tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post7505142047459307940..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Murder Mystery Theater...in MIddle School?Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44522461265767827822014-08-06T00:08:56.144-07:002014-08-06T00:08:56.144-07:00Prime components of successful team building event...Prime components of successful team building events involves activities either indoor or outdoor that requires creative energies, tasks to build fellowship and innovating thinking.<br /><a href="http://www.terryshanemurdermysteries.ca/teambuilding.html" rel="nofollow">Team building Vancouver</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09654623793466750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59058587431799734822009-12-26T21:24:51.961-08:002009-12-26T21:24:51.961-08:00Not saying I don't like or use Wikipedia. I do...<i>Not saying I don't like or use Wikipedia. I do. But I refrain from citing any data that I gather from it as it is not always (100% of the time) a reliable source.</i><br /><br />No on-line source is. Neither is most printed material. Your standard is quite high.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01136112516250432897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11749740437012039592009-12-18T08:49:40.672-08:002009-12-18T08:49:40.672-08:00ann, it was kind of a joke, but I guess it didn...ann, it was kind of a joke, but I guess it didn't go over too well...<br /><br />using wikipedia to refute accusations that wikipedia isn't credible...nyuk nyuk<br /><br />Sorry, to intent to challenge you (though we have had the discussion about wikipedia recently, I forget which thread, and it's a pretty good resource...)<br /><br />anyway...happy holidays!seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-47852809056917135092009-12-18T08:18:39.028-08:002009-12-18T08:18:39.028-08:00To each his own Sea Cit.
My child's school w...To each his own Sea Cit. <br /><br />My child's school will not allow students to use Wikipedia, nor will my place of employment accept it as credible.<br /><br />That's hardly a fairy Tale<br /><br />Sea cit maybe you should challenge Seattle Schools instead of me<br /><br />Not saying I don't like or use Wikipedia. I do. But I refrain from citing any data that I gather from it as it is not always (100% of the time) a reliable source.seattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01231800476411684686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48394434993445921072009-12-18T08:06:00.380-08:002009-12-18T08:06:00.380-08:00ann, the idea that Wikipedia isn't credible is...ann, the idea that Wikipedia isn't credible is a fairy tale, and is refuted here:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<br />Reliability_of_Wikipediaseattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30662966701336016632009-12-17T22:38:29.235-08:002009-12-17T22:38:29.235-08:00"fairy tales were originally intended for adu..."fairy tales were originally intended for adult audiences..."<br /><br />Um, that may be so but they have been read to very young children for several generations in many countries.<br /><br />And BTW I don't generally accept wikipedia as a credible source to quote.seattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01231800476411684686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-52632223631088047012009-12-17T22:20:12.373-08:002009-12-17T22:20:12.373-08:00If you think kids today are "normalized"...If you think kids today are "normalized" to violence, you should check out the kids from the 12th century!<br /><br />Little Onfim couldn't even learn to write his letters without including a drawing himself impaling an enemy.<br /><br />http://www.goldschp.net<br />/archive/<br />childart.html<br /><br />The more things change...Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16540428343439198125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-15186070254974730472009-12-17T20:56:38.101-08:002009-12-17T20:56:38.101-08:00My kids were in the Waldorf school world for sever...My kids were in the Waldorf school world for several years. I am no expert on the pedagogy, but this is what I do know:<br /><br />1) Media of all types was discouraged, particularly in the 7 and under ages. Books are great at home, but don't appear in the classroom until 1st grade.<br /><br />2) Fairy tales and other world legends were big. Dragon slaying Saints (grade 2), Jewish heros evading murderous plots (grade 3) , and Norse gods wreaking havoc, and eventually restoring order (grade 4). <br /><br />3) Again, I can't speak to the pedagogy much, but I know all of these things were presented at certain times, for certain reasons. I could be wrong, but one of the theories is that kids are pretty black/white, good/evil in their assessment of the world (anyone have a speed checking child in the back seat of their car?). These stories speak to them where they are in their that development. <br /><br />All I know is that my kids ate it up. It was so much more interesting for them than the color the 1's red and the 2's blue stuff they were getting in the early elementary school years.