tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post8586276588442503635..comments2024-03-27T20:01:11.889-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Live Blogging from Growth BoundariesMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11518618071022739252013-11-16T08:38:50.083-08:002013-11-16T08:38:50.083-08:00Enough - who the heck is Paul?Enough - who the heck is Paul?seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49457039600240664212013-11-16T02:27:15.781-08:002013-11-16T02:27:15.781-08:00Paul pretty much nailed it.
--enough alreadyPaul pretty much nailed it. <br /><br />--enough alreadyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-74977894523416540132013-11-15T17:31:03.330-08:002013-11-15T17:31:03.330-08:00Julie, I did try looking them up but couldn't....Julie, I did try looking them up but couldn't. I'd thought they were with Middle College, but there is only an old, archived page on district site. It is declared archive only. Middle College site says they have five programs, but only four are listed/linked. One of the four is MC Northgate, which I think is where IH was sent packing to, but no mention of IH there.<br />I suspect that there are no more students and the office at Lincoln is the only remnant.<br />The students have dissappeared.<br />I know some people DO care. I am just so sad about this situation. I see so much discussion here, which is good and does influence the district as people talk to each other....just not a lot about IH....or Pinehurst, for that matter.I hope we can all stand in support of the (numerically) weakest among us.<br />Thank you for trying to help the IH program. There is a good possibility that the program will re-emerge.<br />Evidently, there is a rally in support of it at JSCEE at 4:00 next Wednesday, before the board meeting...seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-18306980642563900072013-11-15T15:45:05.784-08:002013-11-15T15:45:05.784-08:00Carole Simmonse,
I am not against re-starting an ...Carole Simmonse,<br /><br />I am not against re-starting an Indian Heritage School. If we can create a place where students will be happier, more engaged and more successful I'm all for it. I don't know where you got the idea I wasn't. I pointed out the fact that there is currently no school - I didn't celebrate it.<br /><br />Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-22697287727230754942013-11-15T09:19:53.344-08:002013-11-15T09:19:53.344-08:00Director DeBell told me that the Board had taken b...Director DeBell told me that the Board had taken back the authority to make program placement decisions for APP, International Education, and Montessori as capacity management tools.' - Charlie<br /><br />When did he say that? Because I never heard this stated publicly and it seems like a major issue that would have been publicly stated. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-10400926235534698342013-11-15T08:31:14.744-08:002013-11-15T08:31:14.744-08:00Seattle Citizen,
I think they may still be at WP....Seattle Citizen,<br /><br />I think they may still be at WP. Interesting though, if you are so concerned about them, you can try looking it up yourself and see what can be done. <br /><br />And as for other people not caring, actually I am sure there are those who care you don't know about . I've already written several letters to the superintendent and the board asking to save the program and do right by them. It's a start. <br /><br />Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573296604005562942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31080399103685415032013-11-15T07:31:11.190-08:002013-11-15T07:31:11.190-08:00According to the OSPI 2012-13 District Summary, 1....According to the OSPI 2012-13 District Summary, 1.0% (around 500 students) identify as American Indian/Alaska Native. <br /><br />a readerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-31823642916263737122013-11-15T07:21:55.176-08:002013-11-15T07:21:55.176-08:00Dear CCA,
Thank you.
It is not only perfectly acce...Dear CCA,<br />Thank you.<br />It is not only perfectly acceptable to "shout" in anger, it is also necessary. There are many voices that will join you and will continue to "shout" and translate these written and verbal shouts into action to fight social and educational injustice. <br /><br />Lynne, the Indian Heritage Program must be revitalized and the placement of this program depends upon many things among them the District's efforts and commitment to actually revitalize it. Financial and human resources must be provided. The District let the Program/School fail and the District is responsible to make it succeed. Whether it is combined with AS1(Pinehurst)or stands alone at Lincoln or placed at John Marshall will hopefully be determined soon. Whether it will be a pathway program housed at Ingraham High School is also being considered. Whatever happens this Program must be restored and returned eventually to the Licton Springs (Wilson Pacific) site with the buildings on this site named after Former Native American Principal and Community Leader, Robert Eaglestaff. In all of the Growth Boundry Discussions, the Placement of the Indian Heritage program should take priority and once it is revitalized, resources must be provided to insure that it thrives.Carol Simmonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-17564416587797070282013-11-15T07:20:58.491-08:002013-11-15T07:20:58.491-08:00Dear CCA,
Thank you.
