tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post6181664087394168973..comments2024-03-29T02:41:52.718-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: King to Stay at Lowell After All (But for how long?)Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28921599118532662392012-02-22T17:03:33.488-08:002012-02-22T17:03:33.488-08:00OK, I see per an article on Saturday, February 11,...OK, I see per an article on Saturday, February 11, by Brian M. Rosenthal, results of the special investigation are to be released in the next two weeks, which is this weekend. Not sure which of the couple of issues are being investigated, but I guess we find out shortly. <br />2012http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017478944.htmlSkritchDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00013620521570017796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-56268240693984782372012-02-22T10:52:33.550-08:002012-02-22T10:52:33.550-08:00Do you know when is the investigation into Princip...Do you know when is the investigation into Principal King is supposed to be concluded and brought public? March, this school year, summer?SkritchDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00013620521570017796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77549642352848132102012-02-20T19:59:14.067-08:002012-02-20T19:59:14.067-08:00I just noticed your response to me, Melissa. I...I just noticed your response to me, Melissa. I'm laughing. I was frustrated because I thought you were removing posts because of content and I wanted to know the good parts! <br /><br />I understand well your preference for us to become familiar and identifiable voices. I like that, too. <br /><br />n...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43398999100339976972012-02-15T15:29:37.779-08:002012-02-15T15:29:37.779-08:00Anonymous comments are against the rules, but a co...Anonymous comments are against the rules, but a comment signed with a pseudonym is okay?<br /><br />This doesn't really make sense. If someone signs a comment with a pseudonym, isn't that pretty much the same as posting an anonymous comment?<br /><br />I'm confused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-47971491618236093422012-02-14T20:16:29.131-08:002012-02-14T20:16:29.131-08:00N, we have policy on anonymous comments, no matter...N, we have policy on anonymous comments, no matter what they say. Charlie and I are trying to be committed to this policy for fairness for all. I can't reprint them all. Our policy is right above the comment box.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-81048405472336650432012-02-13T08:20:32.761-08:002012-02-13T08:20:32.761-08:00What I meant to say is, TFA candidates gave TFA ad...What I meant to say is, TFA candidates gave TFA administrators as references on their applications for certificates (and jobs I would bet). I'm sure the administrators were very objective...; ]StopTFAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08605108615707039386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50185536824319284412012-02-12T11:51:17.839-08:002012-02-12T11:51:17.839-08:00reader,
we are in agreement. That is why King Co...reader,<br /><br />we are in agreement. That is why King County admin refuses to give anything more than name, rank, dogtag number (in a manner of speaking).mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29768037282851430552012-02-12T11:48:45.529-08:002012-02-12T11:48:45.529-08:00On a (marginally) related note, I find it interest...On a (marginally) related note, I find it interesting that the TFA applications for conditional certificates included, for the most part, the local TFA admin people. Hey! That's all you need when "circumstances warrant"!StopTFAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08605108615707039386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73780498662337412802012-02-12T11:42:26.854-08:002012-02-12T11:42:26.854-08:00So many people seem to know what's going on an...So many people seem to know what's going on and I don't. Feels like a lock out. I sort of wish, Melissa, you'd quit removing posts! <br /><br />(Just venting...)<br />n...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31579898968985235922012-02-12T10:51:12.242-08:002012-02-12T10:51:12.242-08:00Candidates only give references they know and who ...<i><b>Candidates only give references they know and who are going to say the good things. </b></i><br /><br />Many jobs require contacts for each current and former supervisor be listed, so that direct phone contact can be made.<br /><br />I would seem that in this situation several supervisors would have been listed.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-25623548278954981802012-02-12T08:37:41.141-08:002012-02-12T08:37:41.141-08:00No mirmac - you aren't making sense. Public ...No mirmac - you aren't making sense. Public money is indeed at stake when former co-workers (at a public entity) can shoot down the job chances for somebody through the process of reference checking. Prospective employees can then sue for damages. Really, the whole business of "checking references" is ridiculous, fraught with innuendo, and unlikely to produce any good results for the hiring bodies. Candidates only give references they know and who are going to say the good things. That is a bias too. It should be discounted.<br /><br />-readerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42537631047518762012-02-11T21:33:50.503-08:002012-02-11T21:33:50.503-08:00I can only say that the people (including myself) ...I can only say that the people (including myself) who knew about this investigation remained silent for months. <br /><br />I was informed this investigation was near conclusion and would become public. I said nothing. <br /><br />But Principal King brought it into the public eye early by choosing to move mid-year to a new school, a new district, knowing the investigation was soon to be public. Times' reporter, Brian Rosenthal, through his own sources, found out about the investigation (which was confirmed by SPS) and wrote about it when Mr. King announced his resignation.<br /><br />I'm not sure the word "enemies" is appropriate. He may have supporters and detractors but I do not believe anyone was out to get him.