Early Warning Updates
I titled this thread "Early Warning" because I believe we are starting to see the signs of some major upheaval.
First, I'd like to just take a pulse about opting out. If you feel comfortable, could you comment if you are opting your child(ren) out of the SBAC and at what school (or, if not the school, the region - NE, NW, Central, WS, SW or SE)? You don't have to give grade level, gender or names, of course.
As well, let us know if this is a source of open discussion or quiet discussion and if you are getting pushback from staff.
Next, I believe the Charter Commission will be releasing a statement soon - probably in the next couple of days - that they will either be suspending First Place Scholars' charter or closing it down entirely. This will be sad but my impression is that the new Board/Director at First Place have not been able to meet the requirements set out by the Charter Commission when FP was placed on probation.
Lastly, below is a letter from Chief Sealth teachers to the Nathan Hale Community. It is a beautifully written letter and it has some key points that I want to pull out.
Dear Parents, Students, Teachers and Staff of Nathan Hale High School,
We, the undersigned teachers and staff at Chief Sealth International High School, are writing to you in a show of support for your efforts to forego administration of the SBA tests to your 11th graders. We object to this sort of testing and agree with your reasoning on the tests.
As a school with a high percentage of students with IEPs, English Language Learners, Black and Latino students, students that live in or near poverty, and other traditionally marginalized populations we expect to be particularly devastated by this invalid and unreliable measurement of our students. We are concerned that these students in particular, aside from being labeled failures continuously, will also be subjected to further testing, more so than other students. This model is not in the interest of our students. This test will serve to widen the achievement gap and decrease graduation rates.
We, like you, have struggled with the implementation of different and higher standards without the resources to support that implementation. Our Special Education department continues to be understaffed. Our building budget continues to lack the resources we need to prepare students to achieve the high standards required by this test. Of course, we support having high expectations for each and every student and supporting each and every student in developing their potential to the fullest, but have been frustrated with the lack of resources to make that happen. Implementation of this test will only serve to show us what we already know: our schools are not well-resourced enough to implement these much higher standards. We agree that this is unnecessary self-flagellation and not a wise use of spare educational resources. In particular, this testing comes at a time when our building is experiencing budget cuts where we are being forced to choose between student services and class offerings, an annual Sophie’s choice that the implementation of this test only exacerbates.
We further recognize the arbitrary nature of the “cut scores”--those scores that will determine proficiency on the test. We were shocked to learn that the scores were set by a select group who simply decided what they thought should be grade level proficiency. This does not reflect the evidence and research based practices to which we try to hold ourselves accountable.
We agree that it seems like more than a waste of time to implement this test to 11th graders in particular. These students will not see any benefit from having taken this test. These students have not been instructed to the Common Core standards so why would we assess whether they can perform to them? We wonder who does benefit from this implementation.
Of course we are operating in the same context as you are. A context in which our state legislature is being held in contempt for its unwillingness to adequately fund basic education in our state. As a result, in an environment of inadequate and declining Federal, State, and District funding and a new law tying teacher salaries to the results of this inadequate test, as Superintendent Larry Nyland says, “we are each being asked to do what seems daunting.” Of course, our hesitation earns us the label of having a “fixed mindset rather than a growth mindset.” We reject this formulation. In fact, we encourage growth and strive for growth every day, in ourselves and in our students. We would encourage District, State and Federal officials to adopt the same mindset and provide some growth in funding and resources.
We continue to believe that a world class education system that prepares students for college and career requires the investment of significant resources and cannot be done on the cheap by implementing new standards and tests. We recognize that this strategy has been attempted most recently with the latest iteration of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, colloquially known as No Child Left Behind, and has been a miserable failure.
Thank you for taking this stand and know that you have the support of many of your fellow educators and community members.
End of letter
This test will serve to widen the achievement gap and decrease graduation rates.
I believe this thought is one that is echoing throughout the country. I think ed reform has overstepped in its zeal in believing that they know what is best especially for underprivileged kids of color. (I'll have a separate thread which speaks to this issue via, what I believe, is a particularly damning column in an ed reform blog.)
