We Want Cliff Mass!
You'll have to read it to believe it. KUOW has fired/let go UW professor Cliff Mass. If you're not familiar with Professor Mass (he of the perfect radio voice), he did a regular feature on Friday mornings about the upcoming weather in the Puget Sound. He usually added some kind of science feature to his work and it was usually related to the weather/science. I actually didn't hear him do this all that much. He was usually on between 3-5 minutes.
But I guess sometimes he talked about fuzzy math. (He was part of a small group that successfully sued the district over the math curriculum only to later have it reversed on appeal.) And I guess that made some people (like UW which owns KUOW) mad.
Read about it at his blog and how he matches it to the firing of Principal Floe. He makes some very strong points about how other "regulars," who are on much longer also provide commentary.
If you like Professor Mass' work on KUOW, I urge you to consider boycotting KUOW and letting them know (1) how unfair this is and (2) how much you enjoy his work. If you feel as strongly, as I do, please let your family, friends,co-workers and neighbors know as well.
KUOW Weekday:
Steve Scher
sscher@kuow.org
Katy Sewall
katy@kuow.org
KUOW News Director:
Guy Nelson: gnelson@kuow.org
Chair of UW Board:
Allen Steinman: asteinman@badermartin.com
Wayne Roth, KUOW President and CEO
wroth@kuow.org
But I guess sometimes he talked about fuzzy math. (He was part of a small group that successfully sued the district over the math curriculum only to later have it reversed on appeal.) And I guess that made some people (like UW which owns KUOW) mad.
Read about it at his blog and how he matches it to the firing of Principal Floe. He makes some very strong points about how other "regulars," who are on much longer also provide commentary.
If you like Professor Mass' work on KUOW, I urge you to consider boycotting KUOW and letting them know (1) how unfair this is and (2) how much you enjoy his work. If you feel as strongly, as I do, please let your family, friends,co-workers and neighbors know as well.
KUOW Weekday:
Steve Scher
sscher@kuow.org
Katy Sewall
katy@kuow.org
KUOW News Director:
Guy Nelson: gnelson@kuow.org
Chair of UW Board:
Allen Steinman: asteinman@badermartin.com
Wayne Roth, KUOW President and CEO
wroth@kuow.org
Comments
....wishful thinking...
I cannot believe they would let him go. No one doesn't love Cliff Mass' piece on the radio.
Hi,
I'm on vacation. Check with Sage or Steve if you need something.
See you soon,
Katy
I think bringing Cliff Mass back for weather and then having a 15 minute education segment (frankly, at least as many people are interested in education as they are in gardening. I could even see a longer education panel, made up of some regulars + rotating folks. It would be fabulous. We could have decision makers/polticians like Enfield and school board members, the UW education dean, and gadflies like Cliff & Melissa. I'd listen to that show.
zb
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but I'm coming around to the idea that the Broad & Gates money is fundamentally corrupting discourse about education. We now have tendrils in the UW education department, scattered throughout the educational directors in SPS (not to mention the board), KUOW.
It's scary, and I don't know how to stop it.
Thanks Melissa. Keep up the good work. One blog and a woman willing to go through 900 pages of public records request isn't enough, but it's something.
(zb)
On the one hand, it's a huge improvement over Enfield's Ed-Reform-coded, robotic predecessor. (we have systems (beep), controls (beep) and procedures (beep)...) But on the other hand, Cliff probably made the mistake of blushing at what he witnessed, and they retaliated in defense of their new BFF.
We love to call ourselves a world class city, but in truth, we are so petty and small sometimes, it's embarrassing.
WSEADAWG
KUOW listener
(time to get out the tinfoil hat?)
Also, please folks don't ever believe I work totally alone. Don't get me wrong because it's a lot sometimes for one person BUT there are many other unsung heros out here slogging away as I do.
Keep talking about it, writing about it, and exposing it. Messaging, messaging, messaging. Turn the Ed Reformers biggest weapon against them.
One political party is this country is so effective at messaging they win elections they shouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell at. Why? Because like Goebbels "big lie" theory that if you just keep saying something over and over, regardless of it's truth, eventually it will become "common knowledge" accepted by enough of the population to produce the desired result.
