Tuesday Open Thread
The City is getting near to making a decision about upzoning throughout the city. They say it will be "gradual and incremental" but frankly, I'm sure once the ok comes, you'll see the changes come rapidly. One item to consider is the report issued by the Mandatory Housing Affordability group says that the current zoning is not fair to all citizens and does not afford them the ability to be near "parks and schools."
While upzoning would create the ability for more citizens to access the parks and schools, it would also mean more crowding in schools if density is greater. What will we do then? If that happened, I would say the district is within its rights to ask for financial/logistical help in building more schools/expanding schools. The City's decision to change zoning will always affect schools. (I have previously noted that directly across from Roosevelt High School, there are several apartment buildings going up with more to come. I would suspect that a few apartments might be rented by parents who want to guarantee their child gets into Roosevelt. There's also that kind of issue.)
Seattle is one of 34 district to share $900,000 that was appropriated by the Legislature to match federal funds that are "designed to assist public school districts in improving student instruction and assessment through the use of information technology." I'll have to ask the district what their share is and how they will be using it.
I see by the Public Testimony list for tomorrow night's Board meeting that there are still at least 8 open spots.
The agenda for Thursday's Operations Committee meeting makes for interesting reading. There are a lot of items related to capital projects.
The district has added three students to the High School Science Adoption Committee.
On the topic of bond measures, the Seattle Times has come out with an editorial telling the Legislature that they need to lower the 60% super-majority for passage. They are right. Too many smaller districts are getting their hearts broken over 58-59% passage AND not passing a bond in years and years.
While upzoning would create the ability for more citizens to access the parks and schools, it would also mean more crowding in schools if density is greater. What will we do then? If that happened, I would say the district is within its rights to ask for financial/logistical help in building more schools/expanding schools. The City's decision to change zoning will always affect schools. (I have previously noted that directly across from Roosevelt High School, there are several apartment buildings going up with more to come. I would suspect that a few apartments might be rented by parents who want to guarantee their child gets into Roosevelt. There's also that kind of issue.)
Seattle is one of 34 district to share $900,000 that was appropriated by the Legislature to match federal funds that are "designed to assist public school districts in improving student instruction and assessment through the use of information technology." I'll have to ask the district what their share is and how they will be using it.
I see by the Public Testimony list for tomorrow night's Board meeting that there are still at least 8 open spots.
The agenda for Thursday's Operations Committee meeting makes for interesting reading. There are a lot of items related to capital projects.
The district has added three students to the High School Science Adoption Committee.
Nahom and Sofia are both juniors at Franklin High School and Aiden is a sophomore at The Center School. All three students like science and want to pursue a career in the science field upon graduation. As part of the committee, they will meet throughout the year with adults (teachers, district staff, families, and community members) to decide on potential instructional materials to introduce to the larger community for further review.OSPI and the Statewide SEL Indicator Workgroup have put forth a survey for Social Emotional Learning (SEL) by request from the Legislature. It is unclear to me when the end date is for the survey; I'll check.
On the topic of bond measures, the Seattle Times has come out with an editorial telling the Legislature that they need to lower the 60% super-majority for passage. They are right. Too many smaller districts are getting their hearts broken over 58-59% passage AND not passing a bond in years and years.
Even slightly lowering the bar for passing bonds would make a huge difference. This year, 12 school construction bonds failed despite winning the approval of more than 55 percent of local voters. If lawmakers cannot agree on establishing a simple majority requirement for passing school bonds, they should pass a compromise that sets 55 percent as the new standard.
At the same time, state lawmakers must ensure they also provide ample matching funds for school construction in the their upcoming capital budget. The Legislature approved about $1 billion for school construction in its last capital budget; a similar investment may be necessary for the next two-year budget cycle. Legislative leaders should examine whether the formula used to award matching grants should be updated, so that it better reflects actual construction costs.Finally, an op-ed from head of OSPI, Chris Reykdal, on the issue of levies and levy authority. The Times had said that districts like Seattle were out of line in ask for their upcoming levies and Reykdal shouldn't be supporting them. To which, Reykdal says:
In 2017, the Legislature tasked my office with this process of reviewing levy plans before they go to voters, and it put new limits on how much funding school districts can collect in those levies — the key word being “collect.”