Of course, we support having high expectations for each and every student and supporting each and every student in developing their potential to the fullest, but have been frustrated with the lack of resources to make that happen.
Again, other meme for ed reform is that if you believe poverty is an issue in public education, then you believe poor children cannot learn and that teachers have lower expectations for those students.
Poverty is an issue in public education, should be addressed at the same time as public education issues but it does not mean that poor kids can't learn. It's insulting to both the general public and teachers to hold that this is the main belief system for most people in those two categories.
In particular, this testing comes at a time when our building is experiencing budget cuts where we are being forced to choose between student services and class offerings, an annual Sophie’s choice that the implementation of this test only exacerbates.
And there is your early warning about school budgets. Schools are suffering from proposed budget cuts.
I have to write about the last Work Session that included school budgets but this feeling from Sealth teachers is exactly what I am hearing districtwide.
However, Budget's Linda Sebring told the Directors that principals were to be given a one-year hold on losing any more staff as principals said they just could not take this in-and-out of staff especially assistant principals, counselors and office staff. (I will confirm this but it is what I believe Ms. Sebring to have said.)
We were shocked to learn that the scores were set by a select group who simply decided what they thought should be grade level proficiency. This does not reflect the evidence and research based practices to which we try to hold ourselves accountable.
Again, this accountability piece that gets pushed but without real research-based data.
We agree that it seems like more than a waste of time to implement this test to 11th graders in particular. These students will not see any benefit from having taken this test. These students have not been instructed to the Common Core standards so why would we assess whether they can perform to them? We wonder who does benefit from this implementation.
Take a test on information you haven't been taught that will not be reflected in your grades or ability to graduate..rather than being in class learning? Yes, who benefits from this?
I truly hope that we all continue to rise up against this testing excess AND hold the Legislature's feet to the fire over McCleary.
First, I'd like to just take a pulse about opting out. If you feel comfortable, could you comment if you are opting your child(ren) out of the SBAC and at what school (or, if not the school, the region - NE, NW, Central, WS, SW or SE)? You don't have to give grade level, gender or names, of course.
As well, let us know if this is a source of open discussion or quiet discussion and if you are getting pushback from staff.
Next, I believe the Charter Commission will be releasing a statement soon - probably in the next couple of days - that they will either be suspending First Place Scholars' charter or closing it down entirely. This will be sad but my impression is that the new Board/Director at First Place have not been able to meet the requirements set out by the Charter Commission when FP was placed on probation.
Lastly, below is a letter from Chief Sealth teachers to the Nathan Hale Community. It is a beautifully written letter and it has some key points that I want to pull out.
Dear Parents, Students, Teachers and Staff of Nathan Hale High School,
We, the undersigned teachers and staff at Chief Sealth International High School, are writing to you in a show of support for your efforts to forego administration of the SBA tests to your 11th graders. We object to this sort of testing and agree with your reasoning on the tests.
As a school with a high percentage of students with IEPs, English Language Learners, Black and Latino students, students that live in or near poverty, and other traditionally marginalized populations we expect to be particularly devastated by this invalid and unreliable measurement of our students. We are concerned that these students in particular, aside from being labeled failures continuously, will also be subjected to further testing, more so than other students. This model is not in the interest of our students. This test will serve to widen the achievement gap and decrease graduation rates.
We, like you, have struggled with the implementation of different and higher standards without the resources to support that implementation. Our Special Education department continues to be understaffed. Our building budget continues to lack the resources we need to prepare students to achieve the high standards required by this test. Of course, we support having high expectations for each and every student and supporting each and every student in developing their potential to the fullest, but have been frustrated with the lack of resources to make that happen. Implementation of this test will only serve to show us what we already know: our schools are not well-resourced enough to implement these much higher standards. We agree that this is unnecessary self-flagellation and not a wise use of spare educational resources. In particular, this testing comes at a time when our building is experiencing budget cuts where we are being forced to choose between student services and class offerings, an annual Sophie’s choice that the implementation of this test only exacerbates.
We further recognize the arbitrary nature of the “cut scores”--those scores that will determine proficiency on the test. We were shocked to learn that the scores were set by a select group who simply decided what they thought should be grade level proficiency. This does not reflect the evidence and research based practices to which we try to hold ourselves accountable.