If it works with big lies, it ought to work as well or better with Big Truths.
I know this: Before the last round of closures, people weren't identifying the Ed Reform Cartels and calling them out, along with the huge financial stakes Walton, Gates, Broad and others have in public ed. It's not common knowledge everywhere yet, but hundreds if not thousands of Seattle parents now know it when they see it, and have galvanized in opposition, which continues to grow. Keep talking, keep writing, and support the challengers in this years school board elections!
WSEADAWG
I hope Cliff takes this up with the Faculty Senate, too.
Word ID target for this post is "oviduc" I'm not kidding. Seems like the Internet agrees that Weekday needs a female. Or a "femal" Is that Latin for "bad girl?"
Scrawny Kayaker
KUOW is licensed by the University, so I see this as one department (Ed.) using the UW radio station to censor a professor in another department. Complaints should also be directed to Interim President Phyllis Wise and the incoming President Michael Young.
I hope Cliff takes this up with the Faculty Senate, too.
Scrawny Kayaker
I really will reconsider renewing my KUOW membership if the keep this sort of thing up.
There is a whole branch of real, not-at-all-sloppy, mathematics often referred to as "fuzzy mathematics". It includes fuzzy set theory and fuzzy logic, and is used successfully in real world control systems (fuzzy controllers). According to traditional logic, a statement is either completely true or completely false; fuzzy logic recognizes that some statements are partially true, and provides a rigorous framework for dealing with that. (or at least that's how I remember it - it's been quite awhile)
"Fuzzy math" is a nice snappy catch phrase; I just wish we had a different one.
Steve did seem pretty teed by Cliff's topic changes based on his comments this morning, though. So who really knows if it was outside pressure, or just a personal decision on Steve's part. However, KUOW is a *public* radio station, and it that needs to air as many public voices as possible. The correct solution to interesting and popular, but off topic, commentary is to mix up the segments, not to drop the commentator. Cliff Mass may be opinionated, but he is also well-educated in the sciences and has a depth to his opinions that offers up a unique and often unheard voice - that of the real, authentic academic who is rarely swayed by the political maelstrom swirling around him (which is why I think Cliff would never run for School Board -- he is about the ideas, not about the politics).
I really hope to hear Cliff's voice on KUOW again, and on a regular basis. I always looked forward to his segments, no matter what he chose to speak about.
Signed,
-Waiting to Send in My Check Until I See What They Do About Cliff
Date: November 2009
Purpose: to support coverage of education issues on NPR programs, including the "Morning Edition" and "All Things Considered"
Amount: $750,000
Term: 3 years
Topic: Advocacy & Public Policy
Region Served: Global, North America
Program: Foundation
Grantee Location: Washington, District of Columbia
Grantee Web site: http://www.npr.org
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Grants-2009/Pages/National-Public-Radio-OPPad17.aspx
Maybe even this:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Grants-2010/Pages/National-Public-Radio-OPPGD1461.aspx
Possibly this:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Grants-2011/Pages/University-of-Washington-Foundation-OPP1035306.aspx
Gates supports corporate ed reform, funds TFA, Inc. (via his Washington STEM enterprise), which is now embedded in UW, and funds CRPE, also based at UW. Critiques about UW-supported weak math, or SPS curriculum decisions might not wash with Bill the Underwriter.
Also, as pointed out earlier on this thread, the Broad Foundation has underwritten KUOW in the recent past. I noticed that KUOW never mentioned Goodloe-Johnson's Broad connections, or the influence of Broad on national education, until the bitter end when MGJ got fired, when Phyllis Fletcher finally mentioned Broad. I can recall parents who brought up Broad on KUOW's call-in shows over the past 2 years getting cut off by the host (Sher? Reynolds?).
And yes, the KUOW-UW connection is also an obvious place to look for the source of squelching Mass.
I think Mass should shop his popular segment to another, more deserving outlet.
Lastly, unless I missed something, Balter, Berger, et al did not mention the Enfield-Floe fiasco in their weekly roundup of local news last Friday. I'm wondering whether that was just bad news judgment on their part, or someone's direction to KUOW to avoid talking about another SPS scandal during an election/levy year.
