Upcoming Work Session on Advanced Learning
The Board has scheduled a work session on Advanced Learning for an hour and a half on October 5 after the Management Oversight meeting for ELL and Distribution Services.
So what are the problems and how could the Board address them?
Problem 1: NO DEFINITION
Neither the policies nor the procedures offer any meaningful, enforceable definition of HCC, highly capable services, advanced learning, or Spectrum/ALO. A policy that requires the superintendent to write a procedure that provides a clear, objectively measurable, enforceable definition for each service and program is needed. What are these programs and services supposed to be? We can't even begin to discuss them without these definitions.
The current policy defines highly capable services this way:
"The variety of instructional programs or services for students identified as Highly Capable will include pathways to sites with adequate cohorts of Highly Capable students in order to provide peer learning and social/emotional opportunities for these students, teachers with experience and/or professional development on the academic and social/emotional needs of these students, appropriate curriculum, appropriately differentiated instruction, deeper learning opportunities, and accelerated pacing."
This definition includes a list of requirements, but the bulk of them are not objectively measurable or enforceable and therefore meaningless in a policy. They are nothing but puffery.
- Adequate cohorts - this has been defined as 250 in elementary and 270 in middle school. This definition works. It is objectively measurable and the authority is held and exercised in the central office.
- Teachers with relevant experience or training - this is completely undefined and unenforced. Principals assign whomever they like to HCC classrooms without regard to experience or training and the Executive Directors of Schools, who have the duty to supervise and enforce compliance, do nothing to require it. I'm not sure what they could do since there is no set standard for the minimum experience and/or professional development.
- Appropriate curriculum - Appropriate for whom? Where is this curriculum? More about that later. Who is supposed to write it? Doesn't this suggest that the general education curriculum is inappropriate? This is completely undefined and unmeasurable, and therefore unenforceable, and therefore absent. It doesn't set a clear expectation for the student or offer meaningful guidance for the teacher.
- Differentiated instruction - Differentiated how and how much? Is every lesson supposed to be different - and different from what? This is completely undefined and unmeasurable, and therefore unenforceable, and therefore absent. It doesn't set a clear expectation for the student or offer meaningful guidance for the teacher.
- Deeper learning opportunities - What are these? Are they these six deeper learning competencies: mastery of core content, critical thinking skills, ability to work collaboratively, effective communication skills, ability to learn how to learn, and academic mindsets? Are they something else specific? Does it just mean a generally greater depth of understanding of the same content and concepts taught in the grade level Standards? This is completely undefined and unmeasurable, and therefore unenforceable, and therefore absent. It doesn't set a clear expectation for the student or offer meaningful guidance for the teacher.
- Accelerated pacing - How accelerated? Does this mean going through the curriculum faster, like compacted curriculum, or moving on to the next year's curriculum like acceleration? This is completely undefined and unmeasurable, and therefore unenforceable, and therefore absent. It doesn't set a clear expectation for the student or offer meaningful guidance for the teacher.
If a student's family cannot complain effectively to a principal when their child's highly capable service does not include one of these elements, then there's no point in putting that requirement into the policy. Policies are written to be followed and, if not followed, enforced. This policy can neither be followed nor enforced.
As far as Spectrum/ALO goes, the policy makes these requirements:
"Advanced Learning instructional programs will include differentiation, content acceleration, and deeper learning opportunities."These are all part of the description for highly capable and suffer from all of the same problems as they did in that context. What's interesting, to me, is that advanced learning programs and services don't require adequate cohorts, experienced or trained teachers, or an appropriate curriculum.
Maybe the fault doesn't lie with the Board and the policy. The policy also says:
"The Superintendent is authorized to develop procedures consistent with state guidelines regarding referral, evaluation, and identification of Highly Capable students in order to implement this policy. The procedures will describe the programs and services available to students identified as Highly Capable as well as to those identified as Advanced Learners."But, if you read the Superintendent's Procedure and you look for the description of the programs and services, you'll find a description only for HCC and nothing else. Maybe the Board only needs to direct the Superintendent to provide the specifics in his procedure.
Problem 2: NO CURRICULUM
You may be surprised, but the Board has no policy governing curriculum or even requiring curricula. Not just for highly capable students or advanced learners; there isn't a curriculum policy for any students. A policy that requires curricula would be extremely helpful. A curriculum is a necessary and critical tool for the instruction of every student. It's funny, because people in the District talk about curriculum all the time, but there isn't, apparently, any curriculum for them to talk about. Honestly, I'm not even really sure what they mean when they say "curriculum" because they are constantly re-defining the word. The District would do well to set a glossary and provide a static definition for all of the education jargon they use. Then we would have a set definition for "curriculum" and we would know what the word means when it appears in a policy or procedure.
Here's something funny. The Superintendent's Procedure, in the program design section, makes reference to "the curriculum", but it never says what the curriculum is. A written, taught, and tested curriculum for highly capable students (as promised in 2009) and for advanced learners would go a long way towards providing the definition that highly capable services and advanced learning so desperately needs (as described above). It would also take a lot of pressure off the cohort. People would be less focused on WHO is taught in the classroom when they are more confident about WHAT is taught in the classroom.
For general education students there is a set of Standards, set by the State for each grade level and core discipline, which sets clear and enforceable expectations for students, families, and teachers. It forms, in essence, the curriculum. If a Standard isn't taught, the student or the family has a legitimate basis for complaint and the teacher and school can be held accountable for failing to teach that Standard. What is analogous to that in the highly capable and advanced learning programs and services? Nothing. No expectations are set for students, families or teachers. Katie May, the principal at Thurgood Marshall, told the Board that she could easily blend general education and HCC students at her school for social studies because they are taught the same material and taught to the same Standards - despite the policy requirement that the HCC students get something different. Principal Kay made this statement without fear of rebuke, and she received none.
