Did You Know? I Didn't

From Danny Westneat's column in The Seattle Times:

Seattle has the No. 1 big city school district. We should act like it 

Comments

Stuart Jenner said…
Several years ago, I filed a public records request with the UW about first year grades of students compared to their high school GPAs. The data is very hard to interpret. The UW 20+ years ago used this as a metric: they would look at the high school GPA then assess what it was likely to be based on how previous students from that high school had done. It is hard to tell what role that data plays in admissions today.

But the point when assessing the Seattle school district: for both the data of 20+ years ago, and the data of a few years ago, there was very little change in relative positions of high schools. That does not mean the number of students included in the count was the same: maybe more students from a lower performing school of 20 years ago were getting in now. Maybe the distribution of GPAs was different. Just looking at one number can mask a lot. But if our region really wanted to do a deep dive on how well schools are preparing students, or of how school districts compare, I think that data from the UW, and maybe a few other colleges with enough students to have a statistical level of significance, could tell us a lot.

I also looked at AP scores. This is a hot potato because no one wants their school judged by AP scores. In the case of Franklin, which was kicking Garfield's you know what on AP Calc, the Franklin teachers did not want central office knowing they were using direct instruction. Ditto Ballard, they did exceptionally well.

Overall, if someone from the Times pursued this story with far more time than I have to deal with stalls in public records requests, I think we would find that grads from Ballard, Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Ingraham are doing very well overall. We would likely find Garfield, considering the number of highly capable, is not nearly at the level we'd expect. And we'd find that others are in the middle.

There are also some surprises in the private schools, though not Lakeside and the Northwest Yeshiva school on Mercer Island. Dealing with private school numbers is even more of a hot potato. They might say well our top students don't go to the UW and bv the way where do mail the notice we're suing you.

In Highline, it was not possible to compare Aviation because it didn't exist in the earliest data. Mt Rainier in the 2000s was pretty solid, top third. They had slipped quite a bit in the later data. The others were at the bottom then in the data I had and were at the bottom now in the newer data. Very discouraging. But when the schools put a huge number of kids into AP classes where only a handful got above a 2, then it should be clear they were not really ready, and then if they got moved on to UW, they might not have the foundations they really needed.

Sped said…
For years SPS had significant inequities when he came to students, particularly students of color, in self-contained special education classes. The lack of inclusion was disproportionate to the state and national averages. Not sure if it still is.
Confused said…
I tried looking at the data, but I wasn't able to find all the stats Danny Westneat said he found. Where in Education Opportunity Project is Seattle listed as #1 among the largest US cities? And assuming we can find that data (I tend to trust Danny), is it backed up by any other studies?
Anonymous said…
I do not even remotely see how you can squeeze out the numbers that places Seattle in the top 10 of anything.
Notice in the report this bit. "Similar districts for Seattle School District No.
1 are Tacoma School District, Auburn School District,
Olympia School District, North Thurston Public Schools, and
Tumwater School District."

Similar in size? The Bellevue School District is larger than some of those districts, so why wasn't it mentioned?

I am unsure why the new superintendent wants to spin the news about the district, but that is all it is.

He seems to think he is going to argue his way to success, which maybe he will, at least his own success.

- A parent
Anonymous said…
Taking a second look at this, Seattle ranks 85th percentile in math and 89th in reading overall, but low-income students rank only 34th in math and 31st in reading; Black students are 44th/43rd; Asian students 44th/42nd. The “high-performing district” headline masks subgroup underperformance.

The methodology for the report has not been peer-reviewed; there is no transparency in what the foundations who paid for the project wanted to see reported and how.

Shuldiner's statements are misleading at best, if not outright ethically challenged. There is also no data for Portland, so he is also factually wrong.

What we can all hope is not what it appears? If he wants positive spin, he will whip up some data to support the reality he wants to sell to have parents consider SPS; if parents disagree with him, then he will just call them racist (re: Anitra Jones).

- Still, A Parent

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