Tuesday Open Thread
Paul Allen has given $1M to Initiative 1639, a measure for gun control and responsibility. His statement from GeekWire:
Culinary arts news from SPS Communications; congrats to to the advanced culinary students at Franklin High who won the first annual Culinary Summit to create a "June Sundae." Their creation?
There was also a competition for school lunches with these winning dishes:
"Initiative 1639 is a reasonable and necessary measure that will improve the safety of our schools and our communities, which is why I have contributed a million dollars to the campaign.
I hope people throughout the state will support the campaign, so that we can qualify and pass this important initiative into law."
If passed, the initiative would raise the minimum age to purchase semiautomatic rifles to 21 and create more enhanced background checks, bringing the system in line with requirements to purchase handguns. The initiative would also require people to undergo firearm safety training before purchasing a semiautomatic weapon and require a waiting period of up to 10 days to purchase the weapon.I have been selected to be on the new Information Technology Advisory Committee (ITAC) that was put forth by Director Rick Burke. We were told 125 people applied so I feel very honored to be part of this group. We had our first meeting yesterday. I'm happy to report we are a diverse group (at least half women) plus two student members, both of whom are great. I'll have a separate thread on this.
Culinary arts news from SPS Communications; congrats to to the advanced culinary students at Franklin High who won the first annual Culinary Summit to create a "June Sundae." Their creation?
Wild blueberries with Molly Moon Dark Fudge, paired with a shortbread cookie and a sprinkling of kosher salt, cinnamon and sugar.Big shout-out to Molly Moon ice cream for supporting this effort!
Their creation will be the feature sundae through the month of June at all Molly Moon locations across the city. The proceeds from “June Sundae” will be gifted to the Seattle Public Schools culinary program.
There was also a competition for school lunches with these winning dishes:
- Ingraham: Chicken and spinach quesadilla
- West Seattle: Chicken street tacos with cilantro lime rice
- Roosevelt: Chicken stir-fry
- Rainier Beach: Turkey-BLT sandwich
The winning entrees created by students in the school menu challenge will be incorporated into the 2018-19 districtwide school menu.What's on your mind?
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Why do groups accept money from the Weinstein of Seattle?
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Seeing gun possession as a civil right that protects against gov't control is a foolish anachronism. The Netherlands has a military, for example, that has been ridiculed for decades. Yet they have prodigious tech prowess and it is the Dutch that always have to warn us when we are being hacked and by whom. It is interesting to be living in the decade in which the US becomes a pathetic joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/history-of-school-shootings-in-washington-state/
It would be better to setup a free gun safe program for law abiding citizens.
$2,000,000 could buy 15,000 rifle safes or 23,000 pistol safes.
Geez
That's laying aside the fact that those 1M people who don't store safely could do so at a cost of less than $100, a fraction of the cost of most guns. Makes one think that maybe they don't actually care that much about storing guns safely, and that maybe giving them gun safes wouldn't actually solve the problem.
Tell me another one about how responsible gun owners are.
$2,000,000 is just the tip of the iceberg, you know that. So make it $100,000,000 campaign. Allen could give that and not even notice it's gone.
$100,000,000 buys 1,000,000 safes maybe even more.
Libs always wan't to use a stick when it comes to guns, but they love to give out other peoples carrots when it's for one of their progressive causes.
Geez
In 2017 there were 13 Fatal bicycle car collisions in WA and zero school shootings. Now tell me how me another on how responsible car owners are.
So are you interested in school safety or just want to rid people of guns. I think think the latter.
This will just another unconstitutional law to be throw out along with all the money spent on it.
Geez
You also kinda missed my point. A million gun owners in this state do not store their guns safely, despite very low barriers to doing that. Giving them gun safes without requiring them to store safely won't do any good. A million gun owners in this state are doing the equivalent of driving without seat belts. Except it's worse than that, they're endangering their entire families too (7000 kids a year are killed or injured by accidental gun discharges). It's really more like they're driving around with their their kids climbing around the back seat. Is that how you roll? After all, it's no problem as long as you don't get in an accident.
