Seattle Times' Article on Seattle Schools and School Closure/Consolidation

The Times had an article this morning, Seattle may need to close schools to save money. I was wondering when they might get around to printing something.

The Times says SPS is "tiptoeing around the idea that it may have to close some schools in a few years." If they listened to that Work Session on the Budget, they wouldn't have said "tiptoeing." 

The district's party line:

If SPS were to consolidate, staffers argue, students might get better access to specialized programs, social workers, specialists, school counselors and nurses — resources that students have continuously requested in the last school year.

Podesta said the district believes that “consolidating into larger schools that have the resources they need is a good strategy whether you have money problems or not.”

If the latter were true AND SPS has had money issues for years, how come no one has suggested it before?

Five years from now, SPS staff projects the district could have as many as 48,515 students, or as few as 45,017. If the worst-case scenario were to happen, that would represent a 16% drop in enrollment from 2019-20.

Enrollment projections are estimates because the pandemic has delayed the release of some 2020 census data, Podesta said.

He also said:

What’s equitable [and] conditions of the building are also going to be taken into account when thinking about this.”

Just what I thought - race and building condition will be the two main criteria to pick who closes. 

And Jones said:

“We’re thinking about this more of a school consolidation than school closures because our intent won’t be to get rid of our buildings — it would be to maybe repurpose them,” Jones said. 

As buildings for charter schools so the district will have a new revenue stream?

Gotta say, those comments at the end of the story are not kind but some offer some ideas:

Here is how you reverse the trend of declining enrollment--Step 1-Admit that the prolonged closures of schools during COVID were a catastrophe and did massive damage to students and their families. Admit you were wrong! Step 2: Create a plan to restore academic excellence, a focus on achievement, and implement an incentive program for teachers and staff to ensure their financial interests are in line with those of students and families. Step 3: Ensure students who are behind get help, and that students who are ahead or advanced, have opportunities to be challenged.

Do this and you will get back MANY of the families who have moved to private school. For now, parents do not trust the public school system because public officials still are unwilling to admit how wrong they were and how much damage they've done. Saying "the pandemic," "expensive housing" and "declining birthrates" are responsible for the massive drop in enrollment makes it obvious that the school districts are just burying their heads in the sand and will not address the real issues.
 
It would be nice to see some specific numbers, but the concept of saving money by closing a school appears to be that each school has a minimum amount of overhead in terms of janitors, administrative assistants, and other nonteaching staff- you could have a lower ratio of these at a larger school? Couldn't we identify some nonteaching staff at district headquarters that aren't truly essential?
 
What is the market share of Seattle public schools compared to all students who reside in the city limits? How has that market share changed over the past several decades? How has parent satisfaction with schools changed over the past several decades, or does anyone in SPS even care about parent satisfaction?  

The private schools aren't closing and consolidating, they are adding on. Bush just opened a new addition. SAAS is building a five story 30 classroom high school.
 
I have a creative idea!
Why not going into partnership with Amazon and create the ultimate learning experience for kids!
Will get rid of the red tape bureaucratic nonsense.
Might allow for educational fulfillment in Seattle city schools.
Let’s look for creative answers outside a bad paradigm!  


 

 

 

 


 

Comments

Anonymous said…
I think these comments capture a good ideas for SPS to compete for the students who live in the city, but I would also suggest that SPS reach out to former students/families and survey them to find out why they left. It could be due to closures, curriculum and academic rigor, "woke" policies, etc. Without data from actual students who have left, it's an educated guess at best.

I personally would love to see less emphasis on "equity" and more on excellence; especially given how abysmal the outcomes have been for non-white/asian students. SPS has bought deeply into the soft bigotry of low expectations and it shows in their achievement gaps.

I know you don't like charter schools but it seems inevitable that they will be given some prime location buildings to gain a foothold in Seattle. Do you really think that charters are worse than SPS as currently run? Not some idealized public school system but the one we actually have?
1) No charter will be "given" anything. By law, they have first rights to using an empty school building. But not for free and SPS better charge them market rates because SPS needs the money.
2) Not sure if you mean WA state charters? But it a bit of apples and oranges to compare an entire district to a one-off charter school. And WA state charters have NOT fared all that well.
3) There's a bill in the legislature to extend the 5-year window for up to 40 charter schools. I have to laugh at that because we are told - over and over - how parents are just dying for them and yet....
Anonymous said…
All my students went into running start. It was the best choice for them.

hangon
Anonymous said…
SPS is aware of why families like ours left but they don’t ask questions when they know they won’t like the answers.
The influx of children with unchecked behavioral problems and resulting classroom chaos many years ago drove us to private school. There is absolutely nothing that SPS could do that would lure us back. Much too little, too late. Private schools reopened much faster and the educational rigor remained: no ridiculous “A for everyone”. Best of luck everyone.

