Open Thread Friday
There are no Director community meetings this weekend.
What are your kids doing for Halloween? Saw this funny article in the NY Times. Apparently they have created a costume so you can be...the BP oil spill. Or, dress up in Lady Gaga's "meat" dress. As I've said in the past, I love Halloween. No presents to buy, no relatives, you get to dress up however you want and...candy.
Also, FYI, today Whole Foods is starting a Green Halloween Costume Swap. They'll collect gently used costumes and accessories at all their locations on Saturday, Oct. 1. You'll get a ticket to come back on Saturday, Oct. 9th from noon to 3 p.m. and you can pick out a costume from the drop-off day. (For every costume or 5 small accessories you turn in, you get a ticket.) Good idea if you're wondering what to do with that too-small costume from last year. Also, Value Village is a great option for Halloween stuff but get there early in the month.
What are your kids doing for Halloween? Saw this funny article in the NY Times. Apparently they have created a costume so you can be...the BP oil spill. Or, dress up in Lady Gaga's "meat" dress. As I've said in the past, I love Halloween. No presents to buy, no relatives, you get to dress up however you want and...candy.
Also, FYI, today Whole Foods is starting a Green Halloween Costume Swap. They'll collect gently used costumes and accessories at all their locations on Saturday, Oct. 1. You'll get a ticket to come back on Saturday, Oct. 9th from noon to 3 p.m. and you can pick out a costume from the drop-off day. (For every costume or 5 small accessories you turn in, you get a ticket.) Good idea if you're wondering what to do with that too-small costume from last year. Also, Value Village is a great option for Halloween stuff but get there early in the month.
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Good overview of the variety of math curriculums out there. Also, quote about why EDM didn't cut it in a particular district. (Dan will be excited.)
This is a parent who will have split sibs, younger sib is not in K yet. So suppose in a couple years that younger child is in K and on waiting list for older sib's school. October 1 comes around, budget figures are set and waiting lists (centrally controlled) are dissolved. At this point, how much control does principal have? The person in this situation thinks that in this case, if a K student at older sib's school leaves, then the principal can fill that already-paid-for-spot with anyone they want, such as with this younger sib that never got off the waiting list.
I have absolutely no idea if this scenario is plausible according to the rules or not.
There was a parent (Luz?) at the NE 'welcome' meeting who is homeschooling her kindergartener because can't get in to older sib's school and I wanted to ask her if she had looked into this.
This year principals have zero control before or after September 30. General Ed, AL, all other programs - no control. At my school the Principal was not even allowed to see the wait list.
Admission after September 30 and prior to Open Enrollment is only to your Attendance Area school, or an Option School that has space available.
A Transition Plan will be introduced Dec./Jan. of each year to define enrollment rules for the upcoming year. This will happen until the NSAP is deemed fully implemented (2015.) Your friend could start lobbying for a return of some control to the local school level, allow siblings to stay on the wait list for a longer period of time, ...
Thanks for the heads up. The adoption of EDM in Seattle was an example of the usual insanity. Let us call it what it was "Abuse of Discretion".
Directors do not care about overwhelming evidence. They choose to trust their hired professionals.
I am totally done with that mode of operation and am bursting into total attack mode.
In regard to NTN, Action Report of July 1, 2009 declared Cleveland a STEM option school which would require Calculus.
District, because 4 directors chose to ignore overwhelming evidence, bought Project Based Learning {NOT STEM} for $800,000, which is available for far less elsewhere.
This was done without the requisite documentation for a "Sole Source Justification". Those four directors with this action violated the state law for competitive bidding. Violated their own Board policies. Violated their oath of office.
Since it is now known that an appeal filed May 6, 2009 over the High School Math adoption, although won, now sits in Washington Appeals court waiting to be heard likely in the Spring of 2011, I can hardly endorse the appeal of school board decisions as much of a remedy.
However removing Directors with a recall will be significantly speedier than that, if it can be accomplished. Not being a lawyer, I am learning how to win by losing thus far .. (with the exception of Keith Scully's fine work).