<br /><br />Finally, I think most kids take away what they are able to digest. I know nothing of animorphs, but I know my kids have read and loved many books which are much richer and deeper on so many levels than the level they happened to be on. To me that is the sign of a great book.GreyWatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177134279070087546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73861994436879549332009-12-17T18:44:21.963-08:002009-12-17T18:44:21.963-08:00When my kid was 6 he loved Animorphs. He read them...When my kid was 6 he loved Animorphs. He read them himself though. Same with Goosebumps, but I did read and enjoy a few of each series. <br /><br />When he was about 13, he read "Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe Violence" by Gerald Jones. It was his parenting bible for a while.Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-58426842076050448152009-12-17T18:28:59.048-08:002009-12-17T18:28:59.048-08:00fairy tales were originally intended for adult aud...fairy tales were originally intended for adult audiences... see:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_taleSahilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610179287237833742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4249786887712113952009-12-17T18:19:09.435-08:002009-12-17T18:19:09.435-08:00"See all the stories being written for childr..."See all the stories being written for children these days that are filled with violent subject matter and plots and characterisations that were reserved for adults in the past..."<br /><br />Violent subject matter being written for children has been going on for a long time.....Fairy Tails come to mind?seattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01231800476411684686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-42308933830987687892009-12-17T16:28:00.190-08:002009-12-17T16:28:00.190-08:00Perhaps people might want to think about the role ...Perhaps people might want to think about the role of media in 'normalising' violence for our kids and communities...<br /><br />See all the stories being written for children these days that are filled with violent subject matter and plots and characterisations that were reserved for adults in the past...<br /><br />See the language used to refer to authority figures - I hear the word 'cops' being applied to policemen and women constantly by mainstream media... in my time (!!!), using the term "cop" was considered an insult and disrespectful...<br /><br />See how the police move around the city heavily armed.... as if they expect murder and mayhem at every corner... and what they expect is what they do get back because, logically, what kind of a response are they likely to get from marginalised elements of the community when they are equipped and authorised to use such lethal devices (seems to me, from recent events, that its often a case of "shoot first, ask questions later")...<br /><br />In New Zealand and the UK, police are not routinely armed... they have firearms available to them in the boot (trunk) of their patrol cars, but they do not wear guns on their persons... and look at the rate of killings in those countries.... much lower than here....<br /><br />Here in this country, (multiple) killings are described casually (as 'normal' events) on the news every night of the week - the state of the weather gets more attention and excitement. <br /><br />And then we have games and theatre that normalise and make violence 'fun'????<br /><br />And then you wonder why there is so much violence in this corner of the world????<br /><br />Its here because we teach our kids that its normal and to expect it, that violence is a legitimate way to deal with problems...<br /><br />See the death penalty for the truth of that:<br /><br />Thou shalt not kill, but if you kill, we shall kill you... where is the logic?<br /><br />Thou shalt not kill, unless you are a member of the police force or the armed services, and then we shall send you to other countries to kill people you dont even know and who dont know you and we'll give you medals when you come home...<br /><br />Its so basic.....Sahilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610179287237833742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-83793495366179353122009-12-17T09:11:21.508-08:002009-12-17T09:11:21.508-08:00Melissa, you are right that the timing is off, per...Melissa, you are right that the timing is off, perhaps, with these recent tragedies...and I believe murder, death, violence....needs context.<br /><br />With you, I share a sadness about ALL these recent murders.seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-24939156858436501952009-12-16T21:15:11.187-08:002009-12-16T21:15:11.187-08:00I note that no one noticed that I said maybe it...I note that no one noticed that I said maybe it's sadness over the police officers but picked up easily on the Scrooge thing. I did rather set myself up (lesson learned).Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13482788206579057962009-12-16T20:01:25.729-08:002009-12-16T20:01:25.729-08:00I suppose this isn't where I should share that...I suppose this isn't where I should share that I was reading Stephen King novels in elementary school? Well, I enjoyed them, anyway.djhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720927162286657378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72239452295038024012009-12-16T17:07:10.929-08:002009-12-16T17:07:10.929-08:00Megan Mc,
you wrote that