Since we're on the old "why do you allow cars to drive around since they're so dangerous" canard, let's take a look at that too. I'd love to treat guns just like cars. Register every gun on the street. License and insure every gun owner. And have the equivalent to seat belt laws.
You got me. I'm not just interested in school safety. I'm interested in people in general being safe inside or outside of school. That's the kind of devious bastard I am. Seriously, I don't want to take your guns away. I just want reasonable safety standards. I don't even care if you have an Uzi as long as you keep it at the gun range.
What? I'll go find that data because there are a lot of small children dying from unsecured guns.
I'm with Eric on treating guns like cars.
Worst most drivers are under insured leaving lots of unpaid medical bills for taxpayers to pick up.
You can have a car as long as you leave it at the race track!
Geez
You know why the cars vs. guns argument doesn't hold up? Because cars are subject to ever-increasing safety standards. I'd love that to be true of guns. And you know what? The safety standards work. In 1950, there were 7.2 fatalities per 100,000 vehicle miles traveled. In 2016, that was 1.2/100,000. By steadily improving safety standards and laws, we've cut the fatality rate by a factor of 6. So tell me again why safety standards don't work?
I suggest taking Trolling 102 at your local training facility. I'm done here.
While the leading causes of unintentional injury deaths vary by age of the child, the overall leading causes for Washington children are motor vehicle crashes, poisoning, suffocation and drowning. The three most common causes for nonfatal unintentional injury hospitalizations for Washington children were falls/ jumps/ pushes, motor vehicle crashes, and injuries caused by being struck accidentally by an object or person.1,2
Look closely...no mention of guns. I know it's hard for you to handle facts.
Geez
The data just doesn't support your proposed path of gun restrictions. Maybe if the liberal press hyped up traffic deaths as they do shooting you would be screaming to ban cars?
Total Handgun Rifle or Shotgun
Rate2 No. Crude Rate1 Age-Adj Rate2 No. Crude Rate1 Age-Adj Rate2
Total 714 10.1 9.9 391 5.5 5.4 83 1.2 1.2 240 3.4 3.4
Unintentional Injury (Accident) 2 * * 1 * * 0 * * 1 * *
Self-Harm (Suicide) 535 7.6 7.3 351 5.0 4.8 76 1.1 1.1 108 1.5 1.5
Assault (Homicide) 160 2.3 2.3 38 0.5 0.6 7 0.1 0.1 115 1.6 1.7
Undetermined 4 * * 1 * * 0 * * 3 * *
Legal Intervention 13 0.2 0.2 0 * * 0 * * 13 0.2 0.2
I'm not sure if you have taken the time to research it, but you can be charged with involuntary manslaughter for not securing guns from children.
Geez
Geez
Accidental shootings aren't a problem in WA? The dozen kids killed or injured in 2014-2016 might disagree with you. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/accidental-shootings-killing-injuring-washington-state-children/ At what point is it a problem? Put a price on how many kids have to die in a year in Washington before you're willing to accept the slightest restriction on your precious guns. Is it 5? 10? 20? 100? What's your price?
When was the last time a person was charged with involuntary manslaughter for failing to secure a gun in WA? Every article I've seen, the police said that the families had suffered enough because Mom or Dad or brother or sister or friend was dead. The ST article linked above points to that.
That article also points out that Children's Hospital has been giving out gun safes for free for years. They've managed to give away 2,500, barely a dent in the million or so gun owners who store unsafely. So there's apparently not a huge demand for gun safes out there among the "responsible gun owner" community. I guess Paul Allen can keep his billions.
You keep saying I want to take your guns. You're lying. I want reasonable restrictions on who can buy guns and what features they can have.
You keep on down the road of car accidents. That's just a terrible argument. Cars have had enormous changes in just the past decade to minimize risk of death from accidents. Streets and speed limits have changed throughout Seattle to minimize deaths from car-pedestrian and car-bicycle accidents. And somehow life goes on in the city and people keep on driving their cars and fewer people die from accidents. Crazy, right?