We agree that it seems like more than a waste of time to implement this test to 11th graders in particular. These students will not see any benefit from having taken this test. These students have not been instructed to the Common Core standards so why would we assess whether they can perform to them? We wonder who does benefit from this implementation.
Of course we are operating in the same context as you are. A context in which our state legislature is being held in contempt for its unwillingness to adequately fund basic education in our state. As a result, in an environment of inadequate and declining Federal, State, and District funding and a new law tying teacher salaries to the results of this inadequate test, as Superintendent Larry Nyland says, “we are each being asked to do what seems daunting.” Of course, our hesitation earns us the label of having a “fixed mindset rather than a growth mindset.” We reject this formulation. In fact, we encourage growth and strive for growth every day, in ourselves and in our students. We would encourage District, State and Federal officials to adopt the same mindset and provide some growth in funding and resources.
We continue to believe that a world class education system that prepares students for college and career requires the investment of significant resources and cannot be done on the cheap by implementing new standards and tests. We recognize that this strategy has been attempted most recently with the latest iteration of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, colloquially known as No Child Left Behind, and has been a miserable failure.
Thank you for taking this stand and know that you have the support of many of your fellow educators and community members.
End of letter
This test will serve to widen the achievement gap and decrease graduation rates.
I believe this thought is one that is echoing throughout the country. I think ed reform has overstepped in its zeal in believing that they know what is best especially for underprivileged kids of color. (I'll have a separate thread which speaks to this issue via, what I believe, is a particularly damning column in an ed reform blog.)
Of course, we support having high expectations for each and every student and supporting each and every student in developing their potential to the fullest, but have been frustrated with the lack of resources to make that happen.
Again, other meme for ed reform is that if you believe poverty is an issue in public education, then you believe poor children cannot learn and that teachers have lower expectations for those students.
Poverty is an issue in public education, should be addressed at the same time as public education issues but it does not mean that poor kids can't learn. It's insulting to both the general public and teachers to hold that this is the main belief system for most people in those two categories.
In particular, this testing comes at a time when our building is experiencing budget cuts where we are being forced to choose between student services and class offerings, an annual Sophie’s choice that the implementation of this test only exacerbates.
And there is your early warning about school budgets. Schools are suffering from proposed budget cuts.
I have to write about the last Work Session that included school budgets but this feeling from Sealth teachers is exactly what I am hearing districtwide.
However, Budget's Linda Sebring told the Directors that principals were to be given a one-year hold on losing any more staff as principals said they just could not take this in-and-out of staff especially assistant principals, counselors and office staff. (I will confirm this but it is what I believe Ms. Sebring to have said.)
We were shocked to learn that the scores were set by a select group who simply decided what they thought should be grade level proficiency. This does not reflect the evidence and research based practices to which we try to hold ourselves accountable.
Again, this accountability piece that gets pushed but without real research-based data.
We agree that it seems like more than a waste of time to implement this test to 11th graders in particular. These students will not see any benefit from having taken this test. These students have not been instructed to the Common Core standards so why would we assess whether they can perform to them? We wonder who does benefit from this implementation.
Take a test on information you haven't been taught that will not be reflected in your grades or ability to graduate..rather than being in class learning? Yes, who benefits from this?
I truly hope that we all continue to rise up against this testing excess AND hold the Legislature's feet to the fire over McCleary.
Comments
Roosevelt Dad
ugh
WMS
It was also noted that the budget was based on an unrealistically low student population estimate.
Tomiko-Santos ran an excellent meeting - well paced and in control. Tomiko-Santos noted a huge overflow of people there to observe and testify. They filled at least three other rooms, maybe more.
At the end of the hearing Tomiko-Santos gave a nod to the people who had signed in but had not testified. At least 5 were in favor of tying teachers to test scores. More than 300 were not. Guessing teachers arrived in Olympia in force and made quite a public statement.
Tomiko-Santos certainly had enough cover to scuttle the bill if she wishes. There was nothing new I heard at the meeting that seemingly would sway those whose minds were previously made up. I think the bill is in trouble, but that is only a prediction, knowing nothing of the deal-cutting behind the scenes which is probably substantial.