Well a group of us think we've got this how to write a recall filing now under control.
Look to see each of four school directors in Superior Court for a recall sufficiency hearing before Thanksgiving.
(IMHO) This time petitions for the recall and discharge of each of four school directors will be drafted for circulation of signatures.
Get ready to help get 32,000 valid signatures of registered Seattle voters on each petition. Yes you can sign all four.
My view is ...
"SingaporeMath.com, a company that has distributed the “Primary Mathematics” books in the United States since 1998, reports that it now has sales to more than 1,500 schools, about twice as many as in 2008."
Primary Mathematics is the superior series, the one to advocate for in waivers and in district adoptions and state recommendation approvals.
At older daughters school- there was a rule, no store bought costumes- they would make their own costumes from the scrap bag & parents would come to do face painting- it was really fun.
Younger daughters school made a haunted house for the younger kids ( it was a big thrill when she was old enough to be one of the " older kids") & I miss taking them out trick or treating ( although my younger one hated it- so we usually went to the Science center overnight instead)
Halloween is one of the most creative holidays I think- & it gives me a chance to get rid of my beanie babies.
( I let kids pick one to go with their candy)
We also used to go hear story telling- at the Phinney Ridge neighborhood center & at someplace in the U district with Naomi Baltuck-
sigh.
Dorothy, on the waitlist point. I believe Sherry Carr is going to introduce a motion to extend the waitlist a week to help the finally 30 families whose kids aren't together.
Seattle University wanted to provide clock hours to teachers for the forum with Diane Ravitch next Tuesday at Seattle University. SU will be offering three clock hours to teachers for this forum.
To be able to provide those hours, Seattle University has graciously offered the following program.
Teachers wanting to attend the Forum and earn 3 clock hours need to do the following:
5:45 – 6:45 Attend a discussion at Pigott Auditorium led by Seattle University.
7:00 – 9:00 Attend the forum with Dr. Ravitch.
Following the forum, teachers can get their sheets signed by SusanEllen Bacon, PhD, from the College of Education and pay the $15 fee (check payable to Seattle University). She will be available in Pigott Atrium at one of the tables.
Race to Where!? A Forum on Public Education in America
Featuring
Diane Ravitch
Live from New York University
Former Assistant Secretary of Education, Research Professor of Education at New York University and a historian of education and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C.
Dr. Ravitch shares a blog called Bridging Differences with Deborah Meier, hosted by Education Week.
Dr. Ravitch is also the author of The Death and Life of the Great American School System.
Wayne Au: Assistant Professor, Secondary Social Studies Education, UW Bothell and Editor of Rethinking Schools.
Jesse Hagopian: Teacher and a founding member of the progressive caucus Social Equality Educators (SEE).
Dora Taylor: SPS parent, Educator, Co-Editor of Seattle Education 2010, founding member of Parents Across America and Parents Across America, Seattle.
The Moderator will be Sue Peters, SPS parent, education activist, co-editor of Seattle Education 2010 and a founding member of Parents Across America.
Tuesday, Oct 5
7:00 PM
Pigott Auditorium
At Seattle University
brought to you by:
Seattle Education 2010
Parents Across America
Social Equality Educators (SEE)
In conjunction with:
Seattle University’s
Matteo Ricci College
and the
College of Education
Hope to see you there!
The legal definition of harassment is any physical or verbal abuse of a person because of race, religion, age, gender, disability or any other legally protected status.
The school board has no such status.
And beyond the legal definition, one person's "harassment" is another 's "accountability."
Judge Laura Inveen
Appeal of:
New Student Assignment Plan boundaries Ovalles & Glasscock argued Pro Se
Still no decision.
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District failed to provide "Certified Correct Record" and Violated Open Public Meetings act as they lack minutes at several Board Work Sessions and Board Retreats where the Student assignment Plan boundaries were discussed.
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WOW!! how about those boundary lines?
Check Meg's Crappy Charts if you have not been there.
