tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post6809122959082136269..comments2024-03-29T02:41:52.718-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: My Dinner with BetsyMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72310214182783858652017-10-17T19:08:39.479-07:002017-10-17T19:08:39.479-07:00Very entertaining synopsis.
-NNNCrVery entertaining synopsis. <br />-NNNCrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-47705284870082004742017-10-17T08:57:52.023-07:002017-10-17T08:57:52.023-07:00The point of education is producing productive cit...The point of education is producing productive citizens. Period. Tests like your favorite, NAEP, are likely largely irrelevant to that end goal.A better measure of "school outcome" should be a 5 or 10 year follow up measuring productive citizenship. Most importantly that would measure income, rates of employment, living situations, civic engagement rates like participation in further schooling, Americorps, military service, charitable contributions, and incarceration rates. Aren't those the things we all really care about? Improving our education means improving these citizenship outcomes. Really, does SBAC or MSP mean anything to the long run outcomes of students? We've already noticed that they do nothing except measure family income. Do AP classes improve income?. Does every college degree translate into improved citizenship? Are there other avenues to citizenship? Does special education provide students with any employability at all? Dan has promoted the notion of testing as proof of his ideological back to basics education. But really. The one thing most people care about, if you had to pick just 1, would be employment and income. Let's focus on income as an educational outcome. We can't answer these questions without measuring it.<br /><br /><br />reader<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12984118005060096012017-10-16T19:12:40.289-07:002017-10-16T19:12:40.289-07:00New research says schools don’t matter much in hel...<a href="http://hechingerreport.org/somebody-lied-education-alone-cant-dismantle-white-supremacy/?utm_source=The+Hechinger+Report&utm_campaign=f72683f56c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d3ee4c3e04-f72683f56c-322621981" rel="nofollow"> <b>New research says schools don’t matter much in helping kids climb the economic ladder</b></a><br /><br /><i>"If there’s one thing that unifies a riven country, it’s the shining promise of education. Democrats, Republicans and education reformers of all stripes are all invested in the belief that schools are the “great equalizer.” But new research out of the University of California, Berkeley, suggests that we’re overselling our belief in schools. That belief, in fact, might barely be a hope."</i><br /><br />"<i>The study’s author, Jesse Rothstein, and his colleagues at Berkeley found that the <b>quality of K-12 schooling has little bearing on individuals’ ability to earn more than their parents.</b> Rothstein’s research addresses commonly held assumptions about social mobility. <b>The study found that family structure (spousal earnings), access to a college education and the ability to parlay that education into a bigger paycheck play much larger roles</b>.</i>"<br /><br />So this situation where liberals and conservatives babble on about who makes what and who pays what and what fraction is returned.... is a big diversion away from educating students.<br /><br />Is it all centered on vendor profits and return on investment or is it about learning or is it about lifetime earnings? .... <br /><br />-- Dan DempseyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30327088306725943832017-10-16T19:06:57.073-07:002017-10-16T19:06:57.073-07:00Dear Ms. DeVos,
Washington state's charter sc...Dear Ms. DeVos,<br /><br />Washington state's charter school law remains in the court system.NO 1240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-3304190089789950912017-10-16T17:33:15.629-07:002017-10-16T17:33:15.629-07:00School Marm, tell that to WPC - that's how the...School Marm, tell that to WPC - that's how they had it in the program.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-52399543978222775322017-10-16T16:01:57.385-07:002017-10-16T16:01:57.385-07:00It's Brussels sprouts - like the city. Not Bru...It's Brussels sprouts - like the city. Not Brussel sprouts.<br /><br />School marmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84317725896146590532017-10-16T10:49:59.473-07:002017-10-16T10:49:59.473-07:00Thanks for the play by play, Melissa. Wow. So mu...Thanks for the play by play, Melissa. Wow. So much to digest...speaking of which, glad you ultimately got to eat.<br /><br />This is stunning:<br /><br />"He sounded what seemed to be the biggest divide between conservatives and liberals today – the notion that that some people in this country work hard and pay taxes and others don’t work so hard, don’t pay taxes and yet want more and more from the government."<br /><br />Liberals need to debunk this b.s. over & over again. This is the same as Romney's 47% comment & that other Republican/Paul Ryan crap about "the makers and the takers." Data show that blue states consistently generate more tax revenue for the federal government than red states. Blue states subsidize red states that take more in terms of dollars received from the federal government vs. dollars paid out in taxes. <br /><br />See this from a NYT 2016 opinion piece:<br /><br />"The states that rank at the top of this list are the ones that are paying the highest proportion of the country’s bills while ranking lowest in terms of voting power in the Electoral College. New Jersey, Minnesota, Illinois, Colorado, Massachusetts, New York, Wisconsin, Michigan, Connecticut, California, Washington and Oregon. Those states make up the overwhelming majority of Hillary Clinton’s Electoral College support in 2016. They are also paying billions of dollars of taxes and receiving only a fraction back in benefits and other federal spending."<br /><br />I am not trying to further stoke the fires of the blue state/red state divide, but the notion that liberals don't work hard & pay their share of taxes is so offensive, and patently false that it needs to be debunked every single time that false flag is raised. alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01999319161830539952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87646605230950504552017-10-16T00:57:19.293-07:002017-10-16T00:57:19.293-07:00Meliissa - thank you for your presence anc the det...Meliissa - thank you for your presence anc the detailed debrief. Very much appreciated.Joe Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747791661117554332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-66092043436651015152017-10-15T21:31:10.949-07:002017-10-15T21:31:10.949-07:00It was a weird thing that DeVos didn't mention...It was a weird thing that DeVos didn't mention teachers, testing, poverty, high-need students - nothing, just "choice." Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38442265638892976122017-10-15T20:28:26.235-07:002017-10-15T20:28:26.235-07:00Mercedes Schneider has a piece on Betsy DeVos here...Mercedes Schneider has a piece on Betsy DeVos here =><br /><br /><a href="https://deutsch29.wordpress.com/2017/10/15/an-interview-with-yohuru-williams-about-betsy-devos/" rel="nofollow"><b> Yohuru Williams on Betsy DeVos </b></a><br /><br />-- Dan DempseyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com