EdVoter
HP
Here's hoping for a "passing score!"
Ballard parent
-garfield Mom
1) the Common Core curriculum and its testing is just another word for what we've already been doing (don't forget, this is a group of parents who have been dealing with uber-testing of their kids since day one)
2) Since they are used to testing, they don't understand the difference that the SBAC brings. We've been subjected to so may acronyms of tests over the years with our kids--some of which are just re-named versions of former tests for all intents and purposes--that it seems like the school district is just re-naming stuff for unknown reasons
Ballard Parent: When you say you were "forced to seat" your student, what does that mean?
Roosevelt Mom
Bryant Parent
My understanding is you can't initiate an alternative assessment to meet the Reading and Writing requirements unless you have taken (and failed) the SBAC.
So, hence my use of the word "forced" otherwise I would opt out and had my student take the HSPE instead.
Ballard Parent
WS Mom
TOPS dad
They are thinking about standing the the halls at lunch handing out refusal forms and other information this week- I hope they actually do and that other kids join in the campaign as well.
For those who have passed the HSBE, this test is an utter waste.
parent
Eckstein did some testing a week ago--4 class periods allotted per test. I guess kids did a quarter of the test each day. My kid went to the library--no issue whatsoever!
E&L mom
Lincoln mom
The GHS teachers are staying out of it...not openly encouraging, not discouraging. Trying to lay low I think.
-Garfield Mom
FYI, our school hasn't done much in the way of test prep yet. If that changes, there's a chance that his increased familiarity with the test/format might cause him to change his tune, in which case we'd likely opt out completely. Regardless of what happens this year, I suspect next year will be a full opt-out year after the novelty has worn off.
Lassie
- NWE
WSea
Chris S.
West Seattle Parent
- North-end Mom
I've discussed the issue with friends who are parents of elementary students and they had no clue what I was talking about.
"Not opting out at View Ridge for a number of reasons, although I dislike everything I have heard about the test and am against it! I have heard almost no discussion about opting out among parents. Guessing no opt-outs at this school, or very few."
Your comment leaves me puzzled as you seem very against the test.
I think teachers are too lazy to fight and are afraid of being found out. It's amazing how little work they actually do at many grade levels ,it appears they just get paid for baby siting. Really, I just don't see how they can compete with youtube when it comes to delivering subject matter.
I feel bad for the few good teachers out there getting pulled down into the muck by all those accidental teachers.
seeya WEA
LM
-IHS Mom
Seas
Ballard Mom
SBMOM
Please understand, that most teachers are not in favor of this test. We have asked for a forum to discuss but have not been allowed to do so- in fact just the opposite, lots of threats.
Parents are who will be listened to. I will keep voicing my concern, both directly to my superiors as well as to my union, but we need parents to be an active political voice. Please realize that most teachers are not financially secure enough to risk losing their job even though they abhor censorship!
C.A.T.: Concerned and active teacher
I don't feel conflicted this year because the test is so much more problematic... and we've left VR...
E&L mom
Opt Out
5th wants to take science msp, so we will do that.
no pushback about opt out.
signed - out
- RS Mom
I'm a teacher and I actually laughed out loud at your post. Clearly you don't know many teachers. I work in a school that's nearly 80% free and reduced lunch. Every weekend 1/2 to 2/3 of the classroom teachers are in the building prepping for HOURS. The rest are working at home. This last weekend I spent 5 hours in the building on Saturday and 4 hours on Sunday. Then I spent an additional 3 hours at home. I don't know what planet you live on, Seeya, and I'm assuming you got burned by a teacher somehow somewhere, but at least at my elementary, ALL the teachers are good for kids, and ALL of us are WOFAO (figure it out) for kids.
Signed,
WMFAO
WSDWG
People don't see enough of the hours we put in. Thanks for putting numbers to it. I, too, am in the building much of the weekend- either one whole day or sometimes shorter hours over two days. And there are times I go in but am so burned out that I get little done so get back on Monday morning early, early, early.