Spectrum is self-contained (or, at least, it is supposed to be). That's how it is different from an ALO. Don't like self-contained? Then don't choose Spectrum. Every other school in the McClure Service Area offers an ALO, so an inclusive model is available for the folks who want it.
The Dolphin asked "How many Spectrum designated K-5s are self-contained? And do they fill extra slots with teacher identified advanced learners?"
That's how it is supposed to work. It's hard to say for sure, but some data is available. There are enough students to put together self-contained - or nearly self-contained - classes at Wedgwood, View Ridge, Whitworth, Lafayette,
North Beach and Lawton are about half there, which is pretty good.
Arbor Heights, Hawthorne, and BF Day have brand new programs and we can't expect them to be fully enrolled yet.
Muir is not as close. I'm afraid it's going to get smaller still at Muir because it is switching from the South Cluster to the Washington Service Area. Muir might have been able to build a program if it were the designated school for the Mercer Service Area, where it has a history and a constituency, but it's too far away from the center of the Washington Service Area to draw students.
Wing Luke, also, isn't close. There are issues around developing a program in Southeast Seattle.
The Dolphin wrote: "Most Spectrum school websites don't even mention that they have the program, much less how it is implemented."
Most Spectrum schools don't reference the program in their CSIP - even though they are required to do so.
Spectrum all across the District is messed up because it doesn't have an advocacy group - The Spectrum Advisory Committee was disbanded - the District doesn't enforce the prescribed delivery model, and the District doesn't provide any quality assurance at all.
The District is killing the program through neglect.
There is, officially, a Spectrum program at Aki Kurose. In 2009, the last year with data available, the program had only two students, both in the 8th grade. There may not have been any Spectrum students at Aki Kurose last year and there may not be any there this year. Without students, how can the District claim to have a program there? Even if there were a handful of students, how can anyone claim that they are providing an academic opportunity that is comparable to the one at Eckstein or Whitman? Where's the curricular alignment for these kids?
And, here's a case where those frivolous cases backfire for the filer.
the difference between "now" and "then" for the spectrum advocacy group are internet tools like this handy blog where people can meet without having to come to an all-city, in-person meeting. it means a heck of a lot more power for the families of this district. if they choose to take it. and yes, sadly, the district does not quite get it yet that many of us ARE choosing to take it.
happy empowerment friday.
http://tinyurl.com/2ejkeza
The fact that there is another RCW prohibiting the public appealing the super's contract extension was not known to the filers at the time...
And as they were pro se, (self represented), I dont think that lack of knowledge would make their concerns and attempted access at recourse/redress "frivolous"...
I think its incredible that the public doesnt have any avenue of protest/influence open to it in this case...
Dan (and all the other people involved in the various lawsuits - probably around 30 people) are all deeply concerned and profoundly distressed by the District's refusal to abide by law and process and are doing whatever they can to express that concern and to attempt to hold the district responsible and accountable - since it seems there is no other method for achieving that and no other body tasked with keeping the District honest....
I'm confused: The author, Tom Stritikus, is the Dean of the UW College of Education, yet he makes a statement that just makes no sense to me. Maybe someone can help me out:
"Yet this debate must extend beyond charter schools and alternative certification — it must focus on how to train and hire quality teachers for every classroom in the United States — charter, Teach for America, College of Education or any other alternative."
The way I read this, he wants to focus on "quality teachers" (of course) in these kinds of classrooms: "charter, Teach for America, College of Education or any other alternative."
Wha...? Do we now need "quality teachers" up there at the UW's College of Education? Is there such thing as a Teach for America classroom? omg, I hope not.
The gist of his argument is that students need a variety of options (charters and alternatives...SPS alternatives? He doesn't say) and about teachers, that "if we want today's students to succeed, we must take care that their teachers bring that understanding of diversity to their classroom practice."
Hmm. This is unclear to me, and I think it begs a thread on differentiation. The more the reform movement becomes apparent, the more I hear this idea that teachers must teach to a diverse range of students.