It is not only perfectly acce...Dear CCA,<br />Thank you.<br />It is not only perfectly acceptable to "shout" in anger, it is also necessary. There are many voices that will join you and will continue to "shout" and translate these written and verbal shouts into action to fight social and educational injustice. <br /><br />Lynne, the Indian Heritage Program must be revitalized and the placement of this program depends upon many things among them the District's efforts and commitment to actually revitalize it. Financial and human resources must be provided. The District let the Program/School fail and the District is responsible to make it succeed. Whether it is combined with AS1(Pinehurst)or stands alone at Lincoln or placed at John Marshall will hopefully be determined soon. Whether it will be a pathway program housed at Ingraham High School is also being considered. Whatever happens this Program must be restored and returned eventually to the Licton Springs (Wilson Pacific) site with the buildings on this site named after Former Native American Principal and Community Leader, Robert Eaglestaff. In all of the Growth Boundry Discussions, the Placement of the Indian Heritage program should take priority and once it is revitalized, resources must be provided to insure that it thrives.Carol Simmonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-19867697560722764652013-11-15T07:07:34.957-08:002013-11-15T07:07:34.957-08:00Julie, "used to be at WP...will be moved...&q...Julie, "used to be at WP...will be moved..."<br />Where are they NOW?<br />True, Native American students are less than 2% of the district (coicidentally, about the same number as APP...) but evidentally there is little voice for them. Yes, Director Peaslee, bless her, is looking for discussion and leverage, but over the years the district's attention towards our Indian children has waned.<br />Who among us is standing for them?seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-65407730927692911962013-11-14T22:23:35.873-08:002013-11-14T22:23:35.873-08:00Lynn,
Sigh, you don't get it. What I find dis...Lynn,<br /><br />Sigh, you don't get it. What I find disturbing is that the people who have more time and money, and thus more influence on SPS, advocating for moving groups of kids around, putting them here, there, wherever, so they can have the absolute best for their own. And the groups they are moving around willy nilly to whatever nook and cranny, are groups that are historically treated this way. Do you not see the parallel between making these kids invisible now and the long and shameful record our country has had in killing their cultures and getting them out of sight? No? I'm the only one bothered by it?<br /><br />I had hoped we were better than people who came before us. What are we teaching our children? Justice and compassion do not matter? What kind of world do we hope for our children's future? Everyone for themselves only? Everyone is their own island?<br /><br />The capitalization is used for emphasis, not shouting. I am sad, not angry. I worry about the world my children will inherit. Look at the GOP and all the ugliness they spout, if we teach our children to always put themselves first, how much worse will it get? What are we modelling for our kids?<br /><br />CCA<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41292636271345570632013-11-14T21:02:30.522-08:002013-11-14T21:02:30.522-08:00From what I have read in previous threads, the Nat...From what I have read in previous threads, the Native Indian Heritage program used to be at Wilson Pacific and will be moved to Northgate Mall somewhere by the school district. There was an article on it on KUOW. Please correct me if I am wrong. Nobody is kicking them out of Lincoln building - as far as I can tell, they just have an office there.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573296604005562942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-81389158785818861412013-11-14T20:54:15.043-08:002013-11-14T20:54:15.043-08:00Sorry, up thread, not down.
WestsideSorry, up thread, not down. <br /><br />WestsideAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-41157802124047268262013-11-14T20:52:17.295-08:002013-11-14T20:52:17.295-08:00'Director DeBell told me that the Board had ta...'Director DeBell told me that the Board had taken back the authority to make program placement decisions for APP, International Education, and Montessori as capacity management tools.' - Charlie<br /><br />OK. I didn't see this when I asked 'Why' further down thread. Are Regional Directors irrelevant? Do affected parties bypass their directors and lobby the board?<br /><br />WestsideAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-33212752909703647532013-11-14T19:45:52.894-08:002013-11-14T19:45:52.894-08:00"There are no [Indian Heritage] students in t..."There are no [Indian Heritage] students in this program at Lincoln." <br />Does anyone wonder where these students went?<br />Are they "rubbed out," erased already?<br /><br />Where are the Indian Heritage students - past, present, and future?<br /><br />Does anyone know?<br /><br />Does anyone care?seattle citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724175257161649500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-80878691220605211432013-11-14T18:39:58.897-08:002013-11-14T18:39:58.897-08:00CCA,