Regarding testing: My biggest gripe is why testing starts so early. I teach primary and yes, we get tested as well. MAP - okay. Still, with holidays and conferences Sept - Dec, as teaching months they are pretty ragged. Also, children are very immature at that time - thinking K-1 here. Really, my best teaching time is Feb-June. So why test in May which is when we start even at primary. Let us have a full term and then test. So, a bunch of people in admin will have to stay to work on the testing but my kids will have had a good school term to learn.
I've never understood testing in May when school isn't out until the middle of June. Sorry but I need that time to teach esp. since those are the months my kids are really mature enough to learn.
Do you think that the veddy, veddy rich simply want a whole population of under-educated people to serve their wants and needs? Sometimes I wonder . . .
Emile
People's ignorance of a teacher's reality is just stunning at times. Absolutely jaw-droppingly stunning.
WSDWG
Reader47
I think they are efficient at their jobs and very rarely if ever need to work on the weekends. They both teach 2nd grade so that probably makes it easier only having 28 students vs MS and HS having 300.
Greener grass
I also knew two teachers who traveled every summer. One of them taught in a classroom next to mine. Sorry. He was a joke. Arrived at 8:40 and left at 3:10. I'm not sure he'd survive today. So he's overseas teaching military now. Yes, good teaching may be required but he gets very disciplined students as well. Funny, if kids like you parents tended not to complain. Of course, that was pretty much pretesting days.
BTW, $170K between two of them? Something doesn't compute unless they are in administration. Me thinks you may be pulling a Bryan Williams on us . . .
The test at 10th grade is the one that meets graduation requirements. Without it, your child cannot graduate from high school.
If they take it and fail, they can access other options. However, they can't access other options until they take it.
If you opt out at 10th grade, you would be forced to take SBA at 11th grade to get your attempt in before you could access other options.
The 10th grade test this year is a paper and pencil test--not the computerized monstrosity that is SBA. The questions may be drawn from SBA's item bank, but that's the only similarity. It is, in fact, much closer to the old HSPE and Math EOC than it is to the new SBA.
I will be opting my child out next year when he reaches 3rd grade, so don't confuse me with a sympathizer for the Testing-Industrial Complex.
Meanwhile, I advise parents of 10th graders not to cut your nose off to spite your face. 10th grade is the one and only time NOT to opt out your kid!!!!
Admin Anti-Testing
If you have a 3rd grader who can't perform 1st grade multiplication at the end of third grade I would say there's a serious problem with the school system in which teacher's are the primary piece of that system.
I see problems on both sides of the issue, mainly giving teachers credit for students who actually learned their knowledge outside of the teachers classroom. Many struggling students receive tutoring outside of the school. Why should the teacher receive a benefit for another teacher's work? I've seen quite a few classrooms where the teacher is just terrible at teaching math and what do the parents do, they all hire a math tutors and what does the school do, takes credit for the students improved math scores. Why doesn't the school do something about the situation?
They don't because teachers don't rat on other teachers. They let inferior instruction in their buildings go on for years, they turn a blind eye to verbal and physical abuse. Many even think they are the victims in our broken system.
There is a flawed argument being made by the union that testing is not beneficial to students, they say they don't like purposed SBAT, but I don't think they would support any test if linked to teacher performance because the system is poor and they the teachers are going to be thrown under the buss by the school administrators for decades of inadequacies.
Common sense.
CT
GHS parent
If a child does not know basic math, and Discovery Math is used, is it the teacher's fault?
There are school board members that don't support the excessive testing that we are seeing with MAP, Amplify and we're having more testing with SBAC. Of course, district documents don't include IB, AP and SAT exams.
It doesn't make sense that some state a mere 1% of test scores could be used for teacher evaluations. One should consider: The legislature is trying to insert themselves into union bargaining contracts.
NEmom
Don't let them use that ruse against you. That "0" on a refused test is there as a scare tactic. They know perfectly well how the school is doing when those opt-out numbers are taken out of the equation. It is just an easy excuse to use when SPS wants to do something the public doesn't like and it is easily refuted.
Opt out. The only thing that it will reflect upon your school is that there are actively engaged and thoughtful parents in the community.