What does this mean? Does it mean that teachers must address the cultural ways of understanding of each "category"? Does it mean teachers have to differentiate to diverse levels of skill or knowledge? Do they have to accelerate the low-skill students while teaching also the at-level and advanced?
So not only am I confused by his statement that there are TFA classrooms and, evidently, College of Education classrooms needing "quality teachers," I'm also unclear what, exactly, is expected of a teacher in a "diverse" classroom. I've got my theories as to what I'd imagine a GOOD diverse classroom to be like, but wonder what the reformistas have to say about it.
I am not sure how the levies work,does the levy come from just taxes on assessed value or do they get a cut from sales as well? Either way, this source has to be taking a hit at the same time the state will have to cut back, thats 76% of the pie getting smaller.
My fear is that things are actually worse than they are letting on/realize, can someone reassure me o/w?
I called OSPI about the $208 million on the way from WA DC via the RIFed teacher funding. Little Wiskah SD in Grays Harbor County will be getting $55,000.
Seattle I dunno.
From the NH news bulletin: We have a new greenhouse with a HUGE space for a school garden and are envisioning a place where students can learn valuable gardening skills, grow nutritious food, and eventually harvest enough to supplement our school lunch program. We are seeking your input and support with this project and invite you to the first design team meeting. We will meet at the new greenhouse (located just north of Jane Addams School) for a 20-minute tour, followed by an hour-long brainstorming session in P18 (just south of Raider Field). A light dinner will be served and all students, family members and others in our community are invited to attend.
Wow guess you need to look at the filings and tell me where they are frivolous, because the court system has yet to find one that way.
Here is a deal for you.
Send me your email and I'll send you the next recall filing.
Then you can tell me how it is frivolous before I file it.
If it is really frivolous, then I won't file it.
request for next recall filing to:
dempsey_dan@yahoo.com
Oh, sure wish you were annoyed at some of the school board directors for their "Abuse of Discretion" as when they do not look at large portions of evidence and make decisions that no reasonable person would make.
I'll be looking for your request so you can help me out.
Thanks,
Addams is an Option school. I wonder if there might be some interest there in becoming an Alternative school? I have heard some rumblings that Susan Enfield may be interested in the concept of new 'Innovation' schools. But it's unclear to me what the process would be.
1. what part of speech is "lance"
2. what is the rhyming scheme of a sonnet
3. does a caveman whose fire has just gone out feel nervous or tough
4. what book would you find next to a book on hoover--a book on wonka, eisenhower, the titans
5. what is the symbolism of the rose in the Scarlet Letter
6. what is parallelism
7. what is the homonym for pear
The real problem I have with the reading test is the fact that there is so little actual reading on the test. They don't read more than a page total on an hour's test! How crazy is that.
Please blog any questions you have noted from the Fall MAP test so I can present them to the School Board on Wednesday. Thank you.
Also something about Kafka, but I can't remember the question.
Our principal joked he'd be giving the parents a pop quiz. I think you should present this as a test for the board.
When you present to the board on NWEA, please ask them for their explanation of how it is not a conflict of interest that the superintendent is on the board of NWEA, was on the board of NWEA when she proposed MAP as a sole-source contract without disclosing her NWEA board seat to the SPS board, and why she has not been asked to at least step down from that board seat.
She also told the board it needed to be a sole-source contract, no-bid, as NWEA was the only company that made such a test, which is patently untrue.
She should have resigned the NWEA board before even bringing the idea of a MAP contract to the SPS board. She didn't. Please ask the board to censure her for these gross breach of ethics.
If you are proctoring the exam, certainly it would be a violation of testing protocol to release questions in a public forum.
That said, if a fourth grader is getting those types of questions, they are most likely scoring in the top 95-99%. That is the way the test is designed. It asks out of level questions. It's testing more how well-read the child is, rather than simply testing reading comprehension. The math portion seems similar - it is testing exposure to concepts.
The issue for me is how the teacher will interpret (or misinterpret) the results.
Yes, some of the questions are above-level on purpose, but what do we make of a question like Mary Tate posted:
What part of speech is "lance"?
Quick: noun or verb?
