What Are You Seeing at Your School?
Two great stories about public education and expectations for kids.
I had read this first story in the NY Times a couple of weeks ago and it's quite the divide. In one New Jersey district at an elite high school, high school parents are divided over how much rigor/pressure students should get. On one side, mostly Asian parents who want that push. On the other side, mostly white parents.
What IS the right amount of "push" by schools and parents? I think the example in New Jersey is fascinating because it seems all the parents want their children to be "high achievers" but the difference is how you get there. Is pushing sooner going to toughen kids up for the world today?
Your thoughts?
I had read this first story in the NY Times a couple of weeks ago and it's quite the divide. In one New Jersey district at an elite high school, high school parents are divided over how much rigor/pressure students should get. On one side, mostly Asian parents who want that push. On the other side, mostly white parents.
The issue of the stresses felt by students in elite school districts has gained attention in recent years as schools in places like Newton, Mass., and Palo Alto have reported clusters of suicides.
This fall, David Aderhold, the superintendent of a high-achieving school district near Princeton, N.J., sent parents an alarming 16-page letter.
The school district, he said, was facing a crisis. Its students were overburdened and stressed out, juggling too much work and too many demands.
What is make-up of the district?In the previous school year, 120 middle and high school students were recommended for mental health assessments; 40 were hospitalized. And on a survey administered by the district, students wrote things like, “I hate going to school,” and “Coming out of 12 years in this district, I have learned one thing: that a grade, a percentage or even a point is to be valued over anything else.”
The district has become increasingly popular with immigrant families from China, India and Korea. This year, 65 percent of its students are Asian-American, compared with 44 percent in 2007. Many of them are the first in their families born in the United States.They have had a growing influence on the district. Asian-American parents are enthusiastic supporters of the competitive instrumental music program. They have been huge supporters of the district’s advanced mathematics program, which once began in the fourth grade but will now start in the sixth. The change to the program, in which 90 percent of the participating students are Asian-American, is one of Dr. Aderhold’s reforms.
With many Asian-American children attending supplemental instructional programs, there is a perception among some white families that the elementary school curriculum is being sped up to accommodate them.What has the superintendent done?
They have been huge supporters of the district’s advanced mathematics program, which once began in the fourth grade but will now start in the sixth. The change to the program, in which 90 percent of the participating students are Asian-American, is one of Dr. Aderhold’s reforms.But at a school board meeting, it all came to a head:
Asian-American students have been avid participants in a state program that permits them to take summer classes off campus for high school credit, allowing them to maximize the number of honors and Advanced Placement classes they can take, another practice that Dr. Aderhold is limiting this school year.
But the division has become more obvious in recent months as Dr. Aderhold has made changes, including no-homework nights, an end to high school midterms and finals, and a “right to squeak” initiative that made it easier to participate in the music program.
Helen Yin, the mother of an eighth grader and a kindergartner, told the crowd that Dr. Aderhold was attempting to hold her and her children back. At one point, a visibly upset Ms. Yin, who moved from Chengdu, China, to pursue a master’s degree in chemistry, shouted to the room filled with parents, “Who can I trust?”The opinion page at the NY Times also saw this question come up via author/director/producer Vicki Abeles who directed and produced the documentaries, Race to Nowhere and Beyond Measure. Her piece is entitled, "Is the Drive for Success Making Our Children Sick?"
But even Dr. Slavin seemed unprepared for the results of testing he did in cooperation with Irvington High School in Fremont, Calif., a once-working-class city that is increasingly in Silicon Valley’s orbit. He had anonymously surveyed two-thirds of Irvington’s 2,100 students last spring, using two standard measures, the Center for Epidemiologic Studies Depression Scale and the State-Trait Anxiety Inventory. The results were stunning: 54 percent of students showed moderate to severe symptoms of depression. More alarming, 80 percent suffered moderate to severe symptoms of anxiety.
“This is so far beyond what you would typically see in an adolescent population,” he told the school’s faculty at a meeting just before the fall semester began. “It’s unprecedented.” Worse, those alarming figures were probably an underestimation; some students had missed the survey while taking Advanced Placement exams.In summary:
Yet instead of empowering them to thrive, this drive for success is eroding children’s health and undermining their potential. Modern education is actually making them sick.
