Tuesday Open Thread
Update: I have learned that the W-P design team discussed 4 options for W-P and overwhelmingly went with the one with the buildings at opposite ends of the property. However, I am getting early warning that #4 might not make tonight's discussion. Those of you going, keep an eye out for this and if there aren't 4 of them, ask why not.
End of update.
Presentation for tonight's Work Session on Growth Boundaries and Capacity Management (it also says Equitable Access in the title but since the equitable access framework is not in place, I don't get why that's there).
I like slide 9:
Expect recommendations to change during the process.
•Authentic community engagement leads to ongoing input from multiple sources, including new ideas and different ways of thinking about issues.
•Some of the Guiding Principles express conflicting values. The relative priority of Guiding Principles may vary depending on the issue.
•Technical and feasibility issues may also result in changes (e.g. transportation costs, construction schedule)
Pages 17- 27 on Advanced Learning. Some interesting/funny reading/problematic reading.
What's on your mind?
End of update.
Presentation for tonight's Work Session on Growth Boundaries and Capacity Management (it also says Equitable Access in the title but since the equitable access framework is not in place, I don't get why that's there).
I like slide 9:
Expect recommendations to change during the process.
•Authentic community engagement leads to ongoing input from multiple sources, including new ideas and different ways of thinking about issues.
•Some of the Guiding Principles express conflicting values. The relative priority of Guiding Principles may vary depending on the issue.
•Technical and feasibility issues may also result in changes (e.g. transportation costs, construction schedule)
Pages 17- 27 on Advanced Learning. Some interesting/funny reading/problematic reading.
What's on your mind?
Comments
HP
COME TO THE WILSON PACIFIC DESIGN MEETING tonight at Wilson Pacific, 1330 N. 90th (between I-5 and Aurora) at 7:30pm.
This is the ONLY chance for you say what kind of schools you wish to see built.
There is a push from folks who don't have kids, let alone kids who will go to these schools once built, to build essentially a community center. A big mega-school. Whhhyyyy????
The voters passed the Levy to build a K5 elementary for 650 and a comprehensive middle school for 1,000. They need to be separate: it is a big property, and, there is no reason to either join them up or put them side by side, concentrating 1700 kids. Who is going to want to send their students to that? Middle schoolers and elementary aged children (not to mention the preschoolers) are very different developmentally and have very different needs.
This is the ONLY meeting you can/will be able to attend to let the District know you don't want mega school or community center.
Two schools, at opposite ends of the property, with a big field in between that can be used YEAR ROUND for PE, soccer, little league, football, etc.
Like all SSD facilities, the community will be able to access the WP space after-hours per the joint use agreement (there is the Northgate Community Center and the Northgate Seattle Public Library about a mile and a half away available all the time to the community)
Signed
No mega-K8
Moose
A child's video shows the flooding from 2011 (clogged storm drains contributed to the flooding). Skip to the end of the video and you'll see the intersection just north of WP. You can see the east wall of the gym. In 2013, the waters ran though through the WP property, onto 90th.
Licton Springs Flood
More photos here (Nov, 2012):
Cars submerged in flooded Licton Springs
-observer
Representative Pike serves on the House Education Committee.
I think the ELL Services page represents the paradigm for all services. They failed to provide the rationale for the location of the World School at T T Minor. I'm sure they have it; I'd just like to see it.
The set-aside of classrooms for Special Education is the right way to set school attendance area boundaries. Those classrooms are not available for general education students. Why didn't they do the same for EOB?
I'm surprised that the District has repeated and emphasized the commitment to move north-end elementary APP to Wilson in 2017. They say "No Stand-Alone Sites" but surely APP @ Lincoln would fill the elementary school at Wilson and make it a stand-alone site. Projected enrollment in 2017 is 675.
Let's review their math about middle school cohorts of 270-360 but no more than 25-30% of the school population. This requires the host middle schools to have no less than 833 students (250/.3=833). I'm not sure they can hit these targets and they have not provided the rationale for the targets. I'd like to see it. June 3 enrollment at Aki Kurose was 735. Madison had 765, Denny had 883. At Mercer it was 934. If the District is going to put APP anywhere south of I-90, Mercer is their only choice. Mercer is very close to the east end of the West Seattle bridge and easy to reach from the 1st Avenue Bridge, making it a fair option for students from West Seattle.
The District is inconsistent when it comes to APP. They use the data to support the creation of a second elementary-middle school APP pathway in the North when that would clearly violate their specifications for program size. They don't propose any changes in the South where it will also violate their specifications for program size. Meanwhile, they say that they have promised the community that they will not do what they also claim that they plan to do, and in the south they say that they will create a pathway in West Seattle, oh no, wait, they won't. Huh?
Where is the statement that they will set-aside the needed classrooms?
Continue providing elementary Spectrum in each middle
school service area.
Except that they don't. Many middle school service areas do not have a legitimate elementary Spectrum program.
Continue providing guaranteed Spectrum assignments
at all attendance area middle schools.
Guaranteed assignment, but no guarantee of Spectrum.
Continue build out of ALO throughout the district
(access and quality).
There is neither access nor quality in most ALOs
HIMSmom
Shine on
I'm not sure how I feel about making some language immersion programs option and some not.
STEM is not a program; it is a curricular focus. It is, in fact, listed among the examples of a curricular focus in SP 2200.
The presentation doesn't provide the rationale for moving K-5 STEM to Schmitz Park building. This puts two option schools in the Madison service area while there are none in the Denny service area. Concord could have been an option school, but the District chose to leave this language immersion program as an attendance area school. There are buildings available in the Denny service area. I'm not saying it's a bad decision; I'm saying they should provide their rationale.
