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Wednesday, June 20, 2012

I-1240 - Making False Claims

It seems that some signature gathers for I-1240 are making some false claims.  Now this may be entirely legal (I'm actually not sure but others are looking into this; I think the burden falls on the voter to read the initiative.)

But I'd like to document them so on the Tuesday and Friday Open Thread, please list if you hear an I-1240 signature gatherer making a false claim.

Here's mine:
On Monday, Jun 18th, at about 10 am I was at the Northgate Target where I heard a woman being told that I-1240 was just a "pilot" program for charters.  That language is nowhere in the initiative. 

And again, I invite you to correct me if I get anything wrong.  I did correct one error in my reading; charters can contract out only management (and nearly everything else) to a for-profit.  They can contract out only operations to another non-profit (which is what most CMOs - charter management organizations are).   They are one of the biggest growing sectors in charters. 

20 comments:

mirmac1 said...

"non-profit" in name only? Increased IRS Scrutiny of Charter Schools Operated by For-Profit Management Companies

Eric B said...

I'd also add that there's a lot of flexibility in making a nominally non-profit corporation profitable for some people. There generally aren't many restrictions on what kinds of salaries get paid to the management (and possibly Board), so there's room for money to be made.

Patrick said...

I don't think any judge would like to be put in the position of judging the truth or falseness of campaign statements. It's up to the voters, the media, this blog...

Anonymous said...

I’m thinking I may just need to take a little trip up to Northgate this weekend..... I might even have to take a few printed flyers about charters with me.

CT

Melissa Westbrook said...

I hope to put out a flyer (or two) that you can print and take. It would be a half-sheet so cheaper and easier to read.

Catherine said...

I'd like to suggest an edit to this entry title - it's not the initiative that's making the claim, it's the signature gatherers.

I-1240 reps making false claims


thx

mirmac1 said...

Ask the signature-gatherers about the latest GAO report on Charters keeping out SpEd students (uh, not legal)

CHARTER SCHOOLS
Additional Federal Attention Needed to Help Protect Access for Students with Disabilities

uxolo said...

The petition gatherer, after I apologized and tried to dissuade a 'customer,' told me she gets $4per signature and as the timer times down, they'll probably get $5-$6. She needs the money and that's why she is collecting names. She was glad I told the signer why charters are a very bad idea.

Melissa Westbrook said...

Catherine, Yes on 1240 is paying them. If they don't want the people they pay to make false claims, they might want to train them better.

Kathy said...

In case anyone wants to stand next to a signature gatherer for an hour or two, the Womens League of Education Voters put together a few good talking points. Here they are:

• Private boards selected by non-profit corporations rather than publicly elected by citizens will govern charter schools.

• Charter schools will be exempt from state statutes and rules applicable to school districts and boards, creating a separate and unequal school system even though Article IX of the Washington state Constitution requires a general and uniform system of common schools.

• The Initiative would create additional administrative functions and costs for the State Board of Education, the Superintendent of Public Instruction and School Districts at a time when the Supreme Court has ruled in McCleary v. State that Washington is failing to provide ample funding for the basic education required by the Legislature (HB 2261).

• Although proponents of the Initiative promise “at risk” students and those from low-performing schools will be served by charter schools, nothing in the Initiative requires it.

• There are many successful innovative and alternative schools as part of the public school system in Washington state. Let’s encourage them and work toward full funding for all students in all schools rather than be distracted by charter schools that would only serve a few students chosen by lottery

Anonymous said...

I wish the legislators would pass a law that states signature gatherers have to be volunteers—no payment. If a proposed initiative is truly grassroots, the writers should have the grassroots volunteers to back it up. It would definitely reduce the number of initiatives on the ballot.

I am sure though, that this would somehow be unconstitutional, etc. To me, the entire process goes against the idea of representative government, and lets our elected officials off the hook on controversial topics.

I wonder how many people realize how many of the signature gatherers are paid per signature.

SolvayGirl

Anonymous said...

I just had a signature-gatherer shout after me "I've done my research. I went to a charter school!" My immediate thought was, then why are you working for minimum wage.

Hey, I know times are tough. But I would not be making money doing this... Leave that to Paul Hill and his crew.

PuhLeeze

mirmac1 said...

One signature-gatherer had TWO petitions: charters schools and "one that would make it harder to raise taxes". WTH is that one? Didn't know there was another one of those circulating around. It already takes &^%$! 2/3 vote to raise taxes. What, it has to be unanimous or something?!

Ed said...

mirmac

Its Eyman's latest.

Peas in a pod.

Ed

Melissa Westbrook said...

Petitions are at UW so consider going there to work against the charter initiative.

I'll have a couple of flyers (half sheet so two to a page) available mid-morning and a list of places you can consider visiting to hand them out.

dw said...

I saw the signature gatherers on the Ave yesterday as well. At least one pair appeared to be working a block together.

If you go out with a stack of half-sheets (Melissa's or otherwise), plant yourself just upstream or downstream from them, and take care to target everyone heading in their direction only! Others are wasted effort because they've either taken no interest or already signed.

Also, as I mentioned on another thread, even if you don't have time to distribute literature, if you see these folks, engage them in a long discussion. If they are able to hit, say, 3-4 people per minute, if you can engage them in discussion for 10-15 minutes, you've managed to keep them from approaching 30-60 people! You'll need to feign interest though, otherwise they'll just brush you off.

I don't like taking $ away from these kids, but I like the strategy of buying an initiative even less.

Unknown said...

THANK YOU.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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