Paradoxically, the pressure cooker is hurting, not helping, our kids’ prospects for success. Many college students struggle with critical thinking, a fact that hasn’t escaped their professors, only 14 percent of whom believe that their students are prepared for college work, according to a 2015 report. Just 29 percent of employers in the same study reported that graduates were equipped to succeed in today’s workplace. Both of those numbers have plummeted since 2004.How young?
But Irvington IS making changes by giving less homework during the week and none on the weekends. Students themselves are promoting healthy changes.At the other end of the age spectrum, doctors increasingly see children in early elementary school suffering from migraine headaches and ulcers. Many physicians see a clear connection to performance pressure.“I’m talking about 5-, 6-, 7-year-olds who are coming in with these conditions. We never used to see that,” says Lawrence Rosen, a New Jersey pediatrician who works with pediatric associations nationally. “I’m hearing this from my colleagues everywhere.”
And for the past two years, school counselors have met one on one with every student at registration time to guide them toward a manageable course load.I'm not sure with the about 400-1 number of students to counselors in most SPS high schools that this could be done.
What IS the right amount of "push" by schools and parents? I think the example in New Jersey is fascinating because it seems all the parents want their children to be "high achievers" but the difference is how you get there. Is pushing sooner going to toughen kids up for the world today?
Your thoughts?
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NoCharters
There's also a glass ceiling which savvy first gens are quite aware of. That's why the new arrivals push so hard. The mantra is: here, you have to work twice as hard, be twice as good, to get there and that's a fact. That's why medicine, science, engineering, CS is pushed so hard. In these fields, meritocracy will get in you in the door or so many believe.
There's a no nonsense attitude about all this. It's a methodical process. It's not about IQ, but how hard you work and apply yourself to learn. You do that and you will get ahead. What people see as unfair prep, others see as part of the hard work they must do to succeed in this new country.
I am a 1st gen, but have lived here for over 45 years and it's always interesting to hear and read the different conclusions people have on the same subject.
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Here is a different perspective on Asian immigrants: many were themselves hard-working top students with top scores, and that is how they got into top schools in the old country, which were stepping stones to American universities or the H1 visa. In many Asian countries, kids push to the limit in high school to get into the right university, and coast from there. University itself might not be so difficult, and the degree itself from the top-ranking university matters more than what you actually did in university. Parents naturally want kids to follow the same path that worked for them. Partly it's a matter of not understanding how the US is different from the old country -- that character and personal qualities matter more and formal credentials less; that American high school has traditionally been more of a social rite of passage and the heavy work takes place at university; that it's not smart to burn out too early.
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open ears
But they don't seem to want their kids to learn how to make their own judgments, because in order to do that, you have to be comfortable making mistakes.
BT
If you were a parent at this school, how would you advocate for your position? Not do all the homework? Do what they are doing in Irvington with the kids working for more breathing room?
It is probably better to have parents who care (think of those PTA dollars) but the principal must be torn between "harder, harder, harder" and "calm down."
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And this in addition to the emotional and psychological toll it takes just to get through high school these days.
(Many Asian and other cultures do indeed place a high emphasis on standardized testing and memorization, as evidenced in the Chinese and Korean "cram schools" many children attend after "regular" school. But ironically, in some places, people are beginning to realize that this emphasis within the curriculum is leading to a lack of the critical and original thinking that leads to future entrepreneurship, scientific breakthroughs, etc, and are beginning to de-emphasize standardized testing and rote memorization skills in favor of a "more Western" curriculum. While we go in the opposite direction.)
BOTH colleges AND high schools need to work together to find a solution in this country. One possible solution, already implemented in some schools, is to simply agree to put "a cap" on the number of AP classes kids are allowed to take. That way kids are allowed plenty of opportunities for academic challenge without going overboard.
Unless our colleges help lead the way by changing their admissions practices, though, it seems to me that kids, parents, and high schools will continue to do whatever they think will please them in order to get in. And that is (currently) "the best grades in the most challenging courses available to them," in addition to a full load of extracurriculars, clubs, athletics, volunteer, internship, and work experiences, "outstanding" artistic achievement, and on and on and ON. Which means a country full of depressed, grade-obsessed, stressed-out and time-deprived kids.
