This and That, Monday, June 3,2024

Well-Resourced/Closed Schools Meetings

I heard that the Garfield meeting was a bit contentous. I’m hearing there are just not solid answers. One thing I find odd is that Superintendent Brent Jones has said if anyone has a better idea, they want to hear it but give over no time for that. And then, he says that they have looked at everything and this is the best way forward. Puzzling. 

As for the West Seattle meeting, I look to the West Seattle Blog

Though the first of this round of meetings was reported to have been contentious, this one only had one outburst, when an attendee yelled out that Dr. Jones should more aggressively push lawmakers to fix the persistent education-funding shortfall. Also of note, though the meetings were held regionally, there was almost nothing West Seattle-specific this morning, except for the question “Why build a new Alki Elementary when schools (will likely be) closing?”

(More on Alki in a minute.)

Jones said the balanced budget plan would be presented to the board this month. “We’re at a decision point” – and he contended that keeping all schools open would lead to staff cuts and class-size increases, as well as re-negotiating contracts and cutting or eliminating a variety of programs including athletics and preschool. Closures/consolidations would avoid all that, he said.

First of all, the district is always in a renegotiating mode given contracts are just 3 years. And cutting pre-K might actual save money; sure wish the City would pay for the space they use in Seattle Schools’ buildings. 

Yes, it’ll be disruptive, but teachers and administrators will get through – Dr. Jones told an anecdote he’s reported to have shared at other versions of this meeting, about changing schools multiple times as a child. “I’m inviting you all to come on this journey with us.” He insisted there’s no other option – “if there was (another) way, we would have already put it on the table.”

See? There’s no other way. 

The table we observed was facilitated by assistant superintendent Ted Howard, who said he’s the district’s “chief accountability officer.” (Previously, his experience included 16 years as principal of Garfield High School.) Rather than launching into Q/A, though, he launched into a speech to the table. In it, he continued trying to make the case for closures/consolidations. First he noted in speaking to the table that “schools are being asked to do a lot more” and said this is an “exciting” opportunity for community members to respond to the question of “what would you like to see” in schools. He said it’s a “deep” conversation – that schools have never been fully funded. 

Sounds like Howard didn’t want to get too many questions in. 

OK, said another participant, even at $2 million per school, that’s $40 million savings, but the deficit is $105 million, so what else will be done? Miscellaneous savings, Howard said, but the attendee pressed the point. It’s all “a moving target.” Eventually “will we lose some middle schools? Possibly. Will we lose some high schools? Possibly.” Another attendee asked about option (K-8) schools – she knew of one with a 60-student waitlist. Their fate depends on what the “needs and wants” identified by the community are. Another attendee questioned the plan to just “mothball” the closed schools – what about using them to generate income? she asked. They’re not looking at that, yet, Howard said.

Stunningly vague but options schools appear to be on the table. I would advise option school parents to participate in the Board’s community meeting on the next Strategic Plan to communicate those “needs and wants.” 

QUESTION: Will the district show detailed analysis of how these savings would be achieved, or is it just through staffing savings? Dr. Buttleman said that when Dr. Jones’s proposal is presented, it’ll have specifics on how much would save per school. He said some info had been added to the website last night. He added that about two-thirds of building savings would be maintenance, utilities, food services, etc.

Folks, you need to tell the Board that the proposal needs to be VERY detailed or else it’s just BS. 

QUESTION: What will happen with schools that are closing and what are the conditions of the closing schools? Podesta replied that building conditions are (part of how they’re making decisions) – some are in bad condition or they’re small buildings. He said there’ll be a short-term plan and long-term plan – former will keep all the buildings, an interim use will be identified – “we’ll maintain all the buildings, maintain all the grounds, we understand (many are community recreation spots)” – fields are in demand.

Yes, the fields are in demand but the district also has a joint-use agreement with the City they can’t back out of. Here’s a thought - back out of that agreement and let the City run a levy for field maintenance. There is no reason why it should largely fall to the district. That’s millions right there. 

QUESTION: What can the school board do with the plan? They can amend the plan or reject the plan, says Dr. Jones.

As if the Board would do that after months and months of work and meetings.  

QUESTION: Will each student get (support staff)? Buttleman said the Weighted Staffing Standards drive that – it would be “coming out of their work as to how the new staffing would look. … Some schools would have a fulltime nurse but not all schools.” Jones added, “This whole plan is predicated on having adequate support for our students.”

Whoa! Now, they are “adequately” supported schools? Because “a well-resourced school” would have a full-time nurse. 