Lance = proper noun The Bicycle Guy
next question
Lance - noun (the knight held his lance). Also verb (the Doctor needs to lance the boil).
Non-Latin Speaking Mom
Perhaps my kid reads a lot but loves stories about knights, wizards, and dragons.
They may know lots about knights of the round table, Harry Potter definitions, and all types of dragons - Chinese dragons of fortune, or the treasure hoarders from, "The Hobbit." If all of the questions on their test are about Greek Mythology, or the works of Mark Twain - and these are not topics of their interest or covered in the classroom -- then they are going to bomb the test.
If they get a test sequence pertaining to their interest and books they have read they can ace it.
If they get a different question stream, they may be no less literate or intellectually capable, but just on a topic in which they do not have an interest -- as an example Presidents of the United States.
As no two tests are alike and no two kids are alike, and as the test is not based on a core set of knowledge a kid is supposed to know by any set standard...then how do you compare one 40% to another?
Post away.
And why opt-out when you can sit with your child while they take the test? (I considered opting-out my child, but was gently discouraged by the principal...)
I'm still suprised they didn't have you sign a non-disclosure statement...usually the SSD lawyers are more agressive.
MGJ directed the monies to this firm, she sits on the Board of Directors, she has not signed an agreement saying that she will not profit in the future, she did not disclose her board position when the contract was presented and voted upon.
In the Levy close to a million will go towards, 'testing.' Not defined but suspect the MAP.
I suppose one could game the system by having, oh, a third of the kids take the first MAP test, then that same third plus an additional third take the mid-year one, and finally, have 'em all take it. Presto, test scores improve at a phenomenal rate! Those must be AWESOME teachers.
"Addams is an Option school. I wonder if there might be some interest there in becoming an Alternative school?"
Maureen, it's my understanding that as far as SPS central is concerned, there ain't no such animal as an "alternative" school. Do you understand there to be some difference between option and alternative schools, beyond the rhetorical baggage that travels with each term?
Mary Tate, did they allow you to record your child's questions and answers? I emailed my school's test coordinator and asked how the FERPA rule was being enforced (i.e., how could I see my kid's test) and she didn't answer me. My kid took the tests last week. I wonder what sort of recourse I have at this point?
The conclusion was that those are the people who never win.
This made me think of the new breed of "education leaders," like Rhee and MG-J, somehow.
Are you sure this is below grade level? My reading of the map scores (available online grade by grade) indicates that 60% is high average. I think this means your child scores more highly than 60% of children who take the test.
This is actually where I think the district could do a better job - educating the parents on what the scores mean.
Br> I think it is important for everyone to know that these are not intelligence tests - just knowledge tests. Children learn at different rates - depending on exposure and interest (as noted on other posts).
If used correctly - tests can be good tools. I think this test should be aligned with our standards, but I am not afraid of testing per se.
FYI, this is what the Superintendent had to say about her involvement with NWEA (November 18, 2009 board meeting, about 105:40 into the meeting):
"I want to make a couple comments relative to NWEA and MAP. Relative [sic], I just wanted to publicly state and bring to the board’s attention that I have been a member of the board since August of 2008 and that’s reflected and has been reflected on my bio, which is on the web, but I also wanted just to clearly state that the position is unpaid, it’s a nonprofit board and that I am not involved in the recommendation or the briefing or the submitting bids or reading bids. So, I don’t know if you remember now but Jessica talked about a very comprehensive assessment process that we went through when the board initially adopted MAP [June 2009 for introduction] and tonight later on actually it’s a part of the levy and the BTA as it relates to the academic piece. So I wanted to just bring that up publicly at this point and actually mention it again so if there’s any questions or concerns that clearly, there’s not a conflict of interest and I wanted to say that."
So, to sum: the Superintendent declared that clearly there was no conflict, so the board nodded and said there was no conflict (on an item that had introduction, but then was put on the consent agenda). It's a good example of inadequate board oversight.