On guns, you've got nearly nothing. I'm not going to suggest technological changes to guns because we don't actually know what works in general because nearly all federal safety research into guns has been stopped. You really want to do the same level of research and regulation on guns as they have for cars? Bring it on.
Children's lives matter more than some dude's desire to feel like a big man by owning a firearm.
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Why does owning a gun make one feel like a big man. What about big women that use guns to stop big men. I guess you don't want them to be able to protect themselves?
Did you read the data that shows children are killed in cars more than any other cause?
Why do you assume I don't care if children are shot? Oh and you're bigly wrong on people not being charged,
Apr 19, 2018 - MERRILLVILLE, Ind. — Police say an Indiana man is facing charges after his 3-year-old daughter accidentally shot her pregnant mother with a ...
S. Jersey officer charged after leaving unsecured gun that killed ...
www.philly.com/philly/.../police-officer-sailor-lane-righter-kenneth-stratford-gun.htm...
Jan 21, 2017 - Stratford police officer Kenneth Righter left a loaded and unsecured .357 revolver in reach of his 8-year-old daughter, Sailor, who was fatally shot New Year's Eve at ... did not say whether Sailor or another family member fired the gun, ... the guidelines state, adding, “Officers are encouraged to purchase a ...
Father charged with firearms offences over 3yo daughter's gunshot ...
www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-28/father-charged-over-daughters-death/8848268
Aug 27, 2017 - The 43-year-old father was charged with not keeping firearms safe, ... Police said the girl's mother was in the house when her daughter ... Another neighbour, Mark Tupua, told the ABC he rushed outside ... Photo: Police outside the Lalor Park home where a 3-year-old girl was fatally shot on
Geez
You keep talking about children killed by cars. In years 2008-2010, 28 kids age 0-24 were killed in car crashes (https://www.doh.wa.gov/portals/1/Documents/2900/DOH530090MtrVeh.pdf), or 9 per year. 2011-2013 had 8 gun deaths for the same age range (https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/Pubs/346057.pdf).
You're obviously OK with 3 kids being killed by gunfire in a year. Is 10 too many? 20? What's your price?
If we don't have those things, our species will perish and it will be soon, so why not star down that road and quit pussy-footing around. Complete gun abolition. Complete police reform. Complete end to government corruption. Complete end to the destruction of the environment.
And of course, the complete end of violence towards animals by eating them.
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May 11, 2018
CANBERRA, Australia -- It could be Australia's worst mass shooting in 22 years. A family of seven including four children was found dead with gunshot wounds Friday at a rural property in southwest Australia in, police and media said. The children died with their mother and grandparents.
2. Norway is a socialist country and is what the U.S should model after and has no gun violence...wrong.
The 2011 Norway attacks, referred to in Norway as 22 July (Norwegian: 22. juli),[14] the date of the events, were two sequential lone wolf terrorist attacks by Anders Behring Breivik against the government, the civilian population, and a Workers' Youth League (AUF)-run summer camp. The attacks claimed a total of 77 lives.
Look at the massive flip flop by the libs on government. Libs now think the government should control every aspect of a person's life. Libs used to think the government was the boogieman.
Now back to the facts...
Marysville cop charged with manslaughter in daughter's death | The ...
https://www.seattletimes.com/.../marysville-cop-charged-with-manslaughter-in-daughters...
May 22, 2012 - A Marysville police officer whose daughter was fatally shot by his 3-year-old son with a loaded handgun left in the family van was charged with manslaughter.
Dec 6, 2017 - The Cowlitz County Prosecutor's Office has charged 13-year-old Dawson Anthony Dunn of Kelso with first-degree manslaughter in the accidental shooting death of his ... Dunn told the detective that he racked the gun to make sure it was ....
komonews.com/archive/kent-man-gets-prison-time-for-selling-gun-used-in-murder
A Kent man was sentenced to a year in federal prison Friday for selling a gun to a ... Ladera was charged with a crime because he sold a Smith and Wesson .40 ... If Smiornov had been a legal resident of Washington state, Ladera would not ...
