tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post8206134894874273773..comments2024-03-28T23:38:22.511-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Things Are Getting InterestingMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-30238574449368611562012-10-13T12:58:54.490-07:002012-10-13T12:58:54.490-07:00Sundquist gave a lot more than that to DFER which ...Sundquist gave a lot more than that to DFER which gave money to YES 1240Dorothy Nevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17108759281089768738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40243055852468366252012-10-13T09:17:58.268-07:002012-10-13T09:17:58.268-07:00 Steve Sundquist did contribute to the 1240 charte... Steve Sundquist did contribute to the 1240 charter scammers. Perhaps he is hoping his $250 will buy him a spot on the charter commission? <br /><br />CTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-65440919639550588392012-10-12T16:47:20.556-07:002012-10-12T16:47:20.556-07:00"Mistruths," Melissa? How droll! Methi..."Mistruths," Melissa? How droll! Methinks you have had to sit through too many meetings with the "truthiness" folks lately. It is affecting your writing. Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09923777229601243321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-50628994276851563892012-10-12T14:44:53.152-07:002012-10-12T14:44:53.152-07:00DistrictWatcher, Steve Sundquist is at the top of ...DistrictWatcher, Steve Sundquist is at the top of my list of people who will want to be on the Charter Commission. But it would seem that being telling mistruths would disqualify him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485101844712536985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-54486135065820430032012-10-12T12:52:39.646-07:002012-10-12T12:52:39.646-07:00I have privately been nursing the ideas that Hugh ...I have privately been nursing the ideas that Hugh Spitzer discusses in the Stranger for some time -- and wondering how in the heck to finance a constitutional challenge -- because while Hugh has WAY WAY more constitutional law chope than I (or most other people) do -- I think he is spot on (and I didn't even know about the "common schools" decision. <br /><br />Regardless of whether some version of charter schools could ever be a good idea (and I think it could -- but not in any form I currently see them in), I totally believe that the ed reform crowd has gotten too greedy. In trying to figure out how to transfer public assets (tax revenues but even more importantly, capital assets paid for with ed levies and state taxes), they have totally overreached. I am astounded by the idea that they have proposed (and voters who have NOT read the bill, and think they are getting "greater" choice and community control) conversion schools that on the vote of a majority of either parents or teachers can be turned over to charters -- with some "pro rata share" of levy money attached -- even though NO large scale manager of capital assets would EVER manage capital funds that way. <br /><br />When you stand back and look at the balance between the "transfer of public assets and funding to private entities" provisions, versus anything in these bills that actually helps students, provides greater accountability, or more choice -- it is BLINDINGLY obvious that this legislation is about asset transfer -- not improving educational choice or achievement. Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09923777229601243321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74515986303718993172012-10-12T10:45:23.190-07:002012-10-12T10:45:23.190-07:00Unfortunately, the list of opponents, including lo...Unfortunately, the list of opponents, including local school boards, of I-1240 is easy for the supporters to spin --- from their point of view ALL of these groups are protectors of the status quo. They (the ed reformers) are the only true, moral voices for the disenfranchised. The rest are just trying to keep their jobs and protect the adults in the system.<br /><br />--- Spin DoctorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-21676248741107584222012-10-12T00:27:56.181-07:002012-10-12T00:27:56.181-07:00Busy comment section for Jerry Cornfield article @...Busy comment section for Jerry Cornfield article @ Everett Herald<br /><br />http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20121011/NEWS01/710119955/1036/NEWS05#Group-behind-charter-school-initiative-goes-after-McAuliffe<br /><br />Public School ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73689405193734620942012-10-11T23:28:23.231-07:002012-10-11T23:28:23.231-07:00That a no on charters unanimously came from the ex...That a no on charters unanimously came from the executive board is the only bright spot I can point to in DeBell's board presidency this past year.<br /><br />Can't wait for the full vote. Wonder what Harium Martin-Morris who has been positioning himself for a state education board position for the last 4 years will do. <br /><br />Wonder how Steve Sundquist "I don't support charters while running for school board but now that I lost I'm BFF with LEVites MacFarlane and Hanauer and running around town campaigning for them" will feel about seeing his ex-board vote Thumbs Down.<br /><br />DistrictWatcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88349029873770932812012-10-11T22:45:33.976-07:002012-10-11T22:45:33.976-07:00And nick. Anyone whose comment is "you suck a...And nick. Anyone whose comment is "you suck at messaging" should look inside their heart. You would do well to heed your own feedback and undertake some improved messaging yourself. <br /><br />-blast donorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-4892008463949791672012-10-11T22:41:07.471-07:002012-10-11T22:41:07.471-07:00If the school board votes to oppose, and I hope,ho...If the school board votes to oppose, and I hope,hope, hope they do, and I even think they will, the collective heads of LEV, stand, Alliance, DFER will spin so severely we may have a wind event in the area. that will not go over well.<br /><br />I emailed the board in support of a vote to oppose. I suspect they are being lobbied mightily right about now. Let's not let those be the only voices heard. <br /><br />Go school board ! No on 1240<br /><br />-blast donorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59610927088882917402012-10-11T21:30:48.014-07:002012-10-11T21:30:48.014-07:00NIck, I usually agree with most of what you say, b...NIck, I usually agree with most of what you say, but not about Meliaa's attempts at fighting off charter schools. Melissa has done more than anyone I know to speak out and go out against charter's. I heard her again at the Met Dem Club meeting yesterday. I thought that she might be "preaching to the choir" but there were so many interested people present with honest questions which she answered with patience and knowledge. She debated Tim Ceis the other evening and that was a challenge, as Mr. Ceis has quite a presence. You must be very frustrated as this post is not like you. The Nick I know is a kind person.<br /><br />CarolCarol Simmonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-317937570893003392012-10-11T21:26:48.960-07:002012-10-11T21:26:48.960-07:00"YOU S**K AT MESSAGING."