Some may assert that the HCC class is, in fact, taught social studies differently or to some different Standards. If that's the case, then produce the Standards and explain why Ms May didn't know about them.
Currently, the advanced learning programs do not offer much other than grade-skipping (if even that), which is not a curriculum designed for highly capable students or advanced learners. Moreover, the grade-skipping is only for math in grades 1-5 for HCC students and some Spectrum/ALO students and for science in grades 6-8 for HCC students. That's it. Everything else is taught at grade level except middle school math placement, which is made without regard to eligibility for highly capable or advanced learning services.
Problem 3: NO ASSURANCES/COMPLIANCE/ACCOUNTABILITY
The advanced learning community doesn't believe that their children are getting advanced instruction in Spectrum/ALO programs, and why should they? Other than "Walk to Math" at a few elementary schools, there is no evidence of advanced instruction in Spectrum/ALO programs, Spectrum/ALO lacks any meaningful definition, Spectrum/ALO is different in every school, there is no curriculum or set of academic expectations for advanced learners, and the Advanced Learning students are in the general education classroom getting the same instruction as all of the other children in that classroom. The community doesn't believe that their children are getting advanced instruction and in a lot of cases they are right. Schools routinely fail/refuse to provide advanced learning services. That's a big problem.
It has become a problem because there are no assurances of advanced learning services and no consequences or accountability for schools that refuse to provide them. They aren't even at risk of losing the Spectrum/ALO designation. The bulk of Spectrum/ALO schools cannot describe their program - and do not describe their program either on their web site, on the District web site, or in their CSIP. An enforceable policy that offers some accountability or consequences for schools that fail to offer advanced learning is badly needed.
The Board cannot assess for compliance or apply the accountability themselves. Nor can the Board require that of anyone but the Superintendent. They can, however, use the policy to direct him to describe his plan to assess program quality. I'm not sure they can ask for an accountability plan in the procedure, but they can probably direct him to take some sort of action if program quality wanes. He, in turn, will delegate the work to either the Advanced Learning Department or the Executive Directors of Schools. Currently, neither of them assesses program quality - or even the presence of advanced instruction - nor do they provide any accountability. They do not direct schools to address non-compliance with policy or procedure.
Since advanced learning services are now a required element in Continuous School Improvement Plans (CSIPs), and since the Board is interested in making the CSIP an accountability tool instead of a meaningless bureaucratic requirement, perhaps the compliance element for this belongs in the policy that addresses CSIPs rather than the Advanced Learning policy.
I find it odd that the District headquarters staff has so much energy and enthusiasm for addressing non-compliance with field trip procedures and does it with such ruthless effectiveness, yet lacks any similar interest or effectiveness when it comes to policing more important issues like instructional requirements.
Problem 4: UNCLEAR AUTHORITY LIMITS
The principals at McClure and Washington and all designated elementary schools have dissolved their Spectrum programs. This change does not appear to be within their authority since the Student Assignment Plan and Superintendent procedure calls for a Spectrum program at every comprehensive middle school and at specific elementary sites. These schools claim that they still offer Spectrum but there is no evidence to support their claims.
Despite the apparent violations of policy and procedure, there doesn't appear to be anyone at the District level with the authority to direct the schools to restore the programs. In fact, the District continues to designate the schools as Spectrum sites even after the programs were dissolved. The creation, modification, or elimination of Spectrum/ALO programs is governed by the program placement policy, which delegates the siting of Spectrum to the superintendent and ALO to the schools. But the schools usurped that authority from the superintendent when they decided to convert their Spectrum programs to ALOs. The central office was complicit in the dissolution of Spectrum by constraining the enrollment for the programs to numbers far below the demand and below the capacity necessary to sustain self-contained classes. It's easy for a school to say they can't do self-contained Spectrum when they don't have enough Spectrum students to form self-contained classes. Of course, the only reason there aren't enough students is because the enrollment office capped the Spectrum enrollment at twelve students per grade - even if there are three times that many who want to enroll.
The authority of the Advanced Learning Department and the central administration as a whole, around the location, size, and nature of an ALO is nil. There is no one in the JSCEE with the authority to direct a school to comply with the policies and procedures that govern advanced learning programs. The District needs a policy that makes clear which elements of highly capable services and advanced learning are governed by the District and which are site-based decisions. Of those, the only one that needs to be set at the District level is the academic expectations and the superintendent's procedure is the appropriate place for that. Just as important as setting the academic expectations, someone at the District level needs the authority to enforce those academic expectations. The Executive Directors of Schools have not demonstrated any ability to assess schools' efforts along these lines or to exercise authority over schools and would therefore be a risky choice for this work, but the assignment of the responsibility needs to be spelled out in the Superintendent's procedure as well. Providing curricula, definition, and assurances would all work to clarify the areas of authority and responsibility for the District over the schools.
Problem 5: MISUNDERSTANDING OF SERVICES
There is a perception that highly capable and advanced learning services and programs are a prize rather than an accommodation to provide special needs students with an appropriate academic opportunity. The popular erroneous perception that HCC or Spectrum/ALO are something "more" or "better" provided exclusively for an elite must be aggressively confronted and corrected.