No drama from admin on the parent side. Definitely towing the party line when it comes to warning teachers, though.
Where is this money going? Has anyone seen the new Weighted Staffing Standards? What is the district spending the money on - and will it replace the benefits of school-based services that have to be cut?
I'll see what I can find out - but please chime in if you have any information.
"Do you think that the veddy, veddy rich simply want a whole population of under-educated people to serve their wants and needs? Sometimes I wonder . . ."
N, as do I. But it depends on if we are educating or training students.
Ragweed, I can certainly understand that dilemma at Licton Springs b/c of the years of threats to close it. That your community is still wary is probably a good thing.
Pollyanna, Nyland and Codd were there b/c of the loss of control over the Title One funds attached to NCLB. Or, at least, that's one reason.
To note, the SEA's contract DOES already include using test scores as part of the evaluation. So it's pretty interesting that Seattle could get this done w/o giving in to Duncan and yet we need a law to force other districts? Hmm.
I agree about that "it could be as low as 1%" nonsense.
Lynn, I do still need to get to that thread on school budgets. I truly believe the schools are being starved for administration.
I'm glad to know at least one other JSIS parent is opting out. Keep in mind this is a school that raised over $400K in this year's Annual Fund, which is dedicated to supporting immersion education. Wouldn't it be nice if every school got an extra $400K a year? "Private school at public price" is how at least one of the rental ads on Craigslist ran for this neighborhood.
GenEd 1.0
FRL 10.0
SPED self-contained 2.0
ELL 0.6
SPED 0.5
Example: A SPED student that is also FRL
1.0 + 10.0 + 0.5 = 11.5
(versus 1.0 for a student that is GenEd only)
You can do the math and understand how this may lead to significant cuts in some schools. At what point are they overcorrecting and cutting services to the very students they are trying to help, or simply shortchanging all students at a given school?
For Ingraham (numbers taken from OSPI):
2014-15 ?% FRL
2013-14 34% FRL
2012-13 39% FRL
2011-12 48% FRL (1st class of IBX students?)
-numbers
-Fedmomof2
You have to drill down to find it:
April (various dates) Smarter Balanced English Language Arts Testing (via LA classes)
Smarter Balanced Assessment: This exam is replacing the High School Proficiency Exam that has been administered for many years. The Class of 2017 is required to earn a passing score on the ELA exam as a High School Graduation Requirement.
This test is a College and Career Readiness Exam and there will be a higher cut score that will show whether student's are deemed to have acquired the skills and knowledge to be ready to be successful after high school. Meeting this score will automatically make students eligible for 100 level classes at all public 2 and 4 year Universities in Washington.
The exam is a computer adaptive test (it adjusts the difficulty based upon your success) and will be taken online during four Language Arts classes. To learn more about the exam and the requirements, click on the state Smarter Balanced Assessment page.
Ballard Parent
I was planning on opting out my middle schooler, but my reconsider for the Math portion.
- Camel (thirsty for knowledge, not tests!)
Seriously, the refusal to participate was insane enough to push me over. Families have a legal right to opt out.
-parentof2
Anyone else?
I cannot imagine opting out exits any student from any program.
http://data.kitsapsun.com/projects/wa-school/
80k plus benes is not unusual for a 20 year or longer elementary teacher. There are some who make more with less time in.
If they take six weeks off, they deserve it. Can't even imagine the work a good teacher does and the stuff they put up with.
They're a bargain.
Sinbad
-VR parent of 2
No Algebra?
No Algebra?
You said "I am hearing from one parent that one school is saying if APP/Spectrum kids opt out, they will be exited from the program."
What? How can that be possible? Isn't opting out your right per OPSI? How could that not be blatant retaliation against a parent exercising their rights?
Please post what school is saying this. If it's true, then it needs to be publicly stated by all schools with an APP/HCC population. If it's not true, then shame on the school that is putting forth misinformation.
I opted out my HCC kid at JAMS, and did not receive any pushback.
-Areyoukiddingme?
I asked Anna Box, head of math department at SPS, about that very issue, i.e. what would replace the 4th grade MSP score that is currently used for 6th math placement. Her response was this " I am planning to work with both our internal assessment partners, teachers, principals, and parents over the next 6 - 8 months to be prepared for this transition."