Please calm down and stop SHOUTING. You have...CCA,<br /><br />Please calm down and stop SHOUTING. You have been ALL FIRED UP about the heartless, thoughtless, selfish people who are trying to evict the Indian Heritage program from Lincoln. I was not sure you were aware there are no students in this program at Lincoln. <br /><br />It certainly seems that some of the directors want to restart the program. As it will be a new program, it does not necessarily need to be at Lincoln. Do you understand that? <br /><br />If your children are not being moved from their school next year, it is unkind of you to be mocking other people for their reactions to a problem you have managed to escape. Count your blessings.Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-37214777387085807872013-11-14T18:19:02.571-08:002013-11-14T18:19:02.571-08:00Lynn says: "As there are no longer any childr...Lynn says: "As there are no longer any children assigned to an Indian Heritage school, you can stop worrying about.....them". So if SPS dissolves APP and Nova, we can then stop worrying about those kids, yes? No more angst about Mann, HIMS, Eckstein or JAMS. LOVELY! Let's us all write to the Board and Tracy Libros, they need to dissolve APP and Nova forthwith! Too bad we can't do the same to those FRL & ELL kids, poor people gonna be poor, yo.<br /><br />CCAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-57366433274475175122013-11-14T16:12:10.532-08:002013-11-14T16:12:10.532-08:00CCA,
As there are no longer any children assigned...CCA,<br /><br />As there are no longer any children assigned to an Indian Heritage school, you can stop worrying about how everyone plans to mistreat them. The administrative office at Lincoln is likely not taking up much room. If that space is needed for classrooms, of course the adults working there should be moved. <br /><br />Eckstein parents are concerned about their ELL/Special Ed/FRL population being sent to JAMS. I think you can relax about that issue too.<br /><br />If I remember correctly, your child will be able to stay at Hamilton. My guess is that means your neighborhood will be assigned to Lincoln for high school.<br /><br />Were your kids a part of the group that moved to Lincoln from Lowell? Or did they attend McDonald when it was reopening? If you'd like people to calm down, maybe sharing how one of those changes really wasn't too bad would be helpful. Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-14232737831218077622013-11-14T16:05:31.790-08:002013-11-14T16:05:31.790-08:00DeBell's been on the LI kick as far back as I ...DeBell's been on the LI kick as far back as I can remember. It's his personal fetish, I swear. Whether or not people want it, he wants them to have it and believes they need it. Paternalism 101. <br /><br />WSDWGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-86037066142636122662013-11-14T15:48:56.982-08:002013-11-14T15:48:56.982-08:00This leads me to ask: why is the board making prog...This leads me to ask: why is the board making program decisions that aren't for them to make? Does their involvement in programming come as a result of this continuing divide in equity? In other words, are board members involved because the Superintendent and staff aren't doing what they need to do to make offerings equitable?<br /><br />Westside, brilliantly said. That may be exactly why the Board does this stuff - they don't see it happening fast enough? That the Board has asked and asked for the Equitable Access Framework in order to help facilitate understanding of program placement and we STILL don't have it speaks volumes.<br /><br />Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-33324866162036894752013-11-14T15:29:47.106-08:002013-11-14T15:29:47.106-08:00'This district must master the essential eleme...'This district must master the essential elements of equity before creating more islands of privilege.' - Mirmac1<br /><br />Absolutely agree. This leads me to ask: why is the board making program decisions that aren't for them to make? Does their involvement in programming come as a result of this continuing divide in equity? In other words, are board members involved because the Superintendent and staff aren't doing what they need to do to make offerings equitable? <br /><br />I think LI is important, but taking a neighborhood school and making it an option school is stupid if it's hurts more kids than it helps. LI takes a lot of resources. If McDonald is any indication, SPS doesn't have the money to fund LI schools without short changing other cohorts, in the same way they've mismanaged their money to the point that they're pitting APP and Sped kids against everyone else. And a final question: isn't pitting one cohort against other illegal?<br /><br />Back to LI. Relying on parents to raise money leads to a continuation of privilege over equity, but DeBell is all for this, without finding other funding sources that don't involve parents with money? Sorry, after the damage he's done, he doesn't get to leave with a clean legacy. <br /><br />In other countries, the state supports LI beginning in pre-K. LI isn't just for families of means or families who find their address to be a happy accident. What will it take to bring in funding for LI so we're offering this to ANY kid that wants this kind of education, a really cutting edge education that can easily be paired with ELL cohorts? This - should - make LI a model with broad appeal, but you can't play this Option crap anymore, because the plan was no more choice. Every school a great school. Really. To force out neighborhood kids if LI isn't what they need or want is total crap. I would therefore put the brakes on further expansion of LI until we get the basics right. FTR Dearborn Park is in our geozone, but my kids have aged out. Still, I'm very glad we have Patu. Banda needs to listen to her.