tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post829221665287576060..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Franklin Student Arrested for BB gun at schoolMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40519852032900020712011-12-29T03:42:17.412-08:002011-12-29T03:42:17.412-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.daisynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62166362550817426092011-12-08T12:45:44.693-08:002011-12-08T12:45:44.693-08:00in reference to the recent robberies in the restro...<i>in reference to the recent robberies in the restrooms of Garfield ( possibly armed robberies). While the principal apparently arranged for some of the goods to be returned to the students, those responsible have not been arrested or even apparently suspended.</i><br /><br />Not true. It took a few days, but someone was identified, and has been removed from school.<br /><br />-a.nony.mouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-5222515702441815782011-12-08T10:04:10.935-08:002011-12-08T10:04:10.935-08:00Melissa...I was trying to follow up on this, but c...Melissa...I was trying to follow up on this, but can't find the original article on the Seattle Times website. That makes me really curious. Why did they remove the story? I haven't seen a peep about this anywhere else.<br /><br />Solvay GirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-86129051793110378142011-12-08T06:47:14.220-08:002011-12-08T06:47:14.220-08:00As always, the Simpsons says it best:
http://www....As always, the Simpsons says it best:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-60592385432586217392011-12-07T18:17:25.147-08:002011-12-07T18:17:25.147-08:00emeraldkity -- I am missing your point. Could you ...<i>emeraldkity -- I am missing your point. Could you elaborate?</i><br /><br />Sorry it was in reference to the recent robberies in the restrooms of Garfield ( possibly armed robberies). While the principal apparently arranged for some of the goods to be returned to the students, those responsible have not been arrested or even apparently suspended.Jet City momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14804841958585043967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72160780518776869362011-12-07T17:12:34.065-08:002011-12-07T17:12:34.065-08:00I agree that the witness did the right thing by al...I agree that the witness did the right thing by alerting authorities -- no problem with the idea that someone seeing something like that will have no clue whether the gun is real (and if so, loaded or not), a bb gun, an airsoft gun, a squirt gun painted black, etc. <br /><br />I totally concur with dj (and Melissa, I think) that an arrest/jail/juvie record here is "probably " not warranted. Kids are not adults. They are kids. we are "raising" them -- whether as parents, teachers, society at large, whatever. Now, that is not to say that "kids" cannot, and do not, sometimes do adult-sized damage -- so I am not suggesting that we ignore what they do. But while logic suggests to me that by middle school, all kids should reasonably know that you cant take a bb gun to school -- and thus to infer that this kid was a baddie, with bad intentions -- I think what is required here is a whole lot of question-asking. If I find out that the gun was loaded with bbs and that the kid in fact intended to walk into his sixth period english class and shoot some other child -- or the teacher -- I really have no problem with a juvenile arrest. If on the other hand, he brought it for some silly video they were working on in social studies, or brought it to school empty because he was mugged yesteray on the way home and thought that having it might "scare" the neighborhood baddies into leaving him alone today -- or because a friend wanted to see it and he just "didn't think" -- well, then -- no. NOW he needs a long conversation about the rules, why they are there, what MIGHT have happened to him if, when the police arrived, they thought he had a loaded gun (a wood carving knife cost John Williams his life in far less extreme circumstances). Arrest/expulsion etc. is more than useless in such cases -- it is -- as dj points out --potentially extremely harmful. <br /><br />Here is hoping that the "adults in charge" (parents, school administrators, police) figure out how to handle this one right.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09923777229601243321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31012315887318877992011-12-07T16:53:45.532-08:002011-12-07T16:53:45.532-08:00emeraldkity -- I am missing your point. Could you...emeraldkity -- I am missing your point. Could you elaborate?Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09923777229601243321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-62623599802526891732011-12-07T11:02:35.691-08:002011-12-07T11:02:35.691-08:00So can (and does, statistically) getting prosecute...<i>So can (and does, statistically) getting prosecuted and passed through juvenile justice or criminal justice while a teenager</i><br /><br />So maybe he should have attended Garfield?Jet City momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14804841958585043967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64660175884781112262011-12-07T10:36:08.218-08:002011-12-07T10:36:08.218-08:00You can cause a panic in school. You really think ...<i>You can cause a panic in school. You really think that it's okay for our children to have heard about school shootings and to experience the fear that engenders? That's okay with you?