QUESTION: What engagement if any has there been with state legislators? Dr. Jones said they meet with a state legislative delegation. “Our legislative delegation has been responsive … but we need you all to speak boldly (to them) about what SPS needs … if (school closures) is not an alarm going off, I don’t know what is.” Talk to them about ensuring that “basic education is funded,” he added. “Our legislators are listening to us,” but “we probably need to push even harder.” At that point someone shouted, “are you willing to do that publicly?” and another person shouted “Tax the rich!” Dr. Jones said he would lobby. That’s not enough, someone called out, saying Jones should call a news conference and make demands. Dr. Jones said, “I don’t know about ‘tax the rich’ and all that” and the attendee retorted, “It’s either tax the rich or tax working-class people.” Buttleman interjected that “engagement is happening” – he is meeting with legislators too.

Wonder how much either the Board or the Superintendent have met with legislators or spoken to legislators. 

He (Jones) acknowledges that the district’s been asked to “show your work” and says they’ll try harder to do that.

They have heard this through two meetings and come to this meeting unprepared to do that? It’s not gonna happen. 

QUESTION: What’s a real life example of a well resourced school? Jones said, “I don’t know if we have a single well-resourced school but we want a system of them.”

Really? He cannot think of one school that is an example of what he wants to see for all? Jones lacks so much political courage that it’s concerning. 

The last of these meetings will be a virtual one on Tuesday but the link has not been released. I’ll try to get it up but if not, check the district website.


Also to note, Director Gina Topp continues with her community meetings; the next one is Saturday, June 8th at 1 pm at High Point Library.


I mentioned Alki Elementary. The City has added a third day of testimony in the ongoing battle over whether SPS will get the many variances to city code that they need to rebuild it. Here’s the coverage from the West Seattle Blog:

That was the decision (to have a third day)  at the end of the second full day of testimony before city deputy hearing examiner Susan Drummond. She will decide whether to uphold the city’s decision to allow Seattle Public Schools to build the new, larger Alki Elementary with fewer parking spaces than zoning requires. 

The original design had no offstreet parking spaces, though 48 would be needed to comply with zoning. Nearby residents successfully appealed the city’s approval of the no-parking plan (as well as other “zoning departures” which were upheld). The district then proposed a new design with 15 spaces; the city approved it; a different group of nearby residents filed an appeal. That’s what’s being considered now.

WHAT’S NEXT: Both sides still have witnesses remaining, so that’s why they needed to extend the hearing another day. Testimony will resume at 9 am tomorrow (Monday, June 3) in the hearing room on the 40th floor of the Seattle Municipal Tower (spectators are allowed, or you can listen in by phone). If testimony has to go to a fourth day, Tuesday was discussed as a possibility. Once the hearing ends, hearing examiner Drummond will issue a written decision, typically after a few weeks.


One question that I see over and over is why they are rebuilding in a smaller spot (with no parking) rather than at the Lafayette Elementary site which is a much bigger spot. Why the district can’t answer that is troubling. Here’s an interesting reader comment:

Schmitz Park sits on 7.5 acres and Lafayette sits on 4.7 acres so why is SPS building a mega-sized well resourced school at the Alki site which is the smallest parcel in the district on 1.4 acres? The District knows there has been a signficant decrease in families who live close to Alki Elementary that walk, bike and roll to school and have observed a declining student enrollment to 271 students for years. Alki Elementary is definitely being rebuilt to accomodate the consolidation plan. The school will accomodate at least 540 or more students and 75 staff. 

This makes no sense in many ways but first and foremost is how the City of Seattle is planning urban development for the next 20 years in West Seattle as outlined in their most recent 2024 plan.  Has the District even considered the City’s plan since they design schools for 50 to 75 years? The four West Seattle Neighborhood Centers, previously termed Urban Villages, run north to south along California Avenue at the Admiral Junction, Alaska Junction, Morgan Junction and Westwood/Highland Park. These locations are where the City will be allocating funds for future density, growth, and resources to bike, walk and roll in West Seattle. The Alki neighborhood/school site will be an outlier community further away from the resources offered at the Admiral Junction Neighborhood Center.  

West Seattle High School and Madison Middle School will be further away for an elementary aged student to walk, bike or roll without some form of adult guidance. The Alki School location would rely on other forms of transportation, such as cars, since SPS does not provide bus accomodations to any student who lives within a 1 mile radius from their school. The City’s Urban Plan is to reduce the amount of cars in the future. It makes NO sense for SPS and the City to not plan accordingly and cohesively, now, for West Seattle’s future growth. 


Comments

DLI curious said…
Any 'tea leaves' interpretation of what their response to the question about dual-language means for existing DLI programs / schools (McDonald; John Stanford)? Here was the quote:

“We are looking at those spaces where dual language is not accessible to our heritage speakers - to our students who actually speak another language.

