Quick Board Special Meeting Yields Two Superintendent Candidates

Update 2:  Over at The Seattle Times' article there has been this back and forth about whether the Board should have allowed public testimony. 

The pertinent citations seem to be RCW 42.30.240 Public Comment and RCW 42.30.110(1)(g) Executive Sessions.

OSPI Retired Professional, a long-time commenter on public education, added this court case:

West v. Walla Walla (2025) is now a leading Washington case underscoring that:
  • Governing bodies may discuss candidate qualifications in executive session,
  • But they may not narrow, rank, or vote in private,
  • And special meetings must stick strictly to their noticed agenda.
Members who knowingly participate in unlawful meetings may face personal penalties (RCW 42.30.120).

This meeting was likely so short because for the two days previous - the Executive Sessions where they went through the eight candidate portfolios - they had narrowed the list. Did they rank them in some subtle way? Probably. 

Because I find it hard to believe those seven directors ALL landed squarely on the same two candidates. And not a single director wanted to add anyone else but those two. 

Also, it is difficult to know whether they should have had public comment. One RCW states "regular meetings" must have comment but this was a "special meeting." 

The directors did stick to their one agenda item. 

It's hard to know what to make of all of this but I think there was some sleight of hand going on. Hmmm.

end of update

Update: here's what HYA says at their website about "community participation:"

Decide if the community or committee(s) will be part of the interview process. It is best practice to keep the search process as confidential as possible (dependent on state law) to get the best pool of candidates. If community participation is desired beyond the development of the leadership profile, forums to meet the candidates and provide feedback for each candidae via an instrument is most common. This can be done in real-time using technologies.

I honestly cannot think of a good reason why the Board wouldn't want the community to meet these two candidates. At this point in the process, the candidates are all-in so it seems like they would have the courage to stand up to scrutiny.

Here's what the group, Effective School Boards, says:

Interviews

While application screening should be left exclusively to whomever is accepting the applications — either a search firm or external law firm — all additional screening should be conducted by the board itself using the previously crafted screening instruments. This screening by the school board members should utilize completely sanitized and anonymized information about the candidates – no names, no race, no age, no dates of graduation or service, no gender, no photos, no fraternity/sorority indicators. Nothing but the previously agreed upon screening-relevant information and a letter or number to indicate them. 

Once the board members have determined whom to interview, then – and only then – the school board should receive all of the appropriate information about the candidates whom they have agreed to interview. Ideally no more than ten candidates are included in the first round of interviews. Ideally no more than three candidates are included in the final round of interviews. It’s also at this stage that background checks should be conducted and references should be contacted.

end of update


The meeting started at 4:31 pm with all Board directors present. President Gina Topp said there is a Mariners playoff game tonight and they hoped to be done before it got started. 

Topp thanked the over 3,000 people who gave input on superintendent attributes desired. She said the directors had two days of interviews with the eight candidates who came out of the 40-person candidate application pool. 

The finalists selected tonight will have their background checks done and more interviews with directors. She said that they had, "a strong pool of applicants including sitting superintendents in this closed process." 

She asked if directors had any questions. Silence.

Topp moved on and said that she favored Candidate 7 and Candidate 8 and that both "currently hold leadership positions." She asked directors for any other candidates they favored. Silence.

Topp stated that both candidates will remain "confidential" in final interviews. She said both finalists were asked for a "100-day plan" that would "set their priorities" from the start.

All the directors voted yes for these two candidates. 

Given they all voted yes for both candidates is a good sign.  In the end, they may argue over which one but that they all settled on the same two is good. 

The meeting ended at 4:41 pm. 

Questions

1) The Board is being very coy about this process and I'm beginning to think all the public will get is an announcement, "It's this person." I would be VERY unhappy with that. I believe students and staff and parents should get a chance to hear from each candidate. 

2) It is unclear to me if the directors actually know the names of the candidates and where they currently work. 

3) Topp did not state when these two candidates would be interviewed - maybe next week? With an announcement the week after? 

What questions do you have?

Comments

Outsider said…
If the directors already had interviews with the 8 semi-finalists (seems to be what Topp said), they must know their names and current positions.
They seem to be saying it’s all been blind. And since they will not be transparent on the process, it’s hard to know who knows what.
Anonymous said…
This is nuts. No board can properly hire a superintendent, especially for a district as big and complex as ours, without actually knowing anything in detail about who they're hiring. What has their actual experience been in practice? What do families and students and community members think of this person in their current job and district? What published stories are there about this person? What are the concerns and downsides -- and how can the board know what those are without being able to have a name and do some searching and sleuthing?

Even more alarming is the total absence of public input. The Seattle Times article on this tonight says the hire could even be done by November 1 - i.e. by the current board, before the election, in which Liza Rankin has at least three and maybe four votes, depending on which way Hersey goes. It's undemocratic for the outgoing board to make this hire.

Alarm Bells
Anonymous said…
I am unimpressed. As Melissa states, the public should have an opportunity to hear from the candidates.

- Sealed Deal
Anonymous said…
I hope the board does not actually think the public would be OK with them hiring someone without having shared with the public who the finalists are and giving the public a chance to meet and vet them. Especially if the board hasn't themselves fully vetted the candidates. I get a name-redacted approach to the early stages. But once we're at the stage of semi-finalists, it's just totally unprofessional and unacceptable to make a major hiring decision like this, the most important one that a board can make, without even knowing who the person is.

This whole process is starting to go off the rails.

Conductor
The Board has just not been publicly transparent on this. I guess I could go ask exactly what they are doing next but will I get the full picture? I see the fine hand of HYA here, telling them this is the way to go.