This line of thought is misguided, but it only makes trouble when people use it as a rationale to dismantle the programs, discontinue the services, and reduce the academic rigor for students. That only takes service away without adding any, which is not a positive change. When a school dissolves the class, they typically claim that they will continue to provide the services through differentiated instruction or some other magical process. What they never do, however, is assess the impact of the change to confirm that they haven't reduced the rigor.
If people think that the highly capable students or advanced learners are not that special and that there are a lot of other students who could be successful with the advanced curriculum, then add those other students to the class. And assess to confirm that the class is still taught to the same Standards as before.
If people think that the advanced curriculum is something wonderful that is should be made available to all students, then they can simply step up the rigor in all classes to match it. No one is stopping them. Problem solved. That's what Garfield wants to do with their Honors for All Humanities. Their effort is credible because they have provided a clear set of academic expectations. There have been a few schools that, over the years, have claimed that they teach all of their classes to the Spectrum Standards. Those claims have been less credible because there are no such Standards.
If there were a curriculum and some accountability to assure that the advanced curriculum were taught, then there wouldn't be any drama over who is in the classroom or how the curriculum is delivered. This is a problem that will go away when the other problems are properly addressed.
Problem 6: DISPROPORTIONATE RACIAL / SES REPRESENTATION
Students living in poverty and students in some racial groups are under-represented in HCC and Spectrum/ALO. This is not a problem specific to Seattle or to the advanced learning programs, but reflective of the broader academic gaps in education across the District and the nation. There are no easy solutions to these deeply ingrained and longstanding disparities.
The Advanced Learning Department makes some outreach efforts, but has not been able to make much difference in the numbers. The nomination and eligibility process presents bureaucratic barriers, but, even before the students reach that barrier, the District has not been effective in identifying talented FRL, Latino, or African-American students to bring to nomination.
This problem is not in these programs and the solution will not be found in these programs. The solution to this problem is best delegated to broader efforts to address disproportionate outcomes in education. Quick fixes, like super-local norming or extreme adjustments in eligibility criteria by race or SES, would create unbearable inequities and unintended consequences which would not only pose greater problems than we have now, but would alter the intent of the program away from serving a set of students with special needs.
Until those broader problems are addressed and resolved, it is counterproductive for Board Directors and others to refer to the programs with contempt or as "unfair". The fault does not lie in the programs, the teachers, the community, or the students. They don't deserve your contempt. We need to stay focused on students and their needs and not allow the focus to shift away from them.
The Board needs to act by revising policies to create definition, assurance, and accountability in advanced learning. This can has been kicked down the road for nearly fifteen years. Previous Boards have shied away from addressing it. As a result the situation has suffered not so much from mismanagement as from a lack of management. I am optimistic that this Board will finally address these problems directly and resolve them.
The Board needs to act by revising policies to create definition, assurance, and accountability in advanced learning. This can has been kicked down the road for nearly fifteen years. Previous Boards have shied away from addressing it. As a result the situation has suffered not so much from mismanagement as from a lack of management. I am optimistic that this Board will finally address these problems directly and resolve them.
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BattenDownTheHatches
The implementation timeline starts on page 7. LOTS of interesting reading throughout the entire document. Just thought I would pass it along.
http://www.seattleschools.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_543/File/Migration/General/ALTF2AllIndivRecCombined5.15.14.pdf?sessionid=387f1c9b56ba0467eec5adaf9a4e1c92
Charlie is right on the money about the idea being that the cohort is somehow "better". The problem isn't
limited to opponents of the cohort, however. Parents, believing it's better, scramble to get in, with multiple private tests and coaching. There was a psychologist trolling for customers on the discusapp blog offering tests, coaching and counseling. The district needs to make it clear that it's not a golden ticket. it's survival for a lot of kids.
3 hcc
ALTF2
Hopeful
Whitesail
Agreed they do excellent work, but the numbers aren't that impressive.
dd
This is really a top down problem. We have all worked in companies where our boss is gauged on one metric only to get a new boss graded on another metric... which means your whole focus changes. MT is the boss. In fact he now has a fall guy provided by the sup to take fire as he is the consummate middle manger and would hate to have him hit the buzz saw of his 9 years of undermining the program as he does a great job at dividing folks.
- New AL office has said on more than one occasion less than HC is not their focus. That is neighborhood schools affair.
- AL office has no real "AL" focus since BV left; who probably retired because of the obvious internal fight that he waged... and because he knew they would have scrapped the whole AL department if not for the legislature doing the right thing... but now it's only for the HC kids.
- There is really no there, there. Hamilton was able to chip away at AP world history to maintain their language acceleration. So WMS students needed to repeat topics. There is no depth or acceleration to repeating the same material with kids who have never had it.
- Now we have primary school SS and Honors 9th grade LA in the south in order to reduce SEGREGATION. If it was segregation it should be as evident in the north as the south... Not so much though. And it would be systemic. And it wouldn't include accommodations for ELL, SES and 2e which it does. No one test gets you in and the folks opening the door are trying everything to get those groups in. EVERYTHING as that is what their new boss wants even if it doesn't mean that those who need it get the services they need.
Old plan: 2+ grade levels above, accelerated in breadth and pace and cohort who could add enrichment to the learning environment. Which was similar to the gen ed students minus the acceleration. New plan: not so much- see how much we can degrade whatever is left. Oh and accuse those involved of being racist even though none of the data suggest the program has any racial bias.
Old Dawg
If you are not experiencing these problems with the program, congratulations! I'm happy for you. But please don't presume that the programs or services work similarly everywhere. In fact, that's the core of the problem - there is no central management or oversight that assures families and students of a minimum standard of service across the district.