Anyone else try this? Did you get a response?
yumpears
A Baker
A Baker
So if 6 kids score > 80% on the MAP math section in one class, will the teacher be able to deviate from EDM pacing to provide more challenging or better yet, "in depth" math? Same w/ reading?
In anycase, are teachers today incapable of figuring where kids are in their class without MAP testing 3x/year? Or are we aiming the MAP to help a very small group of clueless teachers? If so, can't we figure a cheaper way during the "budget crunch"? Not to mention the loss instruction time because of the testing (since I am dong so much supplementing @ home, I value every minute of instruction time@ school).
In any case, now what? We have all this great data we generate 3x/ year. How do we take all that great stuff and translate that into the classroom? I am in my kids' classrooms all the time and also tutor struggling readers. All I see is lack of support for teachers trying to "differentiate teach" so that all children "receive the support they need to succeed." How do you do that WELL as your class size gets bigger?
Can we get better reading books, better science curriculum, better professional developement and mentoring aim at science and math for elementary teachers who may not be math and science specialists (not just how to teach EDM)?
So I am waiting to hear from SPS what great things MAP will do for the kids besides providing more info (using it as a gatekeeper for APP/spectrum does not count). As for teacher eval, isn't that the job of central admin/principal, not the NWEA?
Perplexed
Too much testing, if you sit with your child, won't he/she be tempted to ask you things? I'd be interested in hearing what "gentle" words your principal used to convince you to have your child take the test.
I think the district is telling principals to tell parents that their child might lose eligibility for certain programs/activities if they don't take the test. I'm still waiting for Dr. Enfield's reply to this questions of opting out of MAP and/or WASL.
LG, thanks for that question. I wanted to write a thread on that as I learned some new info on that issue.
I distinctly remember my daughter learning about onomatopoeia in second grade (regular classroom, not Spectrum), long before we had the MAP. I have an old post to another forum about it, so I am sure of the date.
I think they even had the word as a bonus on the spelling list -- she certainly did learn to spell it, at any rate, finding it a fun challenge (she has a touch of dyslexia, and though she can memorize words for a test quite easily, at the same time as she learned "onomatopoeia" without breaking a sweat, she was consistently misspelling quite common words).
Helen Schinske
A Baker
In so far as a grade equivalent could be useful at all, it might be better to know where she'd stack up against a population of older students who actually like to read. The point at which she would be 75th percentile rather than 50th is probably about right (that is, she probably reads more like a fairly well-read 5th-grader than like an indifferent 7th-grader).
Helen Schinske
A Baker
If the MAP is really to work as advertised, the winter assessment is pretty much crucial, to see if whatever intervention was instituted after the fall scores were known has worked or not. If it totally doesn't work as advertised anyway, there's no point in administering it at all, and you might as well save *all* the money.
Helen Schinske
The reading portion provides what they call a lexile which helps determine a child's reading level, tracks each child's reading level (of different reading materials i.e. non-fiction, poetry, etc.)and comprehension over time. You can use this to develop a reading list for your child. (We are supplementing w/ Mary Wise Bauer History of the world series for example.)
Don't know how teacher will use this test for each child, but for parents who have the time to analyze the tests, it can be a helpful tool for them if they wish to supplement. Ask your child's teacher for the MAP score and have them go over it w/ you at the P-T conference (don't accept the "your child is doing great and not to worry about the score". Make the effort your child put in the MAP testing and the money spent on it mean something for your child.)
making it work
A Baker
Yes, you did. And on the very thread where we were talking about winter scores going down, I said this:
"That sounds to me like a reason to either investigate what's going on (with either the test or the instruction or both) or drop the test entirely. Keeping the test but dropping the winter administration makes absolutely no sense to me. If it's invalid in winter, why is it more valid in fall and spring? Just because it's giving you results that are more like what you expected anyway? That doesn't seem like a good reason to mistrust the results offhand: after all, what you want from a new test is DIFFERENT data than you had before, no? Getting something unexpected should be a reason to check it out, not to throw it out."
See the whole discussion here.
Helen Schinske
For example, when are roots words supposed to be taught? I don't think it's second grade...