I note that Northshore SD had announced their three finalists. As well, I was looking at articles about superintendent hires and apparently, some boards have contract language about telling your board you are leaving, while other state have a law that you have to publicly announce you are seeking other employment.

Also, there is some chatter at The Seattle Times' comment section about this being a public meeting vs executive session (and there's an RCW around public meetings that includes public comment). So while they did their picking in two-day executive sessions, probably blind so there was no vote, this meeting WAS public.

However, if you read that RCW, the public comment ONLY applies to "regular meetings." This was a "special meeting" so yes, they took a legislative vote but didn't have to allow public input.

One other quibble, the agenda said it was at the JSCEE but they were all there virtually.So if you do attend a meeting like this, Board staff will usher into the Board conference room where you can watch it on a screen. I do think they should make clear when a meeting will have actual members in attendance or if it's all virtual.

Again, I have some good comments lined up, but if you send them anonymously, I won't post them. Please try again with any kind of name/moniker.
Anonymous said…
I cannot BELIEVE the level of dysfunction and toxicity of this district. They paid the firm they were unhappy with AND follow their lead like it was gospel. WHY?!?!?
The community engagement was a joke, a checked box.
And now they are keeping everything secret. Nothing makes sense anymore.
All seven deserve NO respect. I wasn’t sure about my upcoming election vote. DEFINITELY NO MIZRAHI. NO CLARK. They need to leave.
I remember watching the interviews for Wyatt Jessie when he left and appled for a superintendency for a smaller district close to Olympia. That district actually listened and had respect for community.
SPS is rotten to the core. Just go watch the court proceedings going on right now. Want to know who testified today? Brent Jones. SPS paid him to come and make SPS look good. Interestingly enough, there is an investigation going on right now, and the other part is, wait for it… Sarah Pritchett. The same woman that Jones chose to make HR superintendent.
This district is rotten to the core.

Disgusted

Anonymous said…
@Disgusted,

What court proceedings?

It is time for candidate names to become public.

- Disgraceful
Anonymous said…
Disgusted makes a good point about Mizrahi and Clark. I have been summering them!!! I will now vote for their opponents or write- in a name.

- Disgraceful!
Anonymous said…
SPS becomes more covert and authoritarian by the day. It's happening at the building level too.

CHG
Anonymous said…
Unrelated to the new superintendent selection, but with a similar theme about keeping info from the public - here's an article from a conservative news source about how Washington kids' test scores have dropped and are now lower than Mississippi's. Despite a big increase in spending on education. And how OSPI is no longer publicly posting progress toward goals that were supposed to be met by 2027. I wonder if those goals will be achieved?
https://thepostmillennial.com/superintendent-scrubs-performance-metrics-from-wa-state-education-website-amid-drop-in-student-test-scores

Roosie parent
Anonymous said…
Roosie, Mississippi has been improving by leaps and bounds on literacy.

What court case was Dr. Jones testifying for?

SMH
Anonymous said…
Whatever the current president is saying about DEI, race should be a factor in hiring. Blind screening seems like a step backward.

Befuddled

Anonymous said…
@SMH,
The district is being sued for millions of dollars by the family of a middle schooler assaulted by his math teacher at Meany Middle School back in 2019 I believe. Teacher James Johnson was transferred to Washington. Student is now an adult with lifelong impact from the experience.
Brent Jones testified as head of HR when this happened.
Sounds like he is currently under investigation but because they consider this irrelevant to the case, nothing else was said. Except that Sarah Pritchett filed.
In my opinion this is super relevant. It shows how so many people have failed not only this student, but so many more because of nepotism, friendships and loyalties.
This district is rotten to the core.

Disgusted
Anonymous said…
Thanks, Disgusted.

Chandra Hampson et.al hired Jones through the back door. He should never have been superintendent. To make matters worse, he wasn’t to be considered for a permanent position, but Bruce Harrell led the effort- with support from Hampson- to make him permanent.

- Done Deal
Anonymous said…
@Befuddled:

How, specifically, do you think race should be a factor in hiring of the superintendent?

I made a somewhat tongue-in-cheek comment a couple of months ago, that the board seats should just be apportioned on a quota system since so many commenters were hung up on what race/ethnicity/group each candidate "identified" as. So maybe the superitendency should rotate between the appropriate racial groups on a proportionate yearly basis? This is lunacy.

Would you argue against musician auditions being held behind a screen so that only the music is being judged?

You can make plenty of arguments that this hiring process has been weird, unsettling, opaque, dodgy, etc. Regardless of process, the last couple of outcomes have been garbage: Juneau stunk, Jones stunk. It's been a while but memory seems like Juneau's hiring was essentially a completely standard process. Jones, perhaps not so much. I'm not sure anyone has really analyzed the "why's" of their respective failures so it's hard to know how much to pin on the hiring "process".

This district is exactly what the idiotic voters deserve. No more, no less.

-RIDICULOUS
Amanda said…
It should be "left exclusively to WHOEVER is accepting..." not "WHOMEVER". Yes, it feels like the end of the world, but people involved in ed should watch their grammar.
Anonymous said…
I agree this whole thing has been a disaster so far. But Mizrahi and Clark have been the two most active change agents on the Board and can’t change things on their own. And giving Clark’s seat to Smith, who has clearly done very little homework on how this dumpster fire of a district functions, is not going to solve any of it.
- votes matter
Anonymous said…
Anonymous, Black and brown students regularly say that they're encouraged and inspired by high- achieving folks who "look like them." I'm not saying we should never hire white people, just that race should be one factor of many that the Board should be keeping in mind.

Also, let's face it: there are certain people who might have applied where moving them forward should be a hard no, because we already know a lot about their work. Of course, that's assuming the School Board wants to get away from the nepotism...

Befuddled

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