other AP classes are self contained. My son took AP Calculus, AP Computer Science, AP Spanish, AP Physics and AP History in addition to the two AP LA classes. All were self contained. I know parents of many HCC and Spectrum kids who went to NH and all were very satisfied with their experience there. HCC kids undoubtedly can and do find success in all of Seattle's high schools. I have found NH to be almost like a private school in some ways, as teachers know the students well and push each of them in areas where they can grow.<br />DMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-35061911361068560832016-02-04T16:01:09.022-08:002016-02-04T16:01:09.022-08:00From Ingraham principal, Martin Floe:
"The I...From Ingraham principal, Martin Floe:<br /><br />"The Ingraham community has been discussing program changes centered on what we can do to meet a wider range of HCC students. We are happy to report that beginning with the next incoming 9th grade class Ingraham is expanding the program to include the following: <br /><br />- The IBX program will still be at Ingraham in its current form as an opt-in program.<br /><br />- We are adding a 4 year option for those that would be better served by a 4 year option.<br /><br />- Students will be able to decide in their 9th grade year the option that is best for them."Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22289797282512274492016-02-04T15:57:17.374-08:002016-02-04T15:57:17.374-08:00Po3, good question. I don't know for sure but ...Po3, good question. I don't know for sure but I think they would get assigned to their school based on address.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79752572369666006602016-02-04T15:54:22.141-08:002016-02-04T15:54:22.141-08:00HF - According to SPS projections, HIMS is about 2...HF - According to SPS projections, HIMS is about 200 more kids than this near (100 AA and 100 APP). Only 100 more than this year would be a dream LOL....Plus, I bet the SPS projection numbers are low. I'm not sure they know how many kids are taking HCC tests in our neighborhood 5th grade and already have private testing appointments set-up in case they don't qualify. It's not looking good for HIMS next year if it's truly super full this year.Too much testingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-868033898761091252016-02-04T15:39:00.215-08:002016-02-04T15:39:00.215-08:00What if Summit Charter students don't apply fo...What if Summit Charter students don't apply for a seat in SPS during open enrollment. Will they just get assigned to a school w/ an open seat, when they do apply for a seat? Or will their attendance HS have to make room for them as technically they will be new students to the district? <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Po3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-61682758586712042192016-02-04T15:28:20.919-08:002016-02-04T15:28:20.919-08:00Wow. Roosevelt is inside the Green Lake attendance...Wow. Roosevelt is inside the Green Lake attendance area. If those are the actual boundaries, kids may have to walk, drive or bus past Roosevelt to get to Lincoln.Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49851935702923768462016-02-04T15:21:58.828-08:002016-02-04T15:21:58.828-08:00This note was included in the current five year pr...This note was included in the current five year projections schedule: <i>Lincoln High School is based on three year residents at either Ballard or Roosevelt High Schools, as a percentage of each grade. The following 2015 elementary attendance areas were used to approximate the historic Lincoln High School boundary: Green Lake, B.F. Day, West Woodland, Bagley, and Greenwood.</i>Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50119121152055764912016-02-04T15:06:21.341-08:002016-02-04T15:06:21.341-08:00They yanked JAMS kids out of Eckstein and will yan...They yanked JAMS kids out of Eckstein and will yank kids to open Eaglestaff and are planning on yanking kids out of Washington to open Meany so yes plan on being a junior at school A and if your address is in the Lincoln area being sent to Lincoln as a senior the year it opens. I'm a rollup fan but I am in the extreme minority based on past parent feedback.<br /><br />CapacityWonkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48770944421094693522016-02-04T15:04:06.103-08:002016-02-04T15:04:06.103-08:00The 5-yr projections show Lincoln opening with nea...The 5-yr projections show Lincoln opening with nearly 1100 students, so clearly not just 9th graders. They also show big declines that year for both Ballard and Roosevelt, suggesting some kids get pulled. <br /><br />Lincoln is supposed to have 1600 seats. If they start it with 1100 students (as projected), maybe that's 9th-11th grade the first year? It would then be more like 1400 already by year 2. If they went this route, next year's 9th graders would be safe, but the class of 2020 would need to relocate midway through HS. <br /><br />Or maybe they are planning to move north end APP to Lincoln, since Garfield will be way over capacity. In that case, the initial 1100 for Lincoln could be based on 9th-12th but a smaller geographic zone, plus another 500 or so APP kids. <br /><br />God only knows what they are thinking...<br /><br />HFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87099535799338298302016-02-04T15:03:01.167-08:002016-02-04T15:03:01.167-08:00This high school topic jogged my memory and here&#...This high school topic jogged my memory and here's some news about high schools.<br /><br />I was talking to some Highline activists (and boy, are they unhappy with Susan Enfield) and they told me a couple of interesting things that may influence high school enrollment (somewhat):<br /><br />- The enrollment process for Aviation High is changing and they predict that fewer Seattle students will get in (from 40 to 20). (The formula is 50% from Highline, 20% from Seattle and 30% other school districts.)<br /><br />- There are a small number of students - both from Highline and West Seattle High - who go over to Vashon Island SD for high school. Vashon is now topping out and so those SPS students are likely to come back into the district.<br /><br />- if no charter bill passes in the legislature (and I don't think it will), you'll have some Summit kids coming back into the district)<br /><br />If among all those places the number coming back is 50+ students, the high schools will feel it.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-218040617677336682016-02-04T14:51:25.772-08:002016-02-04T14:51:25.772-08:00Po3,
No announcements have been made but I thin...Po3, <br /><br />No announcements have been made but I think they'll move kids from both schools at all grades to Lincoln when it opens. The planned roll up at JAMS was loudly rejected by parents.Lynnnoreply@blogger.com