The law did not change how much levy authority school districts can put before their local voters. In other words, school districts can ask their voters for the authority to collect more levy dollars than the law currently allows them to collect; however, our school districts will only be allowed to collect within their legal limits. This has been the law for decades.And this very important statement (bold mine):
School districts can’t forecast with precision what their enrollment or levy authority might be three or four years out, so they get approval to cover those variances. Without this flexibility, school districts would waste taxpayer money going to the ballot every year with precise levy amounts.
In addition to these variances, Seattle Public Schools is asking for additional authority from voters because the Legislature significantly cut its local levy. Seattle will lose nearly $100 million in voter-approved school levies under the Legislature’s levy swap. This is too much!
One of the most crucial investments that school districts across the state, including Seattle, will make with levy dollars is in critical services for students with disabilities. Because we continue to see underfunding of these services, I explicitly told our school districts they could use their levy dollars for this. Until the Legislature fully funds special education, districts will need to continue using their levies to fund these services. The civil rights of students supersedes state funding formulas.What's on your mind?
Comments
The "Village" boundaries stretch from 8th to 22nd Aves NW and 77th to 95th Streets. In addition to the rezoning of its mostly single family properties to allow townhouses and apartments, building height limits along the arterials (85th, 15th & Holman) will be raised to up to 75 feet (7+ stories). Though deemed a neighborhood with "high access to opportunity", Crown Hill lacks infrastructure to support such growth (such as sidewalks, formal drainage, community center, library, light rail plans, etc.) The fact that students North of 85th are sent to Ingraham via district yellow bus speaks to both the capacity issues at Ballard and inadequate public transportation.
Proposed maps: http://seattlecitygis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=b0167cf4e63149e3b891307a41a639e5
Current zoning: http://seattlecitygis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=b0167cf4e63149e3b891307a41a639e5
My husband hasn't really seen that this is real yet. I cannot imagine the heartbreak it will cause him when the truth finally sinks in.
-CrownhillResident
Thank you for filling out the survey. I also urge you to send your comments to City Council, if you haven't already. City Council is currently and quickly working on amendments to the MHA legislation.
One of the reasons that Crown Hill is seeing such massive rezones is that it was deemed at lower risk of displacement than other urban villages. Your situation, being a teacher living in a modest home, does not follow that narrative, and I believe is more typical of the neighborhood. (We have 3 teachers on my block!)
Note: the truth is that CHUV is at a higher risk of displacement that the City average, but it is still lower than other urban villages. Only urban villages are being rezoned.
-CrownhillResident
Unclear
That said, experience south of 65th indicates that most single-family homeowners will sell and developers will put up row houses. There's nothing that forces you to sell, though.
In that case I will be looking to sell to the first llc that offers 7 figures cash.
My neighborhood is currently single family, with triplexes and DADUs grandfathered in.
However the city is looking to expand the urban village footprint four blocks in my direction, without any buffer.
CrownHillresident stated that they do not want to be the house from "UP." Rezones don't directly force residents to move, but it is unpleasant to reside in a construction zone. I personally get letters from predatory developers weekly. There is also the risk of property taxes increasing with rising property values (potentially.)
@Eric B.
Yes, the arterial sidewalks and busses are useful, if one wants to LEAVE the neighborhood, not get around it. Please note in my original statement that Ingraham High School kids are provided yellow bus service, as City bus service is insufficient from CH.
@CrownHillresident. Please don't cry! You don't have to move tomorrow. The rezones have not yet passed. There is an election coming up. The pace of building could slow. And this is a 20 year plan. (Ballard was rezoned more than 20 years ago to get to where it is today.)
But I'm getting off topic! We should be united in drawing attention to issues related to school capacity and building condition. This might be helpful ammo in getting Whitman considered for future investments.
Also, I know very well the issues of transit. One of my kids rides the yellow bus every day to Ingraham, and the other rode both Metro and the yellow bus for four years.
That was from three years ago.
http://seattle2035.wpengine.com/draft-plan/
Sorry I was being a little snarky about how sidewalks and bus stops are only useful if one wants to leave the neighborhood. My inner/past New Yorker sneaks out from time to time.
To clarify, though the tallest buildings are slated for the arterials, substantial zoning changes are also being proposed for the current single family streets (from 8th to 22nd and 77th to 95th.) I think we could reasonably assume that this area could eventually develop at the levels of what we currently see in Ballard (and maybe more because MHA changes raises density limits in low rise zones.) My initial statement about lacking infrastructure referenced sidewalks, formal drainage, community center, library and light rail plans...all of which exist in Ballard and most other Urban Villages, but not in Crown Hill.