<br /><br />Westside<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-80445908262279322332013-11-14T14:36:51.227-08:002013-11-14T14:36:51.227-08:00"And having APP there is a good thing as they..."And having APP there is a good thing as they also have a supportive and involved parent base and it will create more variety in class offerings and opportunities for non APP kids to take more challenging classes." <br /><br />"For one thing, they are active in the PTSA and volunteer. They add to the extra curricular mix and increase the population for electives like Music."<br /><br />On one hand, all APP hears is that we are not wanted at JAMS, Eckstein, or elsewhere. That fact was made very clear at Sherry Carr's meeting last weekend. That feels great. On the other hand, we look sort of attractive because our parents are so "active and organized." Because APP kids are in self-contained classes in the building, they will not create a wider variety of challenging course offerings for others. This hasn't happened at Hamilton. Every middle school student in Seattle can place into any math class, APP students in the building or not. We do not bring foreign language, an International School approach from Hamilton, PE, art, music, or anything. More students will increase a school's population and that's how schools get more extra-curricular activities, course offerings, etc. If the Wedgewood families were drawn into JAMS, they would bring the same thing as APP would. More bodies bring more stuff.<br /><br />We all just want our kids to get a stable, good quality education. I would imagine that all APP and non-APP families want at JAMS is a welcoming school where we can all get to know each other, have a safe, quality learning environment for our kids, and a place where we can all come together to equally make JAMS a great middle school. I'm hopeful that all of the families who will be assigned to JAMS will be able to come together after Nov. 20th and make something of this.<br /><br />Hopeful for JAMS Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-27896578949884674772013-11-14T12:13:03.946-08:002013-11-14T12:13:03.946-08:00Uncertain,
There will always be reasons why it i...Uncertain, <br /><br />There will always be reasons why it is not okay for MY kids, but okay for SOMEONE ELSE'S kids; witness how many people think it'd be perfectly fine for the Indian Heritage kids and the Sped kids and the ELL kids to be moved.<br /><br />Are high school kids also fragile and have needs for all the bells and whistles of an well established school? Who will go to Lincoln High when it reopen? Are there enough Sped, FRL & ELL kids to fill Lincoln, so the others can have Roosevelt, Ballard & Garfield with their nationally ranked Jazz bands & Film program & Latin and Marine Bio classes?<br /><br />Someone has to go to the new school. Who do you think it should be? Other than NOT MINE, that is.<br /><br />CCA<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-90975671865469866582013-11-14T12:00:46.342-08:002013-11-14T12:00:46.342-08:00With all due respect, "change happens" i...With all due respect, "change happens" is a little JSCEE sounding, isn't it? Especially since it's exactly the same verbiage used by staff during the '08 closures. And let's not forget that "kids are resilient!" - MGJ <br /><br />People aren't completely selfish and stupid. They understand that more kids in the city - a very good thing - means populations outgrowing schools and kids having to be re-assigned from time to time.<br /><br />But that doesn't mean it's easy, fair, or unemotional. Community is extremely highly valued in this city, and severing communities causes extreme pain and sadness. We should recognize that people not wanting to leave a school says a lot of good things about those people and that school. <br /><br />I'm not picking sides in the debate. I am suggesting that people have empathy and knock off the gratuitous slams against others. There's a great opportunity here for people to reach out and help each other through a difficult transition among people who really deeply care about kids and schools. Again, a very good thing. (God Forbid!) <br /><br />Are we going to embrace each other, respond to concerns and help each other out, or act like a bunch of snide jerks? <br /><br />We got pushed out of a building, friendships got severed, kids lost friends, and lives got severely disrupted for a few years. It sucked, and even though the kids bounced back (What choice do they have?), it was never as good as it was before. <br /><br />People aren't widgets. It's too easy for unaffected people, or those who might benefit to tell others to just "suck it up." For some reason, the underlying competitiveness between all people rears its ugly head in situations like this and it brings out their worst anti-social qualities. <br /><br />Whether my kids are affected or not, I honestly cannot tell at this point, but I can feel for those folks on both sides of the issue, because they are caring, concerned parents who just want what's best for their kids.<br /><br />WSDWG Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-51449934330905022952013-11-14T11:11:08.457-08:002013-11-14T11:11:08.457-08:00Maple Leaf Mama,
With NE APP at JAMS, there won&#...Maple Leaf Mama,<br /><br />With NE APP at JAMS, there won't be room for Olympic View. The school will be full by 2017-18 without OV. There will be 230 empty seats at WP that year. <br /><br />If OV wants to go to JAMS instead of WP, they'll need to trade places with NE APP.Lynnnoreply@blogger.com