So we are looking at - as we design our new system - making sure that we are providing services and supports in those spaces that students have access to throughout our city.

So I would say that that’s something we want to make sure is built into the design of our system. So that it truly is equitably accessible throughout the city.”

I can't tell if this means actual expansion of DLI programs / schools (in addition to what already exists). Or something similar to what they did in dismantling the current HCC schools / programs, and somehow then expecting to magically incorporate it into the general classroom.

What are your thoughts?
DLI curious said…
For reference, the DLI conversation comes up in the community meeting video at 1:07:58 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT2zjpRbQJA
Anonymous said…
More chickens are coming back.

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/failures-in-student-safety-jeopardize-seattle-public-schools-bottom-line/
DLI curious said…
The DLI topic came up again at tonight's (6/4) community meeting.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9S0YddTSx4Y (52:23 - 54:14)

Question - Dual language immersion has been amazing for exposing my child to other cultures at a level we could never provide if he wasn't immersed daily and surrounded by native speakers at his option school. I hope that maintaining and expanding dual language instruction or immersion instruction is part of the well-resourced schools plan, especially if equity is a priority. Can you say how DL programming will be affected?

Marni Campbell - So. I can speak a little bit to that. We know that dual language immersion, dual language instruction is something that builds on the brilliance of our students who are multilingual. It also closes gaps of opportunities for our students who are multilingual. It is a powerful strategy. And we want to make sure that it is available, particularly to our students who are multilingual - who come to us speaking another language. So we are looking at then making sure that those services are available where students live, making sure they have access to them. That's consistent with policy 2200 - making sure that we are looking at our overall approach across the district to promoting and providing that service opportunity for our students.

Brent Jones - And at the macro level, this whole effort is really again - and I would sound like a broken record - but to sustain our programs, sustain our services. And so, we're not talking about reducing the service offerings and the program offerings. We’re actually talking about how do we shore them up? And so, our DLI programming and dual language programming should sustain as we go forward. So, I just wanted to give people some reassurance on that.
Frustrated Mom said…
I think the district could easily fill another couple DLI elementary schools in North Seattle if they wanted to. But that would involve actively appealing to the parents who choose to go private and that seems to be taboo.
Anonymous said…
Another episode of shooting near Seattle Public Schools.

https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/seattle-shooting-garfield-high-school

Maybe SPS should close the central office to save money and disperse the staff in these neighborhood schools.

Strategic Savings
Anonymous said…
@strategic savings - meh, I believe most of central staff works from home. Relocating them is not a budget boon, although you might pay down the rainy day fund a little if you sold the building. Sort of weird that you think placing them in schools is some kind of dunk.

Public Servants
Anonymous said…
@public servants - if most of central staff are still "working" from home, we can replace them with people in India who could really do such jobs for the work to get done.

All we got to miss will be the word salads by the specialists who consume tons of time and resources for the spins in their incompetent circle and accommodation for the despicable meetings between the board and a Texas consultant.

They should work in-person at the gang infested high schools their policies and governance have created.

SS
John stewart said…
SPS has struggled for seemingly forever at planning for future growth. When they closed what was then TT Minor there were more students under 5 in its reference area at the time than there were in any other reference area in Seattle (parents did a stunning amount of research). Incredibly walkable community in that reference area. Instead the District closed the school, still had to pay for maintenance, including a new roof, and then reopened as the World School. Not going to rehash their argument about why that made sense - but also not even a little surprised to see them pushing so hard for Alki because "it's the plan" even though in the context of everything explained above there are great reasons why it's a really bad, short-sighted plan.
Anonymous said…
@SS your disdain for public servants is showing. You could try and train the staff in India to answer public disclosure requests or how to apply for grants, defend legal cases, or process payroll but it’s not the “plug and play” work you think it is. And 100% cut the central staff who have no measurable impact on legal compliance or student outcomes. Schools have problems, but “infested” is an ick way to talk about children.

You’re the Problem
Anonymous said…
I am willing to make a correction thanks to the "You're the Problem" person who felt offended.

Corrected: They should work in-person at the gang friendly high schools their policies and governance have created.

Why do they work from home? If beefy jobs needed to be done by hiring outside lawyers and contractors in legal, IT, transportation, payrolls, curriculums, mental health, and etc. etc., why do those positions continue to exist even in the acute financial deficit crisis? But yes, just save as many Public Record officers as possible, instead of Assistant Superintendents.

What is that Rainier View Elementary principal doing at the Central Office "while being investigated"? Why are there consultants to coach the board to give up its fiducial duty to give oversight on our tax dollars? Are they going to stay remote and bloated at the hustlers-infested Central Office?

SS

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