<br /><br />And, if the police had confronted the kid and he got confused and didn't put it down, they would have shot him dead.</i><br /><br />Excellent points Melissa, I had not even considered the possibility of a school shooting.<br /><br />And I think we all agree that jail for juveniles is not necessarily the answer, but I believe the witness (note, NOT the school) that called the police was acting in the best interest of everyone in the surrounding area—students, staff, pedestrians, people waiting for the bus—except perhaps the kid with the gun. <br /><br />This was not a 10-yr-old who wanted to proudly show off his new BB gun. This was a kid who lives in an area where guns are common and sometimes deadly accessories. Our students must NOT get the idea that it is OK to bring a gun of any kind to school.<br /><br />SolvayGirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-40962148665186435822011-12-07T10:12:10.382-08:002011-12-07T10:12:10.382-08:00Agreed DJ. This kid needs help and jail isn't...Agreed DJ. This kid needs help and jail isn't it. (That said, he needs a Scared Straight moment.)Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-44618679265966079662011-12-07T09:55:09.526-08:002011-12-07T09:55:09.526-08:00No, this is the kind of thing we have jails for in...No, this is the kind of thing we have jails for in the modern era when we in the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world and use jail and prison as "solutions" for every social problem. It's not some sort of natural thing, even in the context of American history. This is a high school student. Surely we can come up with better interventions than those that are shown to actually increase recidivism.djhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720927162286657378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-13434128369665731422011-12-07T09:32:36.337-08:002011-12-07T09:32:36.337-08:00Statistically, the kid was probably alread well on...Statistically, the kid was probably alread well on his way to committing crimes as an adult if he hasn't already committed one. And, he was probably well on his way to committing crimes that very day in the school. Why else would you bring a gun to school - BB or otherwise? Yes, it's too bad people, anybody, have to be arrested. Yes, it's too bad there isn't better outcomes for people who do wind up in jail. But this is the type of event we have jails for.<br /><br />readerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-33247989416605302512011-12-07T09:27:18.981-08:002011-12-07T09:27:18.981-08:00A bb gun can cause real damage. So can (and does,...A bb gun can cause real damage. So can (and does, statistically) getting prosecuted and passed through juvenile justice or criminal justice while a teenager. Statistically, this kid will probably now be more likely to commit crimes as an adult. Huzzah for all of us.djhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720927162286657378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-55122351254355378662011-12-07T08:59:12.515-08:002011-12-07T08:59:12.515-08:00Real issues, I wrote this elsewhere...what!?!
You...Real issues, I wrote this elsewhere...what!?!<br /><br />You can hurt someone with a BB gun. I grew up in a rural area and yes, you can do a fair amount of damage. <br /><br />You can cause a panic in school. You really think that it's okay for our children to have heard about school shootings and to experience the fear that engenders? That's okay with you?<br /><br />And, if the police had confronted the kid and he got confused and didn't put it down, they would have shot him dead.<br /><br />No tragedies there.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-29407072070343615002011-12-07T08:52:27.967-08:002011-12-07T08:52:27.967-08:00A BB gun is indeed a real threat. First of all, ...A BB gun is indeed a real threat. First of all, they look like real guns so the police will often send out a swat team endangering everyone. (This happened at John Hay a few weeks ago too, but it didn't seem to make it into the blogosphere.) Secondly, a BB gun is indeed dangerous and has no place in a school. Bringing one shows depraved indifference to the school and to classmates. It is a real isue.<br /><br />readerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22282495438284016022011-12-07T08:29:11.110-08:002011-12-07T08:29:11.110-08:00I have a friend who has had a glass eye since he w...I have a friend who has had a glass eye since he was 15...the result of a BB gun—honest! I does happen and they can cause serious harm.<br /><br />Perhaps if you lived in the southend and were constantly getting the news of brutal muggings and now the death of Danny Vega you would have a different perspective on a teen with anything that looked like a very real gun.<br /><br />We've had teens shoot at people on busses (from the street), beat and rob other teens on their way home from light rail stations and more—9 brutal robberies in the last 8 weeks. Even the local news is reporting these events (not something they usually do).<br /><br />Yes, this time it was a BB gun—but it could just have easily been real, so I think erring on the side of caution is the optimum response. <br /><br />SolvayGirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22590259662258801502011-12-07T08:18:08.551-08:002011-12-07T08:18:08.551-08:00While guns have no place in school, what kind of &...While guns have no place in school, what kind of "real tragedy" was the kid going to cause with a BB gun? A little perspective would go a long way in this case. <br /><br />Signed: Let's focus on real issuesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com