Nick, our demo..."YOU S**K AT MESSAGING."<br /><br />Nick, our democracy protects our right to speak our mind, but could you please be more civil? Thank you.Juanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15097177785466883340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12503398789705075302012-10-11T20:26:38.493-07:002012-10-11T20:26:38.493-07:00@Nick,
You really need to take a dose of your ow...@Nick, <br /><br />You really need to take a dose of your own medicine. <br /><br />I think Melissa has done an absolutely admirable job. It is very disheartening to hear your attack of unpaid volunteer. How exactly is she supposed to get millions and millions of dollars to oppose the campaign? <br /><br />Next time you want to take aim at a volunteer, take them from the trenches, when you have pulled your own weight. Otherwise, your criticisms are just cheap pot shots.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03542105149501352547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-53892214549275911192012-10-11T18:50:33.363-07:002012-10-11T18:50:33.363-07:00So, uh, Nick, what have YOU done? Did you come out...So, uh, Nick, what have YOU done? Did you come out with some ads or YouTube videos? Did YOU rally some big-name opponents?<br /><br />While I agree that it would be nice to have a more organized, better funded opposition, I haven't seen YOUR work on this.<br /><br />This is blog. Melissa is one person, and, I might aff, regular ol' person who has a life - education is not her career. She doesn't pay herself to be the leader of the No on I1240 campaign.<br /><br />Jeez. Cut her some slack. Until we see YOUR name heading an opposition movement.<br /><br />Lastly, how exactly does one find eight million dollars to fund an opposition against such a well-heeled opponent? Money buys eyes and ears. How much have YOU donated to No on I-1240, Nick?seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19762964802638142512012-10-11T18:01:21.743-07:002012-10-11T18:01:21.743-07:00New article @Washington State Wire
http://washin...New article @Washington State Wire <br /><br />http://washingtonstatewire.com/blog/business-communitys-20-year-effort-to-fix-state-schools-drives-this-years-charter-schools-initiative/<br /><br />Public School ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-38639943830038989172012-10-11T17:50:40.885-07:002012-10-11T17:50:40.885-07:00Melissa's hopeless attempt of fighting off cha...Melissa's hopeless attempt of fighting off charter schools with circular arguments seems counter productive. You're making arguments like you are critiquing great food or wine. <br /><br />It seems kind of useless to have a comeback or solution at the last minute of the elections. I have said this a million times, no offense or defense. It is like the "sky is falling blog." <br /><br />Perhaps if you ran radio ads and put out signs earlier, the yes vote would not be up 49%. It is not just you it is the limp wristed teachers whom can't fight back, the inept school district whom have allowed charter schools to flourish. <br /><br />I for one will be voting against charter schools. But again you are preaching to the converted. You have to reach the undecided. This is a campaign. You have to use all your media sources and get your word out early. <br /><br />YOU SUCK AT MESSAGING. <br /><br />Here are some things you can do next time:<br />1. Came out earlier with a campaign and or;<br />2. Could have involved bigger stake holders than just this blog and its followers and or; <br />3. You could have made a YouTube video or several of them about why they are bad with links to other sites and your blog and or;<br />4. You could have done a better job raising money early on and or;<br />5. You should have ran this campaign on every inch of the state and or;<br />6. Lastly, you could have made this about the people it concerns instead of yourself.<br /><br />You at save the Seattle blog throwing gas on the fire and then call 9-1-1 at the last minute. You make it seem so bad or look bad before offering solutions.<br /><br />In closing, it is not a thing where you are critiquing the situation, but it should be about how to solve it, taking the situation and tearing it apart and telling us point by point why it is good or bad.<br />Nick Esparzanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73335635322477709522012-10-11T17:43:58.164-07:002012-10-11T17:43:58.164-07:00Latest I-1240 coverage in Vancouver & Spokane
...Latest I-1240 coverage in Vancouver & Spokane<br /><br /><br />http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/oct/10/vote-revives-charter-school-debate/<br /><br />http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/oct/07/would-public-charter-schools-help-hurt-our-kids/<br /><br />http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/oct/08/charter-schools-yes/<br /><br />http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/sep/10/letter-charter-schools-wrong-our-state/<br /><br />http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/sep/03/charter-schools-study-state/<br /><br />Spokane <br /><br />http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/sep/23/editorial-initiative-1240-approve-to-advance/<br /><br />Some weekend reading and great comment from Melissa in Spokane comment section.<br /><br />Public School ParentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com