tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post8967522614164622498..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Growth Boundaries InformationMelissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11261235101432213672013-09-30T07:48:08.442-07:002013-09-30T07:48:08.442-07:00So Lincoln HS will be a 4A school at 1600!
HPSo Lincoln HS will be a 4A school at 1600!<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-18267128295432233532013-09-29T18:00:25.370-07:002013-09-29T18:00:25.370-07:00No, NW Mom, the district also sold that off to the...No, NW Mom, the district also sold that off to the city. Gone.<br /><br />Patrick, I always thought that as well but I have never had a lot of faith in the way the district has managed rentals/leases, etc. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-25984105552666304482013-09-29T16:42:31.647-07:002013-09-29T16:42:31.647-07:00It seems like SPS should be getting more in rental...It seems like SPS should be getting more in rentals from Oak Tree than they'd get for a comparable size bit of real estate that wasn't intensive retail. Isn't there some other single owner of a large parcel of real estate that's worth less by being not right on Aurora that SPS could buy out?Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16260807460417787614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-76306281643906133222013-09-29T16:38:15.979-07:002013-09-29T16:38:15.979-07:00Josh, we need the ihop more than the Starbucks. :...Josh, we need the ihop more than the Starbucks. :) and the HT is pretty awesome. Doesn't the district still own the school building that Wallingford center is in as well? NW momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-11856517314014067582013-09-29T14:25:17.582-07:002013-09-29T14:25:17.582-07:00Seriously: the suggestion that the district put a ...Seriously: the suggestion that the district put a high school on the Oak Tree lot seems a little crazy to me (I live a couple of blocks from there), mostly because it just seems too small for that. There'd be no room for any adjunct facilities: gym, playing field, auditorium, and so forth.<br /><br />I have been told that it used to be an elementary school, and that seems to me to be quite plausible, but I think people would worry about having their little ones RIGHT THERE on Aurora (of course, Bagley is in a similar situation). I think it could work, and I don't think we'd miss the movie theater or the grocery store - but the Starbucks! Can we live without the Starbucks over there??? (I'm kidding, just in case you wondered.)<br /><br />So I dunno: do we need another elementary school in that location? Would that free up space at Wilson-Pacific?Josh Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242600011474990770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-2034911142249381252013-09-29T13:20:00.327-07:002013-09-29T13:20:00.327-07:00I don't get it. Are Ed reformers for more tech...I don't get it. Are Ed reformers for more technology and larger class size or smaller class size, like they are buying at SS? <br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-6340204919151507522013-09-29T10:38:57.358-07:002013-09-29T10:38:57.358-07:00Ah, I hadn't read the new MOU. Now I really w...Ah, I hadn't read the new MOU. Now I really want to check their scores.<br /><br />I wonder if LEV (or someone else) takes over South Shore via a conversion charter - will the district feel betrayed?<br /><br />I also wonder - that since we can know in advance that someone is planning a conversion (although maybe not exactly what school) - how schools might fight back?Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-46178003995801905852013-09-29T09:21:16.259-07:002013-09-29T09:21:16.259-07:00The New School Foundation (now operated by/with LE...The New School Foundation (now operated by/with LEV) has an MOU with the district to keep South Shore class sizes around 21. In return, they put about $1M of additional operating funds into South Shore every year.<br /><br />I have suggested multiple times that the MOU be dropped, or at least negotiated slightly upwards, since South Shore is in a brand spanking new building and has the lowest class sizes in the entire district.Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12795753563127975720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-26095169543241321372013-09-29T08:44:37.344-07:002013-09-29T08:44:37.344-07:00Maureen, I have found this quite odd about South S...Maureen, I have found this quite odd about South Shore. While there is a waitlist - at almost every grade - I'm fairly certain the building isn't full (even accounting for their specialty program). <br /><br />Also, I was talking to a reporter (who is more in the know than most) but even she had no idea that (1) LEV has taken over fiduciary duties for the extra money South Shore gets and (2) that this had been money going in the school for more than a decade. <br /><br />It's funny because the district constantly talks about public/private partnerships but rarely hauls this out as an example. I haven't check SS's test scores versus other typical schools. I think they are likely better than average but probably not as stellar as the money going into the school might imply.<br /><br />I also think South Shore will - at some point - be a conversion charter. If it's for next school year,we'll know by Oct. 22 when applicants have to file their letters of intent (which include if they are trying a conversion).<br /><br />All our discussion about capacity could be complete thrown off if even one building is gone. Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69138563500383675732013-09-29T00:11:48.049-07:002013-09-29T00:11:48.049-07:00Melissa says: South Shore and K-5 STEM have long l...<b>Melissa</b> says: <i>South Shore and K-5 STEM have long lists.</i><br />Wait, <a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/school%20board/10-11%20agendas/062911agenda/20110629_Report_IntTermCapitalPlanning.pdf" rel="nofollow">this doc</a> implies that South Shore is way under capacity. Why hasn't the <br /><a href="http://district.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/enrollment%20planning/WaitingListSummary%202013-14.pdf?sessionid=75c6aca5eb8c9603449abf175ec8c5d0" rel="nofollow">wait list</a> been moved?Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444916440000921599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-82754479199246531282013-09-28T22:08:44.363-07:002013-09-28T22:08:44.363-07:00I created a table of all the neighborhood grade sc...I created a table of all the neighborhood grade schools, with links to the City of Seattle walk routes, the current attendance zone, and the proposed boundary map. I found that Title 1 schools are being disproportionately being shut out of walk zones with the new plan.<br /><br /><a href="http://midbeaconhill.blogspot.com/2013/09/seattle-public-schools-to-shut-low.html" rel="nofollow">http://midbeaconhill.blogspot.com/2013/09/seattle-public-schools-to-shut-low.html</a><br /><br />Hope you find it useful, it sure took me a while to put together!JvAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13300544674853649714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-49409743546521882692013-09-28T18:30:38.475-07:002013-09-28T18:30:38.475-07:00Ooops. It's the "High Schools and Growth...Ooops. It's the "High Schools and Growth" post that is screwed up.<br /><br />-ReaderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-59356311434558712522013-09-28T18:28:43.878-07:002013-09-28T18:28:43.878-07:00The next blog entry is screwed up. It shows up in...The next blog entry is screwed up. It shows up incomplete and without comments available. The "district calendar" part of the website is in the wrong place and the rest of the blog is cut off.<br /><br />-readreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-14603540535686437412013-09-28T18:12:04.341-07:002013-09-28T18:12:04.341-07:00The irony is that a government agency must pay &qu...The irony is that a government agency must pay "fair market value" so SPS would pay more than it got for MLK. Given a willing seller, the process could be complete in less than two years. I don't think FAME would resist this, given the stresses many families in the community are suffering. The district could even get a possession order and occupy quite quickly, while the studies, appraisal, relocation assistance and negotiations are underway.<br /><br />Frankly, this would take away the antipathy many have against the district because of Pottergate and FAME.mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88385542735097410982013-09-28T17:31:41.336-07:002013-09-28T17:31:41.336-07:00Note: The district owns Oak Tree shopping mall/cin...Note: The district owns Oak Tree shopping mall/cinema parcel along Aurora. Not ideal location, but there certainly is transit, rapid ride is coming soon, and landscaping can accomplish a lot. So when jokes about "Wilson Pacific High School" aren't far off. "Oak Tree High School" is not impossible. No lengthy eminent domain law suits required. (Because, really, don't you think that would so long the proposed high schoolers would have children in SPS by the time it was settled?)<br /><br />Signed: Seriously Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79825643642265246282013-09-28T16:37:29.295-07:002013-09-28T16:37:29.295-07:00Missing from the Growth Boundaries information is ...Missing from the Growth Boundaries information is any information on the rationale for the many program placement decisions included in the plan.