Hard to know at this point. KUOW's credibility is now in doubt. All in all, very disappointing. Guess I won't be renewing my membership. But KUOW probably doesn't need my money anyway, when it's got Bill & Eli paying its bills.
--Sue p.
I totally agree with Katy Sewall's decision to keep the cranky educational curmudgeon stuff out of the meteorological segment of the show. It doesn't fit there, and the journalistic integrity issues are real. It's a good show and you all do a great job with it.
I also think you're missing an opportunity here. He's a professional scientist and educator who has real opinions about science and education. He likes talking about it and people like listening to it. I'm sure that if you could carve a distinct non-weather time to discuss education with him and others who have differing views, that would benefit everyone in the way that public radio is supposed to.
If there's a way to let the passionate opinionated folks like Cliff Mass (and Charlie Mas and Melissa Westbrook and others) to discuss education without it turning into cable-tv style punditry, I would trust KUOW to pull it off.
I have always been impressed with the comments on this blog- people promoting research based theories and hoping/trying that SPS district works toward implementing them. Cliff Mass talking about his own personal philosophy around math does not make sense to me. It gives me pause, what do people truly think of teachers?
SPS Teacher
-Perplexed
Should have correctly spelled "himself", and the last line should be "Whether I agree with him or not, he does have standing on that basis."
-Perplexed
In any event, vastly more than just about everyone from KUOW, assuming Martin Flynn's numbers are accurate.
As well, he uses math. Everyday. And he is in a position to see the quality of math education when kids get to college, and how that has changed over time. He is an educator, and part of what he teaches is how math is used in science. I don't understand the statement that math education is outside his expertise. Are you saying that one who has an education degree has more expertise in math education than, say, a mathematician?
@SPS Teacher - ummm, he's a science professor - how could he possibly NOT be qualified to judge math skills of students?
When will NPR learn?
I am glad he is gone. His behavior was wholly inappropriate.
I do not understand the disconnect between SPS and UW math/science professors when it comes to math education.
Kids who get into the UW are not failing math students. They are A students with 4 years of math, many with AP math. They are capable kids who have been led to believe that they have mastered high school math.
Yet, they get to UW and find out that they have not mastered the math needed to progress in college level math & science. The math & science professors have not changed their expectations of students math skills over the years, but have watched as successive classes of students have fewer of the required skills.
SPS charts continued student growth in math from increasing WASL scores to increasing AP math classes. They say that students are better prepared in math.
Someone has it wrong.
At least I know about it, because of Cliff Mass & others at UW. So I can help my kids bridge the difference. But there are a lot of other kids who are being done a great disservice by keeping it quiet and unexamined.
Parent
"I'm surprised, um, that Steve Scher, um, managed, um, to um, complete a, um, thought at all, um. Let alone, um, one, um, as complex as firing, um, someone. Um.
I didn't even know Cliff Mass was on Weekday, because I have to change stations when Scher is on. That halting, um-filled style induces road rage. Even if I'm in my apartment."
I knew there was a reason why I quit listening to Scher years ago.
I used this google thing, and found
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/academics/courses.shtml
http://www.amath.washington.edu/research/#atmos
Maybe Prof. Mass neglected to point out that Calc 126 is a pre-req for many of the Atmospheric Science classes?? Maybe he forgot to mention that the horrible skills of our kids mean those kids will NEVER have a clue what to do with the following from the Applied MATH department -
"mathematical methods for studying the hydrodynamical instability of shear flows, transition from laminar flow to turbulence, applications of fractals to turbulence, two-dimensional and quasi-geostrophic turbulence theory and computation, and large-scale nonlinear wave mechanics."
C'mon people ...
Math and Weather don't mix?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
The hypothesis was: Inquiry based math will engage all students better, improve math understanding and close the achievement gap. We've done the experiment: Seattle adopted fuzzy math at all levels, students arrive at college less prepared and the achievement gap widened. Cherry-picked studies don't change this fact. It's time to discard the hypothesis, not cling to politics.