Pro-MHA
How much larger can they go?
Contact your city council rep and the mayor to ask them to slow down. No need to rezone every single family neighborhood when growth is slowing faster here than any city in the U.S.
S parent
-CrownhillResident
If we don't upzone, however, that outcome you fear is precisely what will happen. In places like the Bay Area, where upzones haven't happened, the price of housing has skyrocketed to unaffordable levels. The new density we have recently built in Seattle is all that is keeping us from becoming as bad as the Bay Area. The only way out of this housing crisis is to upzone and build more housing. If we want that housing to be affordable then it's gotta be dense. If people want to live in a community of single-family homes, then the suburbs are close by.
Pro-MHS
The whole plan disproportionately affects certain neighborhoods. There is a whole swathe a few blocks from my house that is planned to go from 30' max height to 65'. Quite a change. The height increases step down from there - the next couple of blocks go up 25', then out from there 15'. Parking is already a problem, so I'm curious just how bad it will be with so many more people living there. Of course, the city council in their wisdom decided a few years ago that parking is not required if there is a bus stop within a certain distance, so most of the new housing units built in the last few years have less than one parking space per unit, and in some cases no parking at all. The sample apartments on the MHA page (not the link above, but if you look up the zoning types to see the details of what they mean) suggest things like 15 units with 5 parking spaces, or 51 units with 12 parking spaces. As if most new residents will just magically not own cars. There is definitely the notion that if they just make parking inconvenient enough, everyone sell their cars. I'd like to see the members of the City council haul their family groceries home on the bus a few times, and then maybe they will rethink that concept.
Mom of 4
JK
JK
While change may be indeed inevitable, the Seattle City Council is directing and concentrating those upzone changes in Urban Villages, without providing any mitigations for the inevitable impacts on transit, schools, parks, environmental quality, and utilities. The MHA plan works ONLY if UV residents give up and move out, thereby disrupting families, neighbors, and relationships with local institutions like schools and churches.
To add insult to injury, the City does not promise ANY increased affordable housing in the afflicted UVs. Developers can - and will - opt to pay in-lieu fees directly to the City, instead of building and managing affordable housing units on-site. The City promises only to use those fees to build affordable housing somewhere, sometime in the future; odds are it will not be in the (now more expensive) UVs.
MHA is a targeted displacement plan, with the City counting on increased churn to generate increased revenue. UV residents will suffer the brunt of the MHA plan, whether they stay or leave. And, lest you think you are safe because you live outside of the UVs, just remember that the City can expand the UV boundaries at any time, without public input or comment.
We should all write to the Mayor and City Council NOW and demand better planning, accountability, and equity.
Anti-MHA
Now it is zoned LR1, they want to upzone it to LR2&LR3.
( blocks of affordable homes have been removed, replaced with townhomes 3 to a lot, going for 780k)
Additionally, they propose moving the boundary of the urban village 4 blocks.
Since all this density has been added, traffic has gotten much worse.
No lights, or even marked crosswalks have been added.
We’ve been adding 15,000-17,000 to the population every year.
Shouldn’t we start to add infrastructure?
You are taking out your rage on me for some reason for suggesting to the Crown Hill resident that her property will be worth more, and nobody is going to force her to move. Pro-MHA also made some good points, you need to think big picture and not so one sided. Our un-affordable housing would be made even worse without density. Without density you also get sprawl and traffic is even worse, hard to imagine but true.
I am not stating there are not issues with the MHA plan. The city should be charging impact fees to developers to pay for schools and impacts. There also should be more money coming from the state. But I think your beef is elsewhere not with me. In addition, you are incorrect in some statements you made. The City cannot and will not expand boundaries at any time. Plans are developed and implemented over time. Ballard has developed to its current state with plans laid 15-20 years ago. Next year they are not just going to surprise you that your zoning has changed. Stop with the fear-mongering.
JK
Observer
Observer
Broadly speaking, there are three ways to stop growth:
1) Restrictive zoning to prevent construction of both residences and office space. Alas, restrictions on office space are unpopular with the moneyed class who make billion$ off of commercial development and always have their way in politics. Restrictions on residential construction are controversial, but the population seems to be leaning against. They would result in a nice but expensive city.
2) Anti-business measures like the head tax, which would drive away jobs and thereby drive away people. This is my personal favorite approach, and the politicians were willing to give it a try, but the voters had a tantrum earlier when it was floated.