If you see other problems tell us about them and suggest a solution that the Board can implement. In short, what change in policy is needed to address the problem? Please bear in mind that the Board must keep their work at the policy level. They can tell the superintendent what his job is, but they can't tell him how to do it.
If you think the solution to one or more of these problems is in different revisions or in revisions to different policies than the ones I suggest, then please suggest better changes or better policies to change.
All of these types of comments would move the discussion forward and would contribute towards solutions.
So the question is, are the Standards the same for HCC, AL and GE, or are they different--or does it depend on the grade level? If they are different, what are they for each program/service (and grade)? It shouldn't be a hard question to answer, but it is. Maybe that could be cleared up in the policy (e.g., "The HCC curriculum is focused on meeting standards two grade levels ahead" or "HCC uses the GE curriculum and grade-level standards but provides supplementary curricular materials that provide for more in-depth learning"). It's a pretty fundamental issue and needs some clarity. Then again, policy doesn't matter if it's not enforced.
HF
-MB
open ears
NW Mom
In addition, I'd like to see the new policy also address HC students who are extreme outliers--those whose needs can't be met within the scope of the current services, which are geared toward the "average" HC student. Take the hypothetical HC student working 3-5 years ahead in most areas. They are NOT likely to be served well (or at all, really) by a gen ed curriculum that "goes a little deeper," nor are they likely to be well served by a program that has a ceiling of two years ahead. They clearly need something else, and the district SHOULD be able to provide something that's at least in the ballpark of what they need.
The policy doesn't need to guarantee a specific program or curriculum or delivery model, but could simply require that an effort be made to accommodate the unique needs of these kids. There aren't a lot of them so it wouldn't be that much of a burden, and these kids are just as entitled to a reasonably appropriate education as anyone else. The Board could include something along the lines of "For HC-qualified students whose academic needs cannot be met by their neighborhood school or the HC cohort, the district will work with the student and family to determine and implement an appropriate educational plan." Then the Superintendent's procedures would need to address the process for requesting such an accommodation, including the criteria for determining when the school or HCC can't meet the student's needs, and the types of alternative approaches that can be arranged if needed (e.g., supervision and support for on-campus independent study, access to approved online courses, mentorship, etc.).
HIMSmom
Sure would be nice if there were standards describing the HCC program and curriculum in middle school as another split is about to happen.
Jane
Assuming - and there's a lot of benefit of the doubt in the assumption - that "going deeper" meets the "deeper learning opportunities" element of the policy requirement, we are still without the appropriate curriculum, appropriately differentiated instruction, and the accelerated pacing. I suppose the District could make the argument that the grade level curriculum IS appropriate for advanced learners, that the differentiation comes in the instructional strategies rather than the content, and that the pace is accelerated to make time for the deeper stuff. However, I would find that argument grossly inadequate.
When you look at the grade level Standards for ELA you'll see that for the 7th grade the Standards are things like:
"RI 7.1: Cite several pieces of textual evidence to support analysis of what the text says explicitly as well as inferences drawn from the text."
"RI7.2: Determine two or more central ideas in a text and analyze their development over the course of the text; provide an objective summary of the text."
"RI7.10: By the end of the year, read and comprehend literary nonfiction in the grades 6–8 text complexity band proficiently, with scaffolding as needed at the high end of the range."
"7 Conduct short research projects to answer a question, drawing on several sources and generating additional related, focused questions for further research and investigation."
These are not things a student can "go deeper" with very much. More than that, these academic expectations, even if done exceptionally well, are too simple for HCC 7th graders or Spectrum/ALO 7th graders.
You wouldn't expect a 3rd grader to get anything from the 1st grade curriculum even if you encouraged them to "go deeper", would you?
And how, exactly, will they show that they are teaching "deeper" and that the students are learning "deeper"?
What guidance do the teachers get, what are the expectations for the students, and what expectations are set for the families?
"Grade level, but deeper" sounds like fluff to me. If it isn't fluff, then someone is going to have to prove it isn't fluff.
For example, RL1 says this:
6th grade: Cite textual evidence to support analysis of what the text says explicitly as well as inferences drawn from the text.
7th grade: Cite several pieces of textual evidence to support analysis of what the text says explicitly as well as inferences drawn from the text.
8th grade: Cite the textual evidence that most strongly supports an analysis of what the text says explicitly as well as inferences drawn from the text.
How exactly is an HC 6th grader supposed to go deeper into the 6th grade standard for providing evidence without moving onto the 7th and 8th grade standards, which involve providing more and better evidence? The standards themselves seem to have been developed such that "going deeper" means moving to the next year!
HIMSmom
HIMSmom
-SPSParent
"7 Conduct short research projects to answer a question, drawing on several sources and generating additional related, focused questions for further research and investigation."
My kid was doing that in 4th grade.
bored
The board could - at a minimum - create a policy that reiterates SPS's commitment to the state's standard of basic education for academically talented students, and in that policy, require that district staff detail (maybe even with actual data!) that all HCC programs are meeting the definition of a basic education.
-Barebones Basic
Someone was TC was there and shared that there was no plan for playground space and that the transportation study did not plan for a 1,000 student campus.
Several folks on the committee questioned why there simply could not be portables placed at Cascadia and there was no answer.