Forever Private
Anonymous said…
@Forever Private - I was going to post the same comment but you beat me to it. "Never ask a question you don't want the answer to." There was an article several months ago which quoted Song Maritz basically lamenting that SPS has no idea why families are leaving.

If SPS really does lease space out to charter schools - and they don't collapse from lack of enrollment - won't that really go some way towards answering why families keep un-enrolling or not even starting at SPS?

As for the comments at the end of the article, that first one is dead on. Offer a compelling product and families will absolutely beat down their doors to enroll. I really don't believe most of us delight in spending a minimum of $10k/year on top of the taxes we already to pay to get our children schooled up in what we consider to be an acceptable manner. But it truly seems that SPS believes "academic excellence" is anathema to its mission... whatever that is.

- One More Eckstein Parent
Anonymous said…
I remain more than a little baffled at how much air charter schools take up in discussions about public schools. In Washington state, only 23 charter schools state-wide have ever existed, and 6 of them, more than 25%, have since closed. There are only 17 charters in the whole state right now, the 2 most recent in Spokane. Under the current law, and given the high rate at which they close down, charters are simply not a major policy issue in public education in this state, and they do not play a significant role in our school enrollment challenges. They serve a specific social function here, namely, to give school choice to chiefly families of color seeking an alternative to their regular public school. Our charter law organizes charters quite differently than in other states, yet so many people who haven't lived here long have all kinds of irrelevant comments about (Washington's) charters. With Dems in control of both houses and the governor's office, there is no realistic chance that any bill expanding charters would pass in the near future.

Every syllable we spend worrying about them, I think, distracts us from much more pressing issues like funding.

Do you know what kind of school actually is playing a role in public school enrollment? It's private schools. Not charters, not homeschooling, but private schools. About 30% of school-aged children in Seattle are attending private schools. We have snooty traditional private schools, we have woke progressive private schools, we have conservative Evangelical private schools, we have Catholic schools, we have private schools of other faith communities, too, we have private schools offering child-directed learning, we have private schools with minimally structured programs, and we have highly structured private schools, we have private schools for dyslexia, for gifted/highly capable kids, and we have private schools that are designed oxymoronically around unschooling. We have girls' schools, boys' schools. There are language immersion private schools. Some are tiny, some are huge. Some cost $18,000 a year, some cost close to $70,000 a year. All offer financial aid of some kind. Seattle just has a ton of private schools. Way more than most other cities our size, with way more kids attending them than other cities our size.

Private school attendance should be at the forefront of every education policy conversation we are having in Seattle, especially around enrollment, but the Cone of Silence somehow prevents this. But, yes, let's belabor the trivial role charters play in public education here and continue to ignore the private elephant in our classrooms.

EdPolicy Wonk
Anonymous said…
EdPolicy Wonk

You raise a great point, but I’m not sure anyone likes the idea of renting out previously public school buildings to private schools any better. Honesty, if this arrangement can keep the district afloat, it’s not so terrible, and it maintains those buildings and a hope that the district will live to see better days. But it also enables the district to continue being awful.

District fer Rent
Anonymous said…
The much quoted 30% children attending private school in Seattle, includes children attending pre-school. It is not an accurate reflection of children enrolled K-12.

Stet
Anonymous said…
Whenever I speak with a possible new hire and the subject of public school comes up I always try and steer them away from SPS. It might sound horrible to many of you but I feel it's right to warn them because I know they will simply google and see the truth.

Ouch
Anonymous said…
@Stet: I believe you're right about the 30%, but Seattle is still #3 in K-12 private school enrollment. At least in 2020 it was ~22% per US Census data via Seattle Times. (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/more-than-1-in-5-seattle-students-are-enrolled-in-private-schools-among-highest-in-nation/)

@Melissa - I was curious about the Birth-to-K ratio I found in SPS' enrollment report and how it compares with other comparable school districts. I wasn't able to find a lot of info googling around so I'm wondering if other districts call it something else. At any rate, for anyone who doesn't know - it's a measure of % of births in an area and then subsequent enrollment in the area kindergarten 5 years on. A value >1 (100%) means a net influx of people and a value <1 means either private school or people moving away. The most recent enrollment report goes back to I think 2017 but you can put together a longer data chain looking at earlier enrollment reports. Essentially, Birth-to-K peaked for SPS in 2012 = 72.7%, falling to 64.3% in 2016 and staying basically level there until 2020 plummeted to 54.4% and then in 2021 to 52.5%. So what's going on? Presumably a ratio that low means a LOT of people decamp from Seattle when they have kids and one of the bigger reasons for people moving is because of... schools. At least in my experience.

-One More Eckstein Parent

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