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88983866102436196882012-02-11T19:11:05.522-08:002012-02-11T19:11:05.522-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77065469496000828192012-02-11T16:51:00.473-08:002012-02-11T16:51:00.473-08:00#Nauseous: I am sorry if my comment was ambiguous...#Nauseous: I am sorry if my comment was ambiguous. I think the whole thing is painful to all concerned. Rephrasing "I cannot imagine going through this myself, its too awful to contemplate and I am glad I don't have to." <br /><br />There are other people involved - his school, his family, staff, friends and enemies. I don't see this issue playing out publicly helping anyone right now.Shannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13865361028544783972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6691073862437878852012-02-11T14:34:37.182-08:002012-02-11T14:34:37.182-08:00I didn't know school districts had different r...I didn't know school districts had different rules. Thanks for the clarification. The approach of just listing dates of employment does go into some public agencies, for example Seattle City Light.Eric Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-198758512313101082012-02-11T13:58:41.286-08:002012-02-11T13:58:41.286-08:00There are special laws for school districts and a ...There are special laws for school districts and a standard screening form that has to be used. If SPS failed to disclose the investigation and Tacoma hired him and then found out that SPS withheld the information, any SPS certicate holder who gave reference information and failed to disclose could potentially loose thier certificates. I have it on good authority that King's references included MGJ, SE, Nancy Coogan, and a Deputy General Counsel. There can be no logical way that SE, NC, and legal didn't know about the investigation. SPS is lucky Tacoma backed out or they would have been in deep to professional practices.ITKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42867276929039744552012-02-11T10:28:03.002-08:002012-02-11T10:28:03.002-08:00In private enterprise circles it is common knowled...In private enterprise circles it is common knowledge that HR give minimal info (e.g. date of hire, date of separation). I know that King County follows this maxim. When we are talking about public funding for which <b>someone MIGHT</b> be accountable, the info provided should be clearly laid out by code or fiat. Because we're not talking about unaccountable investor or privately-held interests, rather this is taxpayer money that oughta be traceable to use and outcome. Of course, when you are Bill Gates, who give a rip?mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64875479786156086422012-02-11T09:59:56.263-08:002012-02-11T09:59:56.263-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64393067672488819062012-02-11T09:52:02.363-08:002012-02-11T09:52:02.363-08:00I think the bigger question is why did SPS re-hire...I think the bigger question is why did SPS re-hire an employee, who was under investigation and who had voluntarilyresigned?Po3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57491630319874581122012-02-11T09:28:14.306-08:002012-02-11T09:28:14.306-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12501272238930655152012-02-11T08:49:55.186-08:002012-02-11T08:49:55.186-08:00Eric, someone in education told me that on the app...Eric, someone in education told me that on the applications for school positions in several districts she has seen a box to check Yes/No "Are you currently under investigation?" I have not verified this myself.Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31790604905058794852012-02-11T08:45:28.918-08:002012-02-11T08:45:28.918-08:00What an employer tells a prospective employer in a...What an employer tells a prospective employer in a job reference is extremely tricky legally. If you give a good reference and the employee turns out to be a dud, you can be sued by the new employer. If you give a bad reference, you can be sued by the employee. Most large employers will only confirm dates of employment when asked for a reference for this very reason. I'm not even allowed to tell a prospective employer anything about people who used to work for me. They have to go to HR, who only confirms dates.<br /><br />Info could theoretically be passed on the QT, but the people who know about the investigation may not be the people who know he's looking for another job.Eric Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-43758808741401755552012-02-11T08:37:55.384-08:002012-02-11T08:37:55.384-08:00Michael, I have seen/heard questions in job review...Michael, I have seen/heard questions in job reviews where the company has asked, "Is there anything you feel we should know about this candidate?"<br /><br />I have also seen/heard this asked at job interviews "Is there anything you feel we need to know about you that we haven't asked?"<br /><br />I think it is legal to ask the question. Whether a company or candidate chooses to answer the question is another thing. <br /><br />The company doesn't have to ask if there is/has been any type of investigation/legal action with a candidate; they can ask if there is anything the district thinks they need to know.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11836619979255331722012-02-10T23:38:35.565-08:002012-02-10T23:38:35.565-08:00Actually, they legally are. If Tacoma had hired hi...Actually, they legally are. If Tacoma had hired him and found out that the SPS staff who gave him postive recommendations were aware of his having engaged in acts contrary to the code of professional conduct for certificated staff, SPS would be on the hook and any certificate holder (including the Sup) could've be subject to loosing thier teaching/administration licensure. <br /><br />ITKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-39395027475313827172012-02-10T23:07:46.281-08:002012-02-10T23:07:46.281-08:00@Melissa: "Apparently the district hadn't...@Melissa: "Apparently the district hadn't told Tacoma about the investigation at Lowell."<br /><br />Really?? You really have to ask/say that? That kind of information is not legally disclosable for job references.<br /><br />That is not to say that someone should have passed the word, but legally they can't do it.Michael Hnoreply@blogger.com