- capacity wonk
Cascadia parent
Let's pretend that teachers have that time. You are now talking about cutting down the amount of time that the kids receive any direct teaching to one-third. If you really are doing it, you can't just throw some work at kids. You actually have to take the time to teach them. To me it just looks like everyone gets less...a lot less. Unless of course, you leave the high ones alone, teach to the middle, and give extra help to the ones behind. :(
teacher
People have speculated a small pre-k program and maybe after school programming at Decatur, but to throw a 250-300+ Student HCC school there is going to be upsetting for a variety of stakeholders, including the surrounding neighbors.
Decatur doesn't seem scalable or sustainable. It makes little sense, unless it is a quick fix bandaid solution, in which case they might as well use portables until they identify more viable options or shrink the program.
I only say "shrink the program" because having 800+ students at WP is also not a great option. The lunchroom, playground and other shared space areas are compromised when the school has more students than planned. Obviously, giving more students access to appropriately challenging coursework is ideal, so finding space that will work for more than three years is smart planning, or get delivery fixed at the neighborhood school level.
Total Chaos
Looking Around
Cascadia has been unsustainably big for 3 or 4 years now. If it was just for a year, I'd support portables. But it's not. It's growing every year. It needs to split. Decatur doesn't have a lot of room for growth but it is 275 seats sitting empty now, and these are desperate times.
Cascadia parent
In the end, the Board decides HCC siting. They shouldn't, but they do.
Back when the policy delegated all program placement to the superintendent, Board directors Michael DeBell and Harium Martin-Morris, the two who went on the most about the Board not trespassing on the superintendent's authority, wrote a Board motion to trespass on the superintendent's authority and determine the APP sites. If they hadn't, middle school APP would have been placed at Eckstein instead of JAMS because, in accordance with the Board policy, Eckstein is closer to where the students live. DeBell and Martin-Morris didn't want APP at Eckstein, so they took back the authority to place the program. From that time forward, the Board retains the authority to site HCC through the Student Assignment Plan.
So the District staff can say whatever they want, the siting of HCC is controlled by the Student Assignment Plan and, therefore, is a Board decision.
The District was all set to close Pinehurst, formerly AS-1. The school's enrollment was extremely low (constant threat of closure certainly didn't help enrollment) and the District staff were finally determined to close it. But the school had a friend in Sharon Peaslee and she moved heaven and earth to save it. In the middle of the intense capacity crisis that we're still experiencing, she married the Pinehurst supporters with the Native American program supporters and jammed them into the new middle school building at the Wilson-Pacific site - where there wasn't really room for them. It was a weird, illogical move to save a low enrollment school that takes away desperately needed middle school space in the north-end, but she forced it through. And that's how we got Licton Springs K-8 inside the Robert Eaglestaff building. It's a purely political creation and owes its very existence to the strenuous efforts of one Board director.
I wish we could get the buildings back that were sold off after the district budget debacle. Someone mentioned the Sicley (sp?) buildings near Roosevelt. That space would be helpful for our high school crisis. What about U Heights Community Center?
Total Chaos
Cascadia parent's assert about TC placement is a great example of a solution based urban legend rather than any basic facts.
Splitting HCC CAUSES more growth, rather than cause any alleviation in the crowding. Historically, the hot spots for APP when it was at lowell and washington was ... in the immediate vicinity of lowell and washington. As you went to the edges of the district enrollment diminished drastically as families needed to decide if the cohort was worth a bus ride or an hour or more every day.
HCC has grown significantly after every split. Subsequent program growth in the immediate area of the new placement has been dramatic. Placing HCC in NE Seattle would most likely cause a LOG RHYTHMIC increase in enrollment rather than cause any relief in crowding.
The growth in HCC that is NOT in the immediate vicinity of the new placement has been ... shockingly ... in the areas that are most dramatically over-crowded. The two parts of town that have the most significant capacity problems - the top of Queen Anne and the Bryant-Wedgwood-View Ridge area are the ONLY hot spots that are not directly on top of a program placement.
If you look at the facts, HCC placement is the ONLY thing holding together enrollment in the areas where there are the least number of physical buildings. Placing HCC in those areas is akin to pouring gasoline on top of a fire.
The last area of growth in HCC is purely demographics. The vast majority of the overall growth in the district directly matches the growth in HCC. In other words, the parts of town that are growing the most overall are also the parts of town that are sending the most students to HCC.
When the north-end got a middle school APP site, the enrollment exploded. That's a big part of why HIMS is so over-crowded, the District didn't know that a lot of APP-eligible middle school students who wouldn't enroll at Washington, would enroll at Hamilton.
When North-end elementary APP was moved to the north-end, the enrollment exploded. The travel time to Lowell was a big deterrent that kept north-end families from enrolling their children there. The shorter travel time to Lincoln removed that barrier.
I used to work in Ballard when my kids were at Lowell and Washington. It was extraordinarily difficult to get to their schools from work. Ask anyone how to get to Capitol Hill from Ballard. The answer is: you don't.
The idea that a few portables at brand new building with extensive core facilities is a problem is well .. laughable to put it kindly. Take a look at some of the portable villages that we have that are attached to tiny buildings. Schmitz Park had more portables than building. Viewlands has 11 portables and Sanpoint has 7 attached to a tiny building with inadequate core facilities. Plus multiple schools have lunchrooms and gyms made out of portables.
A brand new building with extensive core facilities is the best location for a handful of portables, because the core facilities can more easily handle the extra students. To be blunt, there are enough bathrooms in the new building. Decatur was built as K-2 and has only ONE adult sized toilet per gender. It is a building that was built for little kids and not a building built for a program that has no K and is very 5th grade heavy.
