Lincoln High School Community Meeting

 I'm currently viewing the meeting. Boy, did they mess up on live-streaming it. 

1) Most of the 40 minute presentation was not viewable online AND the district didn't provide a link to look at it at home. Here's what you can see at home which kinds helps but not much.

2) The district did what it loves to do which is break people up into groups to discuss each option (A, B, C) but for those at home, it's people milling around with audio you can't hear. Each group will be reporting out at the end of the group session and I'm wondering what the majority say. 

3) The district has three options but if you go to the Lincoln field page at the SPS website, they say "final two locations." That two are in the same area does not make it two choices. 

4) One thing glaringly missing from the meeting (at least to me) is making sure that the community understands that Memorial Stadium will likely be where their home games for football and soccer will be. One option does give a full-sized football field and soccer field but the seating would not be enough to have the games there.

From the presentation, I can say that the district clearly seems to want A and B which are at the same location, facing onto North Greenlake Way East. I hate the idea of that. And surprise, Option C turns out (conveniently for the district) the most expensive. 

My preference would be Option C. 

But, as I told Lincoln High parents at their page on Facebook, if the Capital Planning and Projects has dough enough to be shifting some of it over to the General Fund as they did at the Wednesday Board meeting, they have money to do any of this. The $5M allotted in the levy was NEVER going to cover all the costs. 

4) The district has allotted ZERO time for open questions and answers. 

The meeting started on-time. Superintendent Shuldiner, wearing a Lincoln Lynx cap, said they were trying to do what makes sense and kids and the school. "We have to make a decision." He said the district is going to "hear and synthesize, and then make our suggestion to Parks who own the land." He said he is just there to listen.

It will not be a quick process for any choice but Shuldiner wants to get people backing a single plan.

The guy from Parks, Andy Shuffer, said very little beyond "we're doing options analysis."

Richard Best, head of Capital Planning and Projects and Facilities, explain the process for the meeting which was a 40 minute presentation of the three options, breakout sessions for 30 minutes, and then wrap-up. 

He also said he meets with Parks staff once a month. He talked about the joint use agreement between the district and the City and that this project would be part of that. He said they negotiate every 5 years with next year being the next time for that.

Paige McGee is the project manager and she ran a loose presentation with another staffer whose name I didn't get. 

All options will require permitting from the City with some with a little more than others.

More to come - including all the options - after the meeting. 


Comments

Anonymous said…
I was there for the whole meeting, and I was proud of the community. A lot of thoughtful conversations were happening. Paige McGehee’s presentation was disappointing and so clearly biased against option C, as you were saying. She did not even refer to the actual option C, but instead had something very different up there than what the community was proposing. I wanted to learn more about all of the options, but it’s hard to accept her cost and timeline projections as facts to consider when she’s so clearly biased.
-Honesty, Please
Anonymous said…
Honesty, Please can you share a link to the community’s latest version of Option C? I watched the video of this meeting and they definitely made Option C sound worse than what I’d read about a couple months ago. That’s really disappointing they misrepresented it. I wish they had a public testimony and open Q & A section to this meeting.

-no to option A
No to Option A, there was no link to the presentation. I have not been able to find the first version of C. If anyone else has a link, please post it.

The district was VERY disingenuous in not noting there had been a different version of C. Their new version should have been call "C 2.0" or "D."

I have to wonder what the community beyond Lincoln think/want. I think there is a fight brewing and, of course, Parks has to listen to the general public especially because Green Lake is so heavily used.

I get that the Lincoln community wants the fastest answer but that may not be the best one.

Elsewhere someone mentioned that when Lincoln was previously opened they DID have a field. Where was that?
Anonymous said…
Here is the petition site-I think it has all the graphics for the community-generated option C: https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/lwp
-Honesty, Please
Benjamin Lukoff said…
Per https://www.seattle.gov/documents/Departments/Neighborhoods/HistoricPreservation/Landmarks/CurrentNominations/LPBCurrentNom_LincolnHighSchoolNom.pdf the field was at the north end of the property, where a parking lot is now. No indication of when that happened.
Thanks, Benjamin. Honesty, yes, I saw this and I think it would work better. But it feels like B is getting a push.

I plan on contacting some people in different groups tomorrow.

To note, there is a Lincoln Alumni group on Facebook (they seem strangely disinterested in this topic) but they told me in the 60's and 70's, they walked/ran to Lower Woodland. No buses. And that held for PE sometimes as well. Interesting.
Anonymous said…
Thanks for sharing this. So frustrating SPS and Parks didn’t include the real community proposal as an option. Just walked around that Option A part of the park today and it was very busy, every part fully in use. There were multiple little league soccer games packing the field and parent spectators around the edge of the field, bmx jumps in use by older kids, young kids riding on the wide pavement path next to the jumps, lots of people at the skate park, then people and dogs walking or jogging on the paths as well as bikes cutting through to get to Green lake. This area NEEDS generous buffer space between each activity. Option A will be way too cramped.

-no to option A
Anonymous said…
Why isn’t SPS using its power of eminent domain to remove the handful of houses next to Lincoln, along the parking lot, and create a playfield for the school?

All of those houses appear to be used for commercial purposes, which seems like a poor use of the land. Just look at King County’s parcel viewer.

The parking lot north of the area used by the school is being leased from SPS. SPS could end that lease if it needed those spaces back for employees or other school-related uses.

An adjacent field would be far better than any option that requires students to leave school grounds and walk to Woodland Park.

Seattle Parks and Recreation should do something with the gravel lot, but I do not see why SPS needs to be involved in making better use of that land.

- SPS parent and Woodland Park User
Benjamin Lukoff said…
I don't know the last time SPS used eminent domain and I can imagine there being quite a bit of opposition to this. Displacing all those businesses would reduce tax revenue, both B&O and property. Not saying it should or should not happen, but it wouldn't be that easy. Plus, I can imagine the business community simply not being happy about a field taking up that frontage on the main drag. And, SPS leases are not necessarily that easy to break (see Oak Tree Village).......
I tried to post this but anyway.

What I see is that even if you build at Lower Woodland, the kids STILL have to get there. And 50th and Green Lake Way is NOT pedestrian-friendly. Which brings me back to Wallingford Park.

I know it was talked about and there were some legal issues but it is City land. Gasworks Park is 5 minutes by car and 15 minutes on foot. The City could promise to put in a wading pool there. And the neighborhood would have a nice open space which they could get in writing that it's only for Hamilton and Lincoln at certain times and the rest of the time is open (no reservations for organized play).

That's just me.
Anonymous said…
In my opinion, Woodland Park is completely out of the question. I think the best option and obvious location is Wallingford Park. It would benefit both Hamilton and Lincoln for PE during the day and multiple sports seasons after school; it would be heavily used. Unfortunately, dog-owners, what is best for the kids wins the day.

- Former Hamilton student (1995-98) and current SPS Employee + Coach
Anonymous said…
re: Bengamin Lukoff

So you think there is significant loss of tax revenue if SPS was to use eminent domain to obtain a Thrift Store and a Massage Parlor?

I don't the main drag there would be down scaled by letting the schools build a field in that spot.

If a sports field is needed, it can obviously be attached to the school. There is absolutely no need to touch a park.

This has the smell of some ill thought out planning, as usual.

If money is needed? Which really shouldn't be a lot, maybe the schools the ill-fated $100m sports stadium which is not attached to any school, but I hear will have a professional soccer team.

- Parent of a Seattle Middle-Schooler

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