3) so that leaves only one option: lower the quality of life to the point that people stop wanting to come here. The upzoning approach is squarely in this category. If CrownHillresident feels driven out, forced to leave -- that means it's working. That represents success of the policy, not failure. All day traffic jams, crowding, poop and needles, darkness and depression, rabbit hutch living quarters -- these are all Seattle's default measures to do what it must eventually do -- stop growing.
On a lighter note, there was some great news in the Times today. Killer amoebas in the tap water of Seattle! Perhaps that will thin the population or finally stop people from moving here.
When my dad was born, there were two billion people on earth. When I was born, there were three.
Now we're close to eight billion, on track to triple the earth's population in my lifetime.
They have to live somewhere. If we are going to continue to overpopulate, then urban density is a net positive. Suck it up.
Seattle can handle another million, easy!
: )
Sounds great.
BTW Seattle has about half the cops NYC has per capita.
Washington State used to have one of the biggest KKK chapters in the country. We have the Aryan Nation in the NW. We have racist skinheads, Portland has a huge issue with the Proud Boys...If you think hate crimes only happen in bigger cities you have another think coming.
Seattle has PLENTY of hate crime, maybe more than NYC per capita.
Seattle bias crimes
As to your second point, are you suggesting we need more officers? That NY needs fewer?
Weekly my neighbors has their homes & cars broken into.( or stolen)
We’ve had squatters across the street.
I’ve experienced mail/identity theft, multiple times.
It is really a nightmare.
I’ve had gang tags carved into my windshield, but a police officer never showed or contacted me.
( I waited two separate times for hours)
We’ve had our car also broken into, in our driveway.
But NYC is certainly safer than Chicago,
If you don’t mind a low bar.
LS
Seriously, Seattle Citizen, it's amusing and revealing how you note correctly the short arc of cities, and casually take this as an unqualified endorsement of growth triumphalism. The exact opposite conclusion could equally be drawn. New York has been up, and down, and back up in a short space of historical time. How can you assume the current arc is the last? The short arc of cities, combined with the old principle "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" could be taken as reason number one to fend off big changes stay small.
I realize that Amazon is expanding in New York, and nothing ever goes wrong without Amazon's permission, but the city's position is precarious in some ways. They have acute budget problems, and an unpayable overhang of pension debt, and an unseemly reliance on overseas criminal and oligarch money to prop up their real estate sector. They are beneficiaries of a huge subway system built under a very different regime of labor and environmental law, and that system couldn't be built today. It can barely be maintained today. Not to mention a lot of other aging infrastructure. The arc of New York could flip with surprising speed.
This whole issue, the short arc of cities, should prompt some curiosity about the system dynamic forces that drive the arcs. As Jet City mom hints, crime is the single most potent anti-quality of life growth limiter that cities can use. It's working well in Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, and elsewhere. Unfortunately it has a strong tendency to overshoot, and swing the city from growth to depopulation (see all of the above.) This being a school blog, it's worth noting that schools are also a powerful QOL growth driver or limiter. Strange coincidence that Seattle's high-tech sector started to mushroom and real estate prices started to go vertical right around the time that forced busing was cancelled and neighborhood school assignment was restored. Strange coincidence also about New York -- the city has long tolerated stark school segregation that enables the rich and knowledge worker classes to access good, functional schools amid a sea of educational chaos. Not to mention a very large private school population. Also, New York's most recent downward arc was driven partly by runaway crime, wilding in the streets, etc.; and the recent upward arc was driven partly by a crackdown on crime, zero tolerance, stop and frisk, etc. under Koch, Guiliani, Bratton, et al. The foundations of NYC's current prosperity are not 100% progressive, and Seahattan might not be either.
It's precious how Seattle progressives worry about carbon, and Orcas, and salmon, and want to tear down hydroelectric power, while simultaneously advocating upzoning and unlimited growth. Another million people will definitely show up in the Puget Sound region, even if not within the Seattle city limits. Where will their electricity come from? Where will their sewage go? Orcas schmorkas, its all a joke. But one thing for sure -- quality of life will go down, and keep going down, until some equilibrium is restored where no more people want to come than leave. As SeaCit hints with the world population angle -- in an age of globalism and open borders, Seattle will face stiff global competition in the race to the bottom with quality of life in search of equilibrium. This is not a choice, or necessarily a managed process. It must happen, simply because no system can grow forever.