There are NOT 275 seats at Decatur just sitting empty right now. 275 seats is very aggressive capacity estimate for that building and we all know how reliable capacity estimates have been. 400 seats at Cedar Park ... but wait we can barely fit the actual 300 kids from OH in there at the moment ... hmmmm
And all of that is before you examine the simple fact that the campus was not designed for two schools. If you place two full elementary schools on the same campus there will be a dramatic need to coordinate all of the basic logistics - bell times, playground usage, etc. None of that was even done.
Plus the optics of ... why do those students get bathrooms and a new building as we get this leftovers.
To be blunt if the choice is between a portable at beautiful new building or another split into a building that was declared structurally unsound almost 20 years ago ...
If I was a HCC parent, I would be fighting a TC placement tooth and nail. IMHO, there NO UPSIDE in this placement. It creates far more problems than it solves. It will make the sharing at other sites look easy.
This placement is also purely political and will create more problems than it solves.
AP
I had been averse to the idea of Cedar Park because it is inflexible, but maybe Cedar Park, if not the Decatur building, though it seems like that train has already left the station. And I have not seen the actual campus- I was led to believe it would be inappropriate for a population that changes size and is pyramid shaped (mostly upper grades). I really do not care about the state of the building, and imagine if asked to choose, most parents would choose a workably sized program over new floor tiles.
-sleeper
-Maria
-found this
-old dawg
@ Sleeper, the art of project management is "Does this solution X solve your problem?" Liking or not liking the placement of HCC at Decatur is not the issue. The issue is that placing HCC at Decatur does not solve any of the problems your identified and in fact, it creates more problems.
The "problems" that you are identifying are systemic issues that are happening at every single building site in the north end.
It's impossible to move the number of young children from one place to another, when your building is operating at 150 or 200 % of its original designed capacity. Many schools are struggling to get little kids to the bathroom. I am not exaggerating. They have had to create bathroom time schedules because when you have 600 kids and 10 toilets it is a real problem.
You don't have a district-wide "Lunch and Recess Matters" Advocacy group, because lunch and recess are working at most schools. Lunch and recess is a problem everywhere and moving to TC will make recess much worse because you now need to share a campus with another school and have 1000 kids competing for the same resources.
Assemblies? Most elementary schools have already migrated to having anything that really matters in the auditorium of the local middle schools because all school assemblies are just a thing of the past when you are running at the capacity this district is running. The middle and high schools have the same problem. Many don't have any space for an all-school assembly.
Field trips? Don't even go there. That is another huge system issue. Some may be easier with a split and others harder because now you don't have the minimum numbers.
The WSS - That is a huge problem because the WSS was not designed for the reality of our current schools. Middle and high schools are also suffering because they are so far above where the WSS tops out. And going to under 300 puts you in worse shape because you are then not large enough to generate even the minimal staffing.
So the issues that you have identified either get WORSE by moving to TC or have no change whatsoever.
AP
Total Chaos
Oppressors? How silly and deflective to accuse someone of blaming children. It's a big system, The Combine, Chief Bromdem called it. It oppresses all of us, even the HCC kids.
cuckoo
Total Chaos
-sleeper
-sleeper
Last year, it was a tie between Schmitz Park and Lincoln. As SP has moved into their new building, Lincoln is my opinion the clear loser in the capacity wars for the elementary category. HIMS in the middle school category is a close second.
The issue I am attempting to highlight is that comparing the capacity issue at Lincoln with the potential future capacity problems of not-yet-opened Cascadia is fallacious argument.
Lincoln is a poorly cobbled together interim building where 850 elementary students need to share extremely limited and poorly engineered core facilities with a K8 (Licton Springs) To make the situation worse, because of some very interesting budget adjustments, HCC at Lincoln is operating with the lowest WSS ratios of any school in the entire district. Not only is the WSS NOT engineered appropriately for 850 students, HCC at Lincoln receives LESS than the minimum in the WSS.
By contrast, Cascadia is new building engineered for this age group with significant core facilities. AND no requirement to share with another community.
Yes, the sheer size is a problem. However Decatur does not solve that problem. Day 1 the Decatur campus will recreate the sharing problems of over 850 students on one campus that was not designed to support that many students. AND the WSS will ensure that there is inadequate staffing for these students.
So the students that get to keep Cascadia may come out ahead. However, the ones that need to go to Decatur will go from the frying pan to the fire. IMHO, that is not a solution.
-North-end Mom
Capacity planning (Flip) turns a blind eye on the experience the students will have once they arrive at the school--not his problem. The silos between capacity planning, enrollment and C&I ARE the problem.
Total Chaos
* The bulk of HCC will go to a brand new building.
* The TC students are in a brand new building.
* This splinter group are placed into an ancient building, with a horrible building condition score, designed for a K2 with inadequate plumbing and portables from the 1950 that are mold ridden.
This HCC cohort will be split from this classmates who are getting a nice upgrade and then be housed directly adjacent to neighbors, sport teammates, and other friends who are also in a brand new building.
All the while needing to manage a 1,000 student campus. How is this a solution????
It is one thing to help students who are failing because their brains work very differently from typical students. It is another thing to help students who are succeeding, scoring high on achievement tests, and are able to benefit from accelerated instruction - this is mostly what HCC tries to do. Maybe we want to do both of these things and others as well. But we will never be able to claim success if we can't even say what we are trying to do.
