tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post9001960602535947047..comments2024-03-28T02:21:17.452-07:00Comments on Seattle Schools Community Forum: Should Public Officials Be Able to Use "Ghost Messaging?"Melissa Westbrookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-25642281307118683782015-11-06T12:16:30.593-08:002015-11-06T12:16:30.593-08:00Agree with SF. Any sort of Facebook/Twitter policy...Agree with SF. Any sort of Facebook/Twitter policy also assumes every kid has unbridled access to both the internet and these social media platforms. Call me naive (no kids yet), but maybe some parents don't allow their kids to have accounts on FB or Twitter? And maybe not every kid has internet access at home? It just seems like an unnecessary thing. And yes, teachers should absolutely be able to draw boundaries between work and personal. If I was a teacher, I would NOT friend any of my students EVER.<br /><br />-sunshineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-21484418119105289732015-11-05T17:08:48.840-08:002015-11-05T17:08:48.840-08:00My earlier comment seems to have gotten lost, so r...My earlier comment seems to have gotten lost, so reposting:<br /><br />It's a terrible idea for any public official to use ghost messaging. If nothing else, people will assume you're up to something nefarious (see a nice example right at the top of the thread). Long ago, my bosses at City of Bellevue told me that I shouldn't put anything in an email I didn't want to explain to a city council meeting. If you're doing something you don't want publicly disclosed, pick up the phone! And seriously reconsider whether you want to say it if you can't stand behind it. Eric Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-12182289645730604172015-11-05T15:10:23.557-08:002015-11-05T15:10:23.557-08:00I agree Twitter and Facebook are terrible ways to ...I agree Twitter and Facebook are terrible ways to keep in touch with teens. My daughter had a few teachers who said they would be your Facebook friend after you graduate, not until then. I think that is a fine policy. Teachers need to be able to have separate lives from their profession at least sometimes. SFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-88209405013475120252015-11-05T14:59:28.063-08:002015-11-05T14:59:28.063-08:00our first grade teachers use the Class Dojo app to...our first grade teachers use the Class Dojo app to communicate behavior to parents (by adding points) and do daily Twitter updates. Too much like Big Brother. I dont like it, especially for first grade. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-79826446532669987822015-11-05T14:11:20.802-08:002015-11-05T14:11:20.802-08:00Twitter and Facebook are terrible ways to keep in ...Twitter and Facebook are terrible ways to keep in touch with teens. They have largely moved on from those platforms, if they even used them in the first place. Snapchat is where it's at for social media. <br /><br />But they still text like crazy. My kid's counselor at Garfield is using a texting platform to connect with kids and parents. It's totally opt-in, and as I understand it, it doesn't expose either sender or receiver's phone number to the other. We've only gotten a couple of texts, just important information right when you need it. I think it's great. GarfieldMomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-85752622364738283342015-11-05T13:05:22.866-08:002015-11-05T13:05:22.866-08:00I wouldn't put my job or reputation on the lin...I wouldn't put my job or reputation on the line under the impression that there could never be a breach of security in the "one time only" messaging services, that no one could ever break the encryption used on the transmission, that no one would photograph or otherwise record the message as it was displayed.<br /><br />No problem with cutting off use of chat media in school. Sorry if that offends students who'd rather be chatting online than paying attention to the teacher or studying.<br />Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16260807460417787614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-75784847998966252622015-11-05T12:38:24.820-08:002015-11-05T12:38:24.820-08:00Snapchat has caused issues at Hale, with students ...Snapchat has caused issues at Hale, with students using it to bully other students. The students couldn't be held accountable because it disappeared and there was no proof even though multiple witnesses saw it. The bullied students have been taught how to take screenshots of everything in case the issue occurs again. I don't believe the snapchat posts occurred during school hours, so there was not much the school could do other than give a stern talking to the bullies.<br /><br />HPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-73685855523539925712015-11-05T12:27:05.893-08:002015-11-05T12:27:05.893-08:00It seems only fair that since every new school boa...It seems only fair that since every new school board member ran on "transparency", they should on their own, make every one of their communications publicly available.<br /><br />Each board member should setup a web site and automatically up load every email and text or document they generate. Redaction should be limited to FERPA only. <br /><br />Dear public information officer,<br /><br />Please send me all the emails to and from each school board director for the weeks of December 1st - December 12th. Please consider this a recurring a bi-month request.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07908703559952587479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-20637622381388806652015-11-05T12:21:47.592-08:002015-11-05T12:21:47.592-08:00It's not over, apparently.
Seattle Police Dep...It's not over, apparently.<br /><br />Seattle Police Department's SWAT Team are currently in a stand off with two suspects at the Taco Bell on 15th Avenue N.W. in Ballard.<br /><br />The suspect(s) have been described as one or two white males ages 15 to 16.<br /><br />Police have locked down Ballard High School and have been instructed to send students away who are coming back to the school.NW momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-46037538809505358072015-11-05T12:15:22.661-08:002015-11-05T12:15:22.661-08:00oops got cut off..
Ballard HS student arrested of...oops got cut off..<br /><br />Ballard HS student arrested off campus<br /><br />A Ballard High School student was arrested off campus, Seattle Public Schools confirmed on Thursday.<br />SPS does not believe SPD found a weapon on him but are looking inside the school.<br />KIRO 7 News is working to learn more about the incident. This story will be updated once details are received..<br /><br />http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/ballard-hs-student-arrested-campus/npG6h/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-66973579948326580592015-11-05T12:14:36.943-08:002015-11-05T12:14:36.943-08:00Public Schools confirmed on Thursday.