"Isn't that cens...Megan Mc,<br />you wrote that<br />"Isn't that censorship? It's not the school's job to regulate what kids check out."<br />well...yes it is. School librarians determine what, exactly, is in their libraries that students can check out. They can (and do) "censor" every time they make an acquisition. You're right that they might not decide what a kid checks out from ther library, but one would hope they would decide what gets put on the shelves.<br />I don't think "Clockwork Orange" is on the shelves of many K-5s!<br />Animorphs? Don't know 'em.<br /><br />But this is an interesting discussion...Themes: which, for which level...wow, tough one...with parental permission, a student can check out anything, in my opinion, but without it edcuators in class and library might do well to be thoughtful about content. The bigger questions are:<br />a) is the student developmentally and academically prepared for the text?<br />b) as it's school-related, how does it fit the curriculum, what are the knowledge and skills being taught/modeled, who is the school and/or parent mediator between child and text? <br />c) Is it sex and violence for sex and violence's sake? Why bother? That's just feeding base (and crass) desires for entertainment. Violence is out there; let's learn lessons from it rather than glorify it or commodify it (aren't there Animorph tie-ins? I haven't seen any for Lord of the Flies...)seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49312355198594370732009-12-16T16:34:51.760-08:002009-12-16T16:34:51.760-08:00Sahila said,
I am angry at school for allowing my...Sahila said, <br />I am angry at school for allowing my 6 year old to come home with two "animorph" books from the school library last week.<br /><br />Isn't that censorship? It's not the school's job to regulate what kids check out. <br /><br />You did your job as a parent in helping your child determine what is appropriate for him at his stage. Other first graders will be at different stages and other families may be fine with the content of the book.Megan Mchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08526624057081098551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64762969134303389362009-12-16T15:37:29.498-08:002009-12-16T15:37:29.498-08:00You are definitely a scrooge!You are definitely a scrooge!Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12875541753709754758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87101046124010413842009-12-16T15:13:49.676-08:002009-12-16T15:13:49.676-08:00Here's that link in a more convenient form:
h...Here's that link in a more convenient form:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.kcls.org/teens/booklist.cfm?booklistid=46" rel="nofollow">http://www.kcls.org/teens/booklist.cfm?booklistid=46</a>Elizabeth Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04731168985909727486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-87467171859462691392009-12-16T15:11:16.334-08:002009-12-16T15:11:16.334-08:00Really?
Here's the King County Library System...Really?<br /><br />Here's the King County Library System's list of "Classic Novels for Middle School Readers": http://www.kcls.org/teens/booklist.cfm?booklistid=46<br /><br />I think if they can handle (among others) Across Five Aprils, The Time Machine, The Lord of the Flies, and To Kill a Mockingbird, they sure as heck can handle a 30-minute murder mystery play that is almost assuredly far more Columbo than CSI.Elizabeth Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04731168985909727486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88773679597994123782009-12-16T13:08:52.374-08:002009-12-16T13:08:52.374-08:00Drama for children needs something big to happen.....Drama for children needs something big to happen... for children, that's not necessarily "murder, romantic betrayal, or large-scale political corruption", as per Elizabeth's post...<br /><br />there's plenty more happening in life that is dramatic...Sahilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610179287237833742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-84039449488246316342009-12-16T13:07:22.114-08:002009-12-16T13:07:22.114-08:00Our kids are being forced to grow up too fast as i...Our kids are being forced to grow up too fast as it is, especially in the media/video games/books etc... I agree with Melissa - this subject matter is inappropriate for a dramatic performance for this age level...<br /><br />I am angry at school for allowing my 6 year old to come home with two "animorph" books from the school library last week. He was drawn to the cover illustrations - had no idea about the story line. He wanted me to read him the stories... I checked out the content and refused... I dont need my 6 year old to explore teenage/adult ideas about fighting for the survival of human beings, trapping human beings in their 'morph' states to take them out of the 'game'; threatening to kill others...Sahilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610179287237833742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-18234517565538070712009-12-16T09:04:03.799-08:002009-12-16T09:04:03.799-08:00sounds like fun to me. I loved reading mysteries ...sounds like fun to me. I loved reading mysteries as a kid (still do actually).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41466628051927653922009-12-16T08:58:16.282-08:002009-12-16T08:58:16.282-08:00Most children's books have dead parents.Most children's books have dead parents.Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-35553785366339291642009-12-16T07:55:46.180-08:002009-12-16T07:55:46.180-08:00To your point, Elizabeth, what you are talking abo...To your point, Elizabeth, what you are talking about is conflict. It does not always need to be large or deadly. Most children's books have great drama without any of the things you suggest.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.com