Convective turbulence
ummm, he's a science professor - how could he possibly NOT be qualified to judge math skills of students?
BTW, I agree with Mass on most educational issues, and you can't blame a guy for trying to take advantage of his situation, but trying to make himself a martyr over this is pretty pathetic. His own account shows that KUOW talked to him about what they wanted. It isn't his show.
(And don't worry about your tax dollars. KUOW is almost entirely self-supporting.)
Under current math curriculum, I have 2 kids who didn't learn their multiplication table by grade 3 until we taught them at home (contrary to expert's opinion). They learned to figure out mean, mode, range, and median though. They don't have a clue what these terms mean, but hey, they are shiny according to their teachers! (Take that Singapore Math.) Then again, neither do most grown up and mainstream media when they look at statisitical data (real estate, home prices, income, test results, etc.) Which is perfect, as it keeps us plebians dumb and fixated on reality TV instead.
I am no educational expert, but I am fast becoming an expert BS spotter when I see and hear one.
-Learning on the curve
On the contrary, I thought that was pretty obvious. Bree Dusseault = Ed reformer. Floe failing to kowtow to boss = Firing.
That Prof. Mass is not an education expert.....
WSP2 please show me the data that backs your opinion ... do you have any facts?
WSP2, Do you find the recommendations of the UW CoE to be better than those of Prof. Mass for math?
Here are some data point trends that you need to explain:
In regard to UW Professional development =>
The Math Damage caused by UW CoE Math Education Project>
Check out these results in regard to reading and math.... in Seattle =>
4th Grade Math
OSPI annual Pass rates
Year ..... WHITE .:. BLACK ..::.. GAP
04 WASL 78.00% : 36.40% :: 41.60%
05 WASL 79.60% : 33.10% :: 46.50%
06 WASL 76.00% : 31.30% :: 44.70%
07 WASL 79.80% : 32.00% :: 47.80%
08 WASL 73.90% : 27.60% :: 46.30%
09 WASL 78.80% : 29.10% :: 49.70%
10 MSP 77.70% : 28.20% :: 49.50%
4th Grade Reading
OSPI annual Pass rates
Year ..... WHITE .:. BLACK ..::.. GAP
04 WASL 87.50% : 55.70% : 31.80%
05 WASL 90.90% : 61.60% : 29.30%
06 WASL 90.50% : 61.60% : 28.90%
07 WASL 90.20% : 64.90% : 25.30%
08 WASL 87.80% : 56.80% : 31.00%
09 WASL 89.80% : 53.60% : 36.20%
10 MSP 84.10% : 43.30% : 40.80%
10th Grade Math
OSPI annual Pass rates
Year ..... WHITE .:. BLACK ..::.. GAP
04 WASL 58.70% : 11.30% : 47.40%
05 WASL 57.10% : 12.90% : 44.20%
06 WASL 72.20% : 21.70% : 50.50%
07 WASL 70.80% : 19.60% : 51.20%
08 WASL 68.30% : 16.00% : 52.30%
09 WASL 69.90% : 16.30% : 53.60%
10 HSPE 68.10% : 12.50% : 55.60%
In Seattle HS .. Prior to Spring 2006 all students in HS for two years took the WASL as Grade 10 students.... effective Spring 2006 only students with sophomore credits were allowed to take the WASL and be considered as 10th graders tested. Thus the big bump up in Spring 2006.
Note the Pass rate for Black students with Sophomore credits has bombed out at 12.5%
.. looks like Mass can read data and draw reasonable and logical conclusions ...
What say you in defense WSP2?
The FACT is, admitted undergraduates at UW have abysmal math skills. The FACT is, student performance on standardized math tests has fallen with the introduction of "exploration-based" math texts. The FACT is, students admitted to UW have outstanding credentials, and those who fail to gain admittance have distinct weaknesses.
I can see how these facts offend some people, but then, I'm used to dealing with religious zealots, and I recognize how difficult it is when one's faith is challenged by reality.
I've been a supporter of KUOW for 20 years. I'm done. I think I'll send the money to the National Center for Science Education instead (http://nsce.com).
We need new blood at KUOW