So, it seems it remains to be decided.
However, the reason 4th grade MSP was used is because the 5th grade MSP scores would not be back in time to use. Given that the turn around time for scores is much quicker for SBAC (that is touted routinely as one of the advantages) I can't think why they would need to use 4th grade SBAC rather than 5th grade anyway.
If they did use the SBAC, how will they determine an appropriate threshold score to allow kids to take algebra in 6th anyway?
I'm not a 'mathy' person and don't feel I can contribute anything in this area but I would urge folks who are interested or do have expertise to contact Ms Box at SPS if they want to be involved in the decision process.
TBD
Frankly, I think it is wrong to use any test for future course placement if students don't know that it will be considered for that purpose at the time they take the test (I understand that has happened with MAP in the past). Students should know what is at stake (if anything) when they do a test.
Testy
WS Mama
I don't know the school but I did ask the district about this.
WS Mama, it would be nice if the district was truly transparent on all the costs for SBAC. I doubt if anyone could get a real answer.
That kind of rumor is awful!
--LM
-Areyoukiddingme?
Mr. Burke went into detail describing SMARTER Balanced Assessment Consortium (SBAC) and the four year timeline for assessments to be operational across Consortium states. Mr. Burke explained cost savings with CCSS ($20 vs. $43) per student test, due to economies of scale, and noted that they are not ready yet to use online exams. Directors noted there is a long lead time to upgrade school networks to facilitate online testing if CCSS decides to do that. Ms. Vavrus noted that in 2014, capacity issues might improve with technology and State Superintendent Randy Dorn wants to use online testing, but at the moment it is cheaper not to do that.
Source:
Work Session: Common Core State Standards (CCSS)
reader47
Notably - nobody expected CCSS to be a graduation, until, whoops by golly - there it is. Students in 2015 are taking SBAC for graduation in 10th grade.
SBAC Sucks.
Your kid will be taking the grade level SBAC, regardless of what class he or she is taking.
L.J.
From the Pioneer Institute for Public Policy Research:
We project the annual costs for states participating in the consortia will increase by a total of $177.2 million each year. These are not one time costs but ongoing operational costs that will be faced each year. Over the 7 year horizon of this cost analysis, the total increase would be over $1.2 billion.
http://www.accountabilityworks.org/photos/Cmmn_Cr_Cst_Stdy.Fin.2.22.12.pdf
The per test amount quoted by Reader47 only accounts for access to the test. The legislature has magically managed to find the funds to fully purchase the test itself but can't adequately fund the education that is supposed to be tested.
What is not included?
Hardware - all of those extra laptops, iPads, and desktop computers that are miraculously appearing; wifi capability
Internet What are the increased costs of having all schools wifi enabled?
Professional Development How much time did teachers have to spend learning how to teach our kids how to even take the test
I'm sure that there is a lot more that needs to be added to this list. Guess what? SPS isn't offering numbers for the true cost. Very cute how they have people thinking we are saving money!
I can confirm that students are handing out refusal forms to other students at Ingraham. This is completely student-driven; it does not involve faculty in any way.
David Edelman
here's some info on the tech requirements involved that includes some dollar amounts
SPS Recommendation for Online Assessment Technology and Instruction
It says among other things:
Approximately $900,000 in BEX IV Student Device funding would be used to purchase additional devices. In addition, current computing devices (desktops, laptops and iPads) at each school, that meet the minimum SBA requirements, would be available for SBA (as required and allocated by the schools).
reader47
RR Mom
CT
But,if asked, they DO have to answer questions in a clear manner and NOT add in any information that is not true (like your kid will get exited from the AL program).
Empl
To: Nathan Hale Parents of 11th Graders
RE: SBAC Testing Choice note for your student due this Friday, 4/3
Just a reminder that if you have decided NOT to have your 11th Grader take the SBAC test later this month, you will need to do one of the following by this Friday, April 3:
1) Send an email to JSHudson@seattleschools.org OR
2) Send a signed note with your child, to be turned in to the main office.