Irene
HP
http://reportcard.ospi.k12.wa.us/summary.aspx?groupLevel=District&schoolId=1133&reportLevel=School&year=2015-16&yrs=2015-16
I know a lot of HCC parents who would love to stay at their neighborhood school if there were a restoration of real advanced learning options there.
Old Geoduck
I do particularly agree that until the district clearly defines the Highly Capable program, there will be problems, both in capacity and execution. I also agree with Old Geoduck, that if the district committed to having HC at all schools - a reality, not on page - many parents would be more than happy to stay at their neighborhood school.
I think in this case the district is attempting to be slightly proactive. If you believe the growth projection, there is not enough space for portables (6) on the Wilson Pacific site to hold Cascadia. It makes sense in that case to produce a plan that will work longer. It also keeps the Decatur building seats in use for elementary rather than pre-k students (which I suspect plays a part in the thinking).
Its debatable which played more of part in the growth of Cascadia in the first place: the overall North Seattle population growth, the more convenient location, decline of alternatives like Spectrum. But even if you believe location was the driving force, the difference in accessibility for Wilson Pacific vs Decatur is much less dramatic than that between Lowell and Lincoln and Washington Middle School and Hamilton. And I do think the combination of a close by middle school/elementary combination amplified any such effect. So its unlikely to affect enrollment nearly as much this time around having a building open 3 miles to the east. At the end of the day we do not have an unlimited supply of potential students that qualify. And as is often stated, "You can only solve capacity problems with more capacity". Throwing 275 seats at the issue is better than say 150 in the potential portables.
AS
The number of students who can get into the program is limited, sure, but if the district lowers the standards for admittance further, especially to try to rectify the poor representation of black and Latino children, who knows how big the program will become.
The program is starting to feed on its own success and with more sites, more parents will try to get their children in.
Don't you think something drastic is going to happen when a MS service area has 20% of its 5th or 6th graders in HCC? We might hit that percentage for some grades this year. We will see when the October numbers come out.
Wary
The tagline about you can only solve a capacity problem with more capacity is mine. So naturally I agree with my own statement.
However, there is a nuance about this statement that you are missing. You can only solve a capacity problem with ACTUAL capacity, not hypothetical capacity. Much of the conversation over the last 13 years of building closures and openings has been about theoretical capacity and politics rather than the hard cold facts. IMHO, the 275 at Decatur is hypothetical capacity and I have no expectation that 275 seats will be able to pushed into service without spending some serious money.
This problem is most clearly seen at Cedar Park. The capacity at Cedar Park was declared to be 400 However, the 300 students from OH don't fit in the building. Those pesky facts messed up that nice theory and students get hurt in the process.
And while many people do debate quite vigorously about the growth in HCC, that debate is primarily political rather than numerical. The numbers paint a very clear picture. But only if you know the history of those numbers and most of that information is no longer on the district website but is well know by all the people who lived through the other side this conversation when the politics was all about closing schools.
The district has grown by approximately 10,000 students in 10 years. During that same time the FRL rate has dropped from the mid 40% to 36% It is simple fact that the HCC population is disproportionately drawn from the same areas that have been generating this growth.
Wondering if the district might consider moving 5th grade (from Cascadia) to Eaglestaff to make room for all kids K-4 at Cascadia. Just thinking about solutions...
-MB
-MB
Ben
Sleeper did a good job explaining what it's like now at Cascadia. It's not about space, in fact Lincoln feels spacious. It's numbers. It's not unusual for a grade to have seven classrooms. This feels temporary, like we're just squeezing in and making do until we can breathe again. But it's been like this for at least 3 years and will go on well into the forseeable future if it doesn't split. This is every day, every year for the kids in the program.
All that aside, I will agree the Decatur building is not ideal. It would be a small cohort, it would cause neighborhood congestion, it would grow too much too fast, coordinating recess would be challenging, and those NE kids could feel like they were getting a raw deal. But as was mentioned above, HCC families don't put their kids in the program for the floor tiles. It's for the access to a basic education, and it doesn't have to be in a pretty building. It doesn't have to be Decatur either, but that's one that's empty.
cascadia parent
The 13 rooms would include classrooms for PCP (Art, etc...), resource room, Sped (i.e. ACCESS), etc...so there could probably be about 10 homerooms at Decatur. You could do 2 homerooms per grade level (since HCC doesn't have Kindergarten), but anything more than that would be a tight fit.
-North-end Mom
I haven't been on the Decatur site, since the new construction was complete. So I don't know what the real-world-deployable capacity would be. My gut says about 200 is realistic, but still a bad plan for students.
That said, I do know what it looks like where there is a solution chasing a problem, rather than the other way around. The space that is left at Decatur is the last scrap of deployable space. I do know that the space there should be deployed in a way that both solves the capacity issues and does the craziest thing ever ... work in a way to support kids getting an education.
There are serious problems at Lincoln. My statement that HCC at Lincoln is the worst capacity condition district wide was unequivocal. The HCC kids deserve a solution that actually works and this one just doesn't provide any meaningful improvement over what is currently happening.
Swapping out a 1,000 student co-location inside Lincoln for a 1,000 student separate-but-equal campus is not in the best interest of any of those kids.
IMHO, the thing that is needed is a simple conversation about the facts about how bad the capacity shortfall is so that there is the slightest hope that the community can pull together for creative solutions. Whenever the conversation focused on shuffling-the-deck-chairs instead of procuring more chairs, everyone loses.
For 13 years now, I have been in the middle of every variation on the we-have-to-do-X-because-it-is-urgent-and-parents-just-are-NIMBY conversation. Every time we agree that it is OK to shove a group of kids into a substandard arrangement because it is an emergency, we all lose.