<br /><br />Board policy requires the release of this information and requires community engagement.Charlie Mashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173903762962067277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20561665221241323762013-09-28T15:54:50.365-07:002013-09-28T15:54:50.365-07:00Kellie, thanks for those numbers. They are quite ...Kellie, thanks for those numbers. They are quite telling. For anyone who has doubts about alternative education, nearly every single option school has a waitlist (South Shore and K-5 STEM have long lists.) <br /><br />Mirmac is right; anyone who says there is space at the majority of high schools is wrong. At Roosevelt alone - a new building - they took one room (I think it was either a teachers lounge or prep room) and converted it to a science room because they needed more labs.<br /><br />Mirmac, it would be an interesting exercise to see the district try that (and they probably would need all their ducks lined up). But it may come to that especially since MLK, Jr. building is not maxed out for its use.Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588239576000641336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-33865061257017090322013-09-28T15:52:26.482-07:002013-09-28T15:52:26.482-07:00kellie - I was using the 2012 Draft Facilities Mas...kellie - I was using the 2012 Draft Facilities Master Plan (link in Melissa's post above.) I agree the current numbers should be used instead. <br /><br />LynnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-47469025536532950872013-09-28T15:28:57.353-07:002013-09-28T15:28:57.353-07:00What is stopping the district from exercising emin...What is stopping the district from exercising eminent domain and repossessing the MLK building?mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-28816521407322748062013-09-28T15:18:33.608-07:002013-09-28T15:18:33.608-07:00"Listed" capacity does NOT account for s..."Listed" capacity does NOT account for spaces required for special education, as all comprehensive secondary schools must provide. Students with intensive needs require classroom space for as few as 8 students. So three self-contained classrooms take close to those 100 seats out of circulation. Any unused HS capacity is illusory.mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-78038795263405592982013-09-28T15:17:46.957-07:002013-09-28T15:17:46.957-07:00To be clear, I was referencing the high school num...To be clear, I was referencing the high school numbers. They look about right. Some of the elementary numbers are just weird. kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79364428966913653532013-09-28T15:12:51.202-07:002013-09-28T15:12:51.202-07:00Which plan are you referencing? I know page 9 of t...Which plan are you referencing? I know <a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/enrollment%20planning/Sept%2017%20meeting/GB_WorkSession_Handout%20Document%20with%20Maps_Sept23Planning.pdf?sessionid=5e5c54cdcd54ef7d1e304550d524536f" rel="nofollow">page 9 of this handout</a> has the current capacity numbers and they look about right to me. <br /><br />I know Roosevelt was designed for 1600 during the rebuild and the capacity here is listed as 1707 so it at least feels like it is in the ballpark, if a bit high. <br /><br />I haven't seen any current enrollment info but I suspect the enrollment is higher than these numbers.kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-51664394904440107962013-09-28T14:44:19.205-07:002013-09-28T14:44:19.205-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-80134886822112518552013-09-28T14:27:09.391-07:002013-09-28T14:27:09.391-07:00Here is the latest wait list numbers.
Ballard
Ch...Here is the <a href="http://district.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/enrollment%20planning/WaitingListSummary%202013-14.pdf?sessionid=75c6aca5eb8c9603449abf175ec8c5d0" rel="nofollow">latest wait list numbers. </a><br /><br />Ballard<br />Chief Sealth<br />Cleveland<br />Franklin<br />Garfield<br />Ingraham<br />Nathan Hale<br />Roosevelt<br /><br />all have wait lists as of yesterday. That is a big sign that they are all full.kelliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322661098626555834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-1054518053774640072013-09-28T12:04:31.979-07:002013-09-28T12:04:31.979-07:00Revised numbers for all schools should be out soon...Revised numbers for all schools should be out soon. The "official" counts are made October 1, and then take a few days to assemble and release.Eric Bnoreply@blogger.com