There is no rationale provided for refusing equitable access to Montessori programs. If they have one, they should provide it.
@Moose: there's no discussion of high school because there's no money to fix it right now. BEX IV reopens Lincoln in 2020-ish. When the current crop of elementary students rolls up to high school, we'll need another 1-2 high schools in the district, or we'll need to go to split shifts or some other capacity-increasing system. If the population increase looks permanent, the former is a better option. If it's a bubble, the latter probably makes more sense.
The way I was reading these slides, and I hope I am wrong, is that the district is repeating the promise with a BUT...sure, we made that commitment, and one factor is that we should try to keep our commitments, but there are other factors to consider.
-too cynical?
I feel confident there will be no "one" school or co-joined building. There will be two separate schools. I believe there will be a playfield as well.
There will be a large number of students at that location, no matter how many buildings.
This is not the only meeting there will be on this subject and folks can weigh in at the previously advertised Let's Talk meetings and other community meetings to come.
I am glad the community is keeping a close watch on this issue.
It is the only DESIGN meeting for the public for Wilson Pacific specifically. Time to speak one's piece or forever after hold their tongue. Yes, there will be "let's talk" meetings, but, those are more diffuse in focus, and not about the building of the buildings for that campus. There have been some wonky ideas for the Wilson Pacific campus, not coming from the parents or educator community, thus, this is the meeting for the parents and teachers to speak up about what is rational, what works. This is the point in time, after which, designs will be settled and permitting beginning.
As for flooding, the City should put in storm sewers, that is their responsibility, and no doubt the architects and engineers for the project will be mindful and create appropriate systems to ensure flooding is not an issue going forward. They are professionals, I trust in their abilities.
No mega k8
No, you cannot speak at Work Sessions. There's nothing stopping you, though, from sending your questions/thoughts to Board members and we can see if that issue comes up.
Joanna, I didn't say it shouldn't be there - it should. I'm saying because program placement is key to ALL these decisions, where is the framework to guide the decisions?
Karen, tell the Board about what is happening at Whitman. They likely know nothing; I'm sure Bob Vaughan didn't tell them on his way out the door.
it's craziness
curious
If one school uses MAP scores, another school uses their own test, and yet another school uses another matrix, there isn't equal access.
This is a correct statement, but what lurks unsaid (but implied) is what's been killing so many good things around the district in recent years, especially advanced learning.
If there is a choice between some schools doing The Right Thing and others doing The Wrong Thing OR all schools doing The Wrong Thing, which is better?? The latter gives everyone your "equal access", while the former does not. But the former is much better; at least it serves as many students as possible, where the latter is just garbage in the name of "equity".
The same thing carries over to classrooms, where teachers are being forced to conform virtually everything they do across a grade level, allowing zero kids in zero classrooms to get anything special that a teacher might have to offer. Since every human being has different skills, knowledge and passions, this kind of policy makes it impossible for any teacher to engage their kids in any kind of special way, to use an area of passion to strike a spark of passion in their students. It's sick and twisted.
To the point above, this attitude has made a mess of math placement, it's hurting advanced learning around the city, and it's chased away many good teachers, especially (but not only) at Lincoln/SNAPP.
Do people really thing equality at all costs is the best thing for our kids??
-sad
As Melissa suggested, the design option of having buildings on opposite sides of the campus was not presented. Four very similar scenarios were presented, each with the elementary and middle school massed on the west side (pretty much where the existing buildings are now) and the green space/fields to remain on the east side. Supposedly the design team was also shown a scenario with buildings on opposite sides of the campus, but it wasn't presented at the public meeting. There was also some vagueness about what programs would be housed in the middle school. APP 1-5 was clearly listed as part of the elementary building, but not so for middle school.
-attendee
Pinehurst/As-1 has presented many possible scenarios for the survival of our school to SPS.Most were dismissed out of hand.Others ended up fulfilling another schools needs for space. Yet others were a "99% done deal" only to be killed with no transparency of process.
I think community support of our school shown by e-mails to growthboundaries@seattleschools.org (it's the cool new SPS e-mail address)
might help us secure a home.
Each middle school is supposed to have a corresponding option school,
perhaps our new home could be somewhere on the centrally located Wilson-Pacific site?
-attendee
Peeps
Teacher training programs: the good, the bad and the useless
WSDWG
June 26, 2013
Dear Broadview-Thomson K-8 community,
Today I’m announcing a leadership change at Broadview-Thomson for the next school year. Your principal, Wyeth Jessee, has been appointed Executive Director of Leadership Development, starting July 1. In this role, he will be responsible for developing and implementing a leadership development strategy for the District, including creating a strong pipeline of leaders in both schools and Central Office.
I know Mr. Jessee has done an incredible job as principal of your school, and please know that moving a principal from a building – especially after the school year has ended – is not done without great thought and care. As Executive Director of Leadership Development, Mr. Jessee will be able to help the entire school district create stability in leadership, and replicate throughout the District the successful outcomes that students at Broadview-Thomson experienced.
I am committed to finding a strong principal to replace Mr. Jessee. Marni Campbell, Executive Director of Schools for the Northwest region, will oversee the process. We will move quickly to get input from the staff and community regarding the selection of a new principal for Broadview-Thomson K-8 and will keep you informed of our progress.
Please join me in congratulating Mr. Jessee.
Sincerely,
José Banda
Superintendent
Seattle Public Schools
What a load of gobbety gook. More executive directors? Really. That's grade inflation if I ever heard it.
another parent