-MB
I don't see it as shoving a group of kids into a substandard arrangement like you do. HCC has to be nimble because of its delivery model. No qualified student is turned away and that means growing, shrinking and rolling with change. This current situation is not so much an emergency as it is unchecked growth, and this move out of the Lincoln building is a good time to check it. I'd like to see energies spent on selecting a good leader for the school and building the learning community.
CP
HC2
HCC Advocate
CP
Placing HCC in those areas is akin to pouring gasoline on top of a fire.
Has there ever been a school of this small size placed in such a student dense area for a program that guarantees seats to any student who qualifies?
Side questions would be, what is the smallest neighborhood elementary right now anyway? Are there splits at every grade level?
AS
Jane
Likewise I'm not sure if the real # of rooms is 13 or 15 as in the official doc. But I think my assumptions are conservative at 20-25 per room and let's say there are 200-250 desks. If I use your ratios and apply them to the alternative portables I see 120. I'm more generous and expect you'd pack them to at least 25 students which still only get's you 150 more spaces. What's more under worst case scenarios you might need both the seats at WP and the space at Decatur.
In sum, I'm not sold on this idea but its better than doing nothing. If a better proposal gets floated around my thinking will evolve.
-Maria
TC
Total Chaos
We identify highly capable students because their educational needs can't be met by our general education program. Their needs don't change because our capacity planning team can't figure out where they should be served. This is equivalent to putting a limit on the number of students who are identified as English Language Learners for the sake of convenience.
http://www.seattleschools.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_543/File/District/Departments/Capital%20Projects%20and%20Planning/Capacity/task_force_meetings/School%20Space%20and%20Capacity%20V3.pdf
Hopeful
Where is it?
How do students really do when they join the cohort?
Does it work?
It seems we have no information, but we do.
Why won't staff release some numbers?
How can the board make policy without data?
Tesla
I understand your "reasonable" approach and I mostly agree. The vast majority of people try to be as reasonable as possible about this conversation.
However, I have been at this a long time and the sad thing that I have learned is that when we stop the bigger conversation and we start squabbling over deploying the scraps of resources, in ways that are not about education, everyone loses.
The real problem is that we have a system that is running way over capacity and a district that is unwilling to admit the size and scope of the problem and ask for help from the City, State and Community. The constant focus on how to put out this fire and that fire has kept the big conversation about what are doing as a City and a community at bay.
The bottom line is that we need more property, more buildings, and more capacity in every part of the system. We need more
* elementary capacity
* middle school capacity
* high school capacity
* sped capacity
* ell capacity
* hcc capacity
and on and on ...
The entire system is log jammed. And what has happened is that overtime we accept a scenario because it is desperate and we have to "do something" that something becomes the new-normal.
I have lost count of the number of times, the Seattle Delegation or the City of Seattle or a philanthropic group offered support on capacity and SPS said NO THANKS, WE HAVE IT HANDLED.
That's right, SPS was offered support for NEW property and / or NEW Buildings and SPS said NO.
The line has to be held somewhere. it is a BOTH / AND problem, HCC needs space AND we need to stop agreeing to bad solutions, because people are unwilling to admit how bad the problem really is.
1,000 kids on one campus is a bad solution. Kids in a building was once condemned is a bad solution.
I just refuse to pretend that bad solutions are OK. They may be necessary and they may happen but that doesn't make it right.
"Sharing" is an advanced skill and "Sharing" is IN-efficient. Inefficient is distinct from not efficient. Not efficient implies that something can be done to make it more efficient. Some that is inefficient is something that needs to be done intentionally.
When you have a system that is running over 100% capacity, efficiency does matter. When you co-locate two programs, where BOTH programs have GUARANTEED enrollment, then you need to have extra capacity to manage the in-efficiency of this.
Schools systems are considered to be at 100% capacity when they are are 95%, because of the inefficiency of that system. In other words since students do not come in perfectly sized packages, best practices dictate that 95% is the MOST efficient you can get out of your physical capacity.
When you co-house two programs, that number drops down to 90% because both programs are bringing their own in-effiencies and then there is the inefficiency of the two put together.
Co-housing HCC with General Education may or may not be educationally sound. I have no opinion on that one way or another. However, co-housing two populations is in-efficient and that has not been part of this conversation at all!
So there's a portion of the capacity problem that doesn't need to exist. Draw a new line further south. The affluent neighbors will either go to SP, or go private, alleviating a bit of capacity pressure on Laurelhurst.
open ears
-sleeper
-sleeper
Hopeful
-sleeper
Mix ItUp
Mix Itup
-sleeper
Mix Itup
TC old timer
Mix Itup
So no one is concerned about the demographics of Montessori, until the demographics of Montessori at Graham Hill are sharply different from the neighborhood program. Same for HCC at Thurgood Marshall and Spectrum at Washington. Only when the program is co-housed with another program with different demographics does anyone feel moved to action.
3. BOARD SPECIAL MEETING: OVERSIGHT WORK SESSION & WORK SESSION (SEE DESCRIPTION FOR TOPICS)
Date and Time Oct 5 2016 4:30 PM -- 7:30 PM
Location Auditorium, JSCEE
Description Location: John Stanford Center for Educational Excellence, 2445 3rd Ave. South
4:30-5:15pm: Oversight Work Session - Distribution Services
5:15-5:30pm*: Interrelated Initiatives Process Update
6:00-7:30 pm*: Work Session - Advanced Learning
-Danielle