Jan 24, 2017 - EVERETT — An Everett man is now charged with first-degree ... Duncan also told police he was unfamiliar with firearms, saying it was the first ...
Geez
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2/10 for bringing up counterexamples without knowing the facts behind them. Remedial work necessary. I do appreciate your hard work in proving my point for me.
How many kids dying from gunfire every year is OK? What's an acceptable price?
Facts can be tough for some to get their head around; America is the only country to have continual school shootings and the only country that generally thinks it cannot be fixed! UK banned guns in '96, and no school shootings since (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dunblane-school-shootings-ban).
Geez puts guns over kids and is deluded enough to think his silly google searches make him someone we can learn from. Sounds like a standard MAGAt to me.
Geez, "bigly?" Well, isn't that the dog whistle. Move along, Geez. You've made your point.
I don't want to see any children die, but more children will die from opioid overdoses than guns in WA state. Where's your outrage. Legalizing weed (the progressive drug of choice) shows just how little liberals really care about children.
I just don't buy what you're selling, but at least some are honest in admitting they want to rid the world of guns. Good luck with that.
Geez
Darn facts again.
Geez
The idea that a person hellbent on killing would keep their guns at a shooting range is ridiculous. I remember the story, "There was an old lady who wallowed a fly".
It's very fitting when thinking about gun control and human psychology.
Just facts
If you don't want to see any children die, and you think that everyone having gun safes is the solution, why don't you support an initiative requiring people to use gun safes?
Never mind, I don't really want to know your twisted logic on that one. It's pretty clear that there is no price that's too high for society to pay as long as you get to cradle your sweet, sweet firearm and you drift off to sleep every night.
"Mayor Jenny Durkan is proposing new Seattle gun control legislation to tighten regulations around safe storage of firearms. It will also penalize gun owners who fail to report lost or stolen guns, or if their firearms are misused by an “unauthorized user.”
“The roots of gun violence are complex, but we know that unsecured, unsafely stored guns help fuel this crisis of violence because they are more likely to cause tragic accidents, fall into the wrong hands, or be used in suicides,” Durkan said. “Requiring that gun owners safely store their guns can help make our communities safer places to live.”
http://mynorthwest.com/998797/durkan-seattle-gun-control-storage/
Yup. But I think the fine for unauthorized use should be much higher. Nothing gets people's attention like money.
Also, if this passes, SPS should incorporate in into the "back to school" or new enrollment paperwork. A brightly colored sheet that says, in big letters, something like " YOU COULD BE FINED $5000-10,000 if your child or another student student briings a gun onto a school campus or elsewhere in Seattle. Please secure all guns to prevent unauthorized access by minors, at-risk individuals, and those not permitted to access guns. If you need financial assistance obtaining a gun safe for safe gun storage, here are some resources... " (The notice should also provide a link to, and/or summary of, the new city law, since many may not hear of it.)
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Wah Mee Club 1983 13 armed robbery handguns
Capital Hill 6 2006 unknown shotgun handgun
Skagit County shooting spree 6 2008 30/30 handgun
Carnation murders 6 2007 greed handguns
Trang Dai 1998 5 personal gripe AK-47
Cafe Racer 2012 5 rage handgun
Pilchuck High school 5 2014 revenge handgun *
Cascade mall 5 2016 terrorist 22 rifle *
Lakewood 4 2009 hate crime handgun
Mukilteo 3 2016 revenge AR-556
Frontier school 1081 3 mental illness 30/30 and handgun
* unsecured weapon used
Deaths using "assault rifle = 8
Deaths using handgun = 43
Deaths using shotguns = 6
Deaths using other riles = 14
Students killed = 7
teachers killed = 1
police killed = 4
I think I captured all the mass shootings, if you remove the Wahmee you are left 10 mass shootings will 48 deaths.
I'm not in anyway trying to minimize the tragedy of people being killed, but the data does not support an epidemic of
school shootings or mass shootings involving assault rifles or unsecured guns.
These are the high profile crimes and only the ones with 2 or more deaths.
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