In either case, please state that you do not want your child to take the SBAC test, and provide your child’s name, and your name. As a reference, attached is a copy of the original email explaining why the Nathan Hale Senate voted not to give the SBAC test to our 11th graders this year. If you are interested in seeing some of the practice SBAC tests, go to: http://sbac.portal.airast.org/practice-test .
Lynn Jensen, Parent Representative on the Nathan Hale Senate
lynn@yogaforfertility.net
So we have until this Friday to opt out. My kid already turned in a form.
HP
THIS employee is wondering where that "SPS official SBAC training" is. There has been little to none in the building where this employee works. Teachers have been given no packet of proctoring rules, such as one would get with SAT or HSPE. Instructions on administering Classroom Instruction component, a preliminary to the Performance Task, are woefully inadequate and unclear.
Training? When? How?
It's been said that there has been very little training in the buildings, and some teachers are having to search for themselves to find training and instruction on how to administer these tests. The thought is that since classroom teachers are responsible for proctoring (if you can call it that in these haphazard and unreliable circumstances) then higher-ups merely washed their hands of it: "Let the teachers figure it out." Or the whole thing is merely a trial run and let's just see what happens this year, eh?
If people are expecting reliable results from the administration of the test this year, they'll have a long wait - there is little conformity in training, and will likely be all sorts of different things going on during administration: How many hours? What sort of breaks? How to deal with student who misses one day? Cell phone policy? Bathroom breaks? Classroom instruction notes used in performance task? Yes? No? What exactly is meant by a goal, a concept students must know going into Performance Task, of Classroom Instruction (one of two) that says the "impact of a person on the environment (good or bad) is greater than oneself"?
What IS an impact greater than oneself?
SBA's bad
The interface was not terrible. It wasn't great, either. I wish they had kept it simple. The drawing and dragging of boxes smacks of "developer gold plating."
The larger problem I have, and I recall someone mentioning this before, is I don't believe one should resort to "trickery" when assessing standards. On a math test, the question is "can you do the math?" NOT "Can you read the question very, very carefully?" or "Can you figure out what this confusing question is asking?"
Trickery is often used when you -ahem- are trying to "separate the wheat from the chaff" --i.e. make sure some fail. So is that the purpose of the test?
I realize I've circled around back to the political purposes of standardized testing; the test itself reveals that the purpose is not benign or "for the kids." So, I'd opt her out. However, now she wants to take it.
Chris S.
WS Seattle Mom
To everyone else - the latest thing on the new SBAC that really got me was something called a "performance task".
Here's how it works. A teacher (which can be anybody who has seen the slideshow) teaches the students - and then, the SBAC tests them on how well they learned and can apply the lesson, on what you've taught them. Huh? No information on what or how we were supposed to "teach" in the performance task, or how to prepare for that.
How can that possibly be fair? In this case - the teacher really does make a huge difference on how the student will score. How not? Fail to do a good job on the "Performance Task" teaching - and the students are sure to fail.
I can't believe that the public isn't up in arms about that one. Seems like the height of inequity to me.
Empl
Chris S -- I completely agree with what you wrote and particularly with your argument about the trickery. That is my impression as well.
You say the interface isn't terrible -- did your 5th grader use a mouse? If so, do you think all the scrolling would be a problem without a mouse?
Lincoln mom
Good thing you're the parent, right? Otherwise you might let her naive wishes make the decision. ;-)
Empl
You bring up a good point. The user experience with the interface is dramatically different depending on what hardware you are using. The test on a big, beautiful, wide iMac monitor is vastly different than the view on a laptop. You even have some kids taking it on iPads. Then there is mouse v. trackpad...
And what IS this "impact bigger than oneself" on the envoronment concept students have to know? Bigger than 5'11"? Bigger than the impact ON oneself? Are educators and students meant to infer an answer?
Yes, you have to wonder how outcomes will be depending upon what device a child is using (and their ability to use it). I think dropdowns are harder for younger kids to use.
Also, my sympathies to 10th graders because I do think it wrong to use this test for a high stakes purpose out of the box.
@dw Yes, I can see that she's going to be a misleading data point and that I should definitely make her a better offer :)
Ballard Parent