LS
LS
Well you know they are also the first state (as far as I know) to pay tuition at any 4 year state university for those families who make under $125,000. That is a pretty bold move. I would also not agree with your black & white statement about NY metro area as there are plenty like my family who can point toward excellent public schools as helping them along the way. There was an average of 17-22 students in my high school classes and the schools were resource rich and well funded by local taxes and the state.
In some ways NY is also more progressive than cities on the West Coast. They have a much higher homeless and mentally ill population and but have had a "right to shelter law on the books since the 1970's. Many more services for mentally ill and other populations.
LS
Yep the prices are so "un-affordable" that the prices keep going up.
Think much
I believe that if the population is going to continue to grow that density is a net benefit. Perhaps you would rather spread the coming billions all over the countryside and let them commute in by teleportation or something, but I prefer building up rather than out.
I really don't know what you mean by "the short arc of cities."
Unless you mean "the short arc of humanity."
Rome wasn't built in a day and look, it's still there.
Ditto NY.
I'm just now finishing "The Shaper of Seattle," about R.H. Thompson, one of Seattle's first city engineers. He "gave" us a water system, power, sewers, the regrades (for better or for worse....) I've studied the guy for years, and others, such as Virgil Bogue's grand visions. I'm an amateur Northwest historian - my library one the topic, history and lit, is around 2500 books - and I don't see the city having a "short arc" - even as it just began 170 years ago. We'll be around for a loooong time, barring the catastrophe of any number of human missteps, none of which have much to do with cityhood, but rather with the human condition of growth, greed, and waste. The ocean will swallow the city before it kills itself and Seattle didn't create climate change all by itself....
But I believe there are some parallels here. MHA has ended up pitting neighborhoods against one another (those inside Urban Villages vs those outside) similar to how capacity issues with the District results in battles between communities.
And there is a connection with impact fees, in that the City knew it will be difficult to get developers (via their lobbyists and influence) to agree to pay them without a fight. When they could have been negotiating for impact fees, Mayor Murray struck the "grand bargain", exchanging upzones for MHA fees (that only go toward affordable housing, not necessarily correlating with the upzoned neighborhoods.) It's my opinion that impact fees (which could be used for schools and transportation) will be even harder to get now that developers are already paying MHA fees.
In the end, it's a lose-lose situation for our schools. Higher density, no mitigation.
Regarding upzoning to prevent urban sprawl. It's not one or the other. In New York, most every middle to upper class person I know who did not live in the suburbs, had a vacation cabin somewhere outside of the City. Ever hear of the Catskills? Poconos? They are some of the densest vacation spots I have ever visited. As new affluent residents choose townhouses and apartments in Seattle, they will also build vacation homes in the woods.
Here, we are slow on the uptake on transportation, but we also have our share of immigrants, immigrants who move up, then out. We have one good light rail line building out, and heavy rail commuter trains north and south, in addition to the ferries to Kitsap. As more people move here the transportation systems (hopefully) will build out to support them (we are famously limited as to our roads by pinched aspect of our landform.)
Not sure what you are getting at with the vacation cabin part of your comment - plenty of people here have them, as well. Look at Chelan. Or Leavenworth. Or, down the road from there, Twelveworth.
I'm to blame for being the youngest of five? Now I've heard it all. And yes, I have just two kids.
Ann S. said;
"In the end, it's a lose-lose situation for our schools. Higher density, no mitigation."
Yup. So what happens when, after all the new apartment buildings around RHS happen and light rail opens there as well, to who gets into RHS? This is a problem the City is allowing to happen and I again contend the City will need to do alot to help SPS.
- Wallflower
Good grief.
Fed Up
I'm aware that bigger cities have more congestion and lots of issues, I just don't see a lot of answers as to where else to put people.
Fed Up! Comrade! Your support will be rewarded!
According to Roger Valdez, MHA will worsen the housing crisis. Vulcan was the big winner, here.
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/the-mandatory-housing-affordability-program-will-worsen-seattles-housing-crisis/
I'm not expecting Amazon or other wealthy interests to experience increased taxes for education etc. The middle class has always payed the way and they will continue to do so, IMO.
With NYC spending $21K per student, those students should be getting a good education.
Don't look to New York for any answers. People pay enormous amounts of taxes and they need another $37 BILLION to fix the subways.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-subway-37-billion-plan-for-repair-unveiled-2018-5
- NP