Forgive the rant-):
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BT
Amen. The psychological toll the pressure to be a perfect candidate for college admissions takes on children is overwhelming. I know a shocking number of teens who are medicated and receiving counseling for anxiety and/or depression - one of my own included. This is certainly in some part due to more awareness of mental health issues on the part of parents but is I believe mostly related to our expectations of them.
I just don't get the high/low expectations people have of different folks with different strokes (in this case, the immigrants). You know, you'll find all types-personalities, behaviors, beliefs, motivations, within what appears to be a homogeneous group, but it reality- is anything but homogeneous. Just because popular press reinforces this one view, doesn't mean that's all there is. For example, Chinese education system has huge disparity, just like here. There are good and bad qualities, just like here. Very complex to talk about, just like here. It's not a one note thing, just like here. It helps to actually speak with a teacher or two from there just to get an idea, and it's just one snapshot at that. Even talking to a "western" teacher who taught in China provides you only his/her experience, usually in big city, in a better school like JSIS with connection which is why westerners are there to begin with, not rural or poorer schools.
Sheesh, this isn't earth shattering if you just think about it. Just look within this district to see how complicated education is. Is it so surprising to understand a whole county might be too? But hey, if people who like critical thinking,but can't seem to stretch their brain beyond their own beliefs and can't see this paradox ( to put it kindly), that's on them.
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That's like finding out there are no good non-whites actors to qualify for the Oscars this year.
Is that really true? Or maybe there are plenty! But movies aren't made with them in mind. So lack of opportunity is one source. Then there's the who are the Oscar members who nominate and vote for this token epitome of American creativity and performance? Find out for yourselves and see who control the movie studio, the pipeline, and who are Oscar members. Don't be surprised if their makeup reflects why you see what you see and what you don't see. If you are a Martian or can't believe I might just be bias/racist, then sure I can see why you might think the Oscars is spot on.
Honestly, people shouldn't be so threatened by stereotypic tiger parents, look around you, they don't control the US. They are workers. If colleges and employers say in the press they want STEM grads, that's not because of stemy Asians or Russians, that's because they want to beat the competitors and make lots of money. It's political and polarization is used by politicians and the education industry to find easy answers and dollars (which benefit them) to complex problems.
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I would also disagree that you need a degree from a " prestigious" college to have a successful life, or to have impressive numbers to get into said college.
I'm going to call out the stereotypes. Maybe it makes people uncomfortable. But to those Asian kids who are being stereotyped as if they are just a bunch of drones, trained monkeys to take tests well, that's insulting. To imply they or their parents can't appreciate beauty or be creative and artistic as if they lack emotion and sensitivity, are party poopers, living sterile lives - it's all a convenient way to look down on a huge group of people. To set them apart. To ignore they are in reality composed of individuals and groups full of contradictions, hard to generalize beyond a geographic area of origin- even that I've gotten wrong. I have worked with Kenyans and S. Africans who are E. Asians by race and Mexicans whose grandparents came from Japan.
Many posters get upset and rightly so when they are tarred as being elitist and selfish for placing their kids in APP or spectrum. People don't like branding even if it appears a compliment. Parents clash over this, over school bell, over charters and everything else. People will clash over this too and shouldn't be afraid of it!
Maybe people don't see themselves as bias or racist because that's hard to do. In Seattle, it's a bad thing to be. I'm have biases and prejudices. I have to challenge my own assumptions all the time. I'm glad when others do it because I learn and it's a relief to know that's possible.
If readers here want critical thinking, then practice it.
In addition, to be a scientist or in technical field doesn't mean a person can't be creative or appreciate the humanities. I would argue the opposite. To commit to research or prove a theory requires thinking side ways, backward and upside down. There's creativity along with accepting plenty of failures and many times starting over. That's just the nature of learning and human curiosity.
If people think it wrong to want to get into the best program or recruited to a better sports program because that's against your idea of learning or a college education, fine. Don't fault a whole group just from reading 1 news article . You don't know their stories. And certainly don't make it an Asian thing or for sports, a black thing. I have good friends ( in all shades) who went to college because of sports. They weren't all star, recruited to no name 4 year colleges, played, got injured, transferred to another program, and eventually graduated with degrees. It was their means to get what they thought was important to them, a college education and a better life. I admire that.
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