SPS does not...Public Schools confirmed on Thursday.<br />SPS does not believe SPD found a weapon on him but are looking inside the school.<br />KIRO 7 News is working to learn more about the incident. This story will be updated once details are received.<br /><br />http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/ballard-hs-student-arrested-campus/npG6h/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48514811308984045402015-11-05T12:07:26.595-08:002015-11-05T12:07:26.595-08:00Thank goodness. Thanks BHS mom.Thank goodness. Thanks BHS mom.NW momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69575697849598846082015-11-05T12:04:37.748-08:002015-11-05T12:04:37.748-08:00Cory Minderhout @CoryMinderhout 10m10 minutes ag...Cory Minderhout @CoryMinderhout 10m10 minutes ago<br />BREAKING: SPS says report of student with a weapon near Ballard HS. Student taken into custody. No weapon recovered. #liveonkomo<br /><br />bhs momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-77338223589103490202015-11-05T12:00:08.847-08:002015-11-05T12:00:08.847-08:00SWAT team has arrived. SWAT team has arrived. NW momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-48962253366661729402015-11-05T11:57:43.179-08:002015-11-05T11:57:43.179-08:00Sorry, off topic but apparently there is a lockdow...Sorry, off topic but apparently there is a lockdown happening at Ballard HS right now. Lights are off and lockdown messages over the loudspeaker. Hope everyone is safe. NW momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-47828769210987169592015-11-05T11:16:02.692-08:002015-11-05T11:16:02.692-08:00I would guess it's just too much work for them...I would guess it's just too much work for them to figure out how to save/retain/archive text messages for district-provided phones, and just don't care about violating the law when it comes to personal phones.<br /><br />-sunshineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-69736996246333159512015-11-05T11:03:42.336-08:002015-11-05T11:03:42.336-08:00Retention times differ for staff vs Board. With t...Retention times differ for staff vs Board. With the scofflaw attitude among some staff at JSCEE, I fully expect they have the texts but tell the PRO they don't.mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-72780547782593414362015-11-05T10:53:03.165-08:002015-11-05T10:53:03.165-08:00If the district employee or board member is conduc...If the district employee or board member is conducting business over a phone via text message, whether it is a private phone or not, those text messages should be part of the public record. The Washington Supreme Court recently ruled on this issue in August, holding that the text messages on the private cell phone of Mark Lindquist, the Pierce County Prosecutor, were public records when they concerned work duties.<a rel="nofollow">http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/court-texts-on-public-employees-cell-phone-public-records/</a>. The Supreme court has consistently ruled that electronic records are public records, and it is doubtful that they would rule differently on an electronic record because it supposedly disappeared. There is a strong preference for transparency. Whether the law can keep up with technology is a different matter. <br /><br />--GLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-64012073217600185052015-11-05T10:47:59.100-08:002015-11-05T10:47:59.100-08:00The District does provide phones but that doesn...The District does provide phones but that doesn't stop someone from also having their own and using it, just like some have used personal email addresses for work related activities. Its entirely possible their provider has a short retention limit for CONTENT. Every vendor is different - most retain the "transmission data" - the when/who to from, transmission tower info etc for quite a while. However they do not retain the "content data" longer than 3-7 days, generally. Again, each vendor is different.<br /><br />I am not a fan of the whole snapchat genre but then <br />a)I'm old <br />b)I worry about hackers getting potentially embarrassing info about my kid, which has happened in past to other users and <br />c)they use a LOT Of cellular data (says the evil stepmother who pays the phone bill)<br /><br />Other than emergencies, I see no reason for a kid to be using their phone during the school day. And Admin folk should resist the temptation to avoid traceable public information, but everyone is human and sometimes expediency outweighs accountability. Sadly.<br /><br />reader47<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-70904512068923889832015-11-05T10:42:24.311-08:002015-11-05T10:42:24.311-08:00This is both a retention issue and a public record...This is both a retention issue and a public records issue. State records retention law requires the district to keep certain types of communication for certain time periods. If I remember correctly, routine communications on day-to-day operations or activities must be retained for at least 30 days (and then can be destroyed). This would definitely include text messages. <br /><br />And then under public records law, if there is a physical record (such as a text message), it is public UNLESS exempt under some provision of the law (of course, there are a lot of exemptions and they are used very liberally). Public record laws cover employees' personal email and cell phones if they are used for business purposes, so texting on your personal phone about work would expose your personal phone to public records law. Employee texts about work should be retained for AT LEAST 30 days AND should be considered public records. Using any sort of ghosting app would violate state retention laws, at the very least.<br /><br />-sunshineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28765366.post-32291470004331180152015-11-05T10:19:53.950-08:002015-11-05T10:19:53.950-08:00So far the texts of various staffers such as Toner...So far the texts of various staffers such as Toner, Wright and Codd have been unavailable. Something about how the texting service wipes all texts after 3 days. Sounds implausible to me. I expect staff uses their own phones. Cell providers don't wipe anything. If district provides phones then they should change these settings. The Secretary of State's retention rules should address this, if they don't already.mirmac1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10183460709639638172noreply@blogger.com