And for the Hoover/Wonka example, you would first need to be familiar with names of American presidents (US history starts in 5th grade?). You would then need to have some library science instruction (which the District seems to be doing away with) in order to know that biographies are catalogued alphabetically by person and fiction is alphabetical by author. Then you would need to know that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was written by Roald Dahl. When does SSD actually cover this material?
The more someone can show the disconnect between the test and the content of material actually being taught in classrooms, the more likely people will take notice.
Just my two cents.
-Another concerned Mom
Grade 4
1.2.2 Explain how to derive word meaning from knowledge of affixes and roots
Grade 5
1.2.2 Use abstract, derived root words, prefixes,and suffixes from Greek and Latin to analyze the meaning of complex words
So root words are supposed to be introduced in 4th grade and covered more explicitly beginning in 5th grade.
How many parents of 4th and 5th graders can tell us whether root words are being covered beginning in 4th/5th grade?
-Another concerned Mom
The recommended Social Studies sequence covers US History (pre-colonial period to Independence) in 5th grade and US History & Government (primarily 19th Century) in 8th grade, and then US History & Government (primarily 20th & 21st Centuries) in 11th grade.
That would mean Eisenhower and Hoover wouldn't be discussed until 11th grade. Yes, 11th grade.
So I think you can make the argument that the material is way above grade level for a 2nd grader.
-Another concerned Mom
I would object to the Scarlet Letter one unless it was based on reading a particular passage about the rose from that book. I don't think the test should reference any particular text. Can't make head or tail of the caveman.
Incidentally, when I was given the opportunity to review my daughters' WASL tests, I had to sign something saying I would not reveal test content. There are released sample questions that can be discussed without any ethical problem: see for example http://www.nwea.org/support/article/1140 (click on RITcharts.zip to download samples).
Helen Schinske
Bird posted this on another thread:
I did find out from Enfield that the bit about scoring 85% on the MAP was intended to broaden the number of kids taking the CogAT, not narrow it.
They're sending out letters to anyone scoring over 85%, encouraging them to do CogAT. Enfield said, if your kid doesn't meet that MAP threshold you can still request testing.
She admitted that the website was confusing and said they'd fix it.
Helen Schinske
So if the MAP scores don't qualify a student, does a student need to be privately tested (at the cost of the parents)?
Shouldn't this be very clear before the deadlines pass for testing?
If I read the charts correctly, the NWEA sample questions have "parallelism" and "extended metaphor" shown in a level 230+ question. Cross referencing with the Norm/percentile charts, a 230 RIT corresponds to the 85% for a 7th grader. So still, it seems way above level for a second grader.
-Another concerned Mom
I thought it was Mary Tate's fourth-grader who'd seen the parallelism question, not a second-grader, but whatever.
Helen Schinske
Well, obviously she's your daughter and it's your decision, but I don't see the point. In your shoes, I'd get her privately tested on a more respected instrument, and go from there. If she wanted to do work that was more at her level at home, I would give her the opportunity to work on something a bit more inspiring than old WASL questions, figuring she'd get enough of the specific test prep at school. Or I'd talk to her teachers about differentiation (not that I've had much luck with that in the past, but you never know, maybe you've got one of the teachers who actually does differentiate well -- I have certainly heard of a few).
Helen Schinske
"From a baseline average staffing ratio of 1 teacher for 70 elementary students and 1 teacher
for 45 secondary students and 1 instructional assistant for 28 students, SPS will incrementally
increase the number of bilingual certificated teachers and reduce the number of instructional assistants until the system-wide average staffing ratio is 1 bilingual certificated teacher to 50 elementary or 35 secondary students and 1 instructional assistant to 40 students. The transition to these new ratios will occur over at least three (3) years."
From the SEA newsletter:
"The controversy at the meeting was the decreased level of ELL Instructional Assistant staffing. Staffing ratios for Certificated Teachers and Paraprofessionals are part of the cert contract and were ratified on Sept. 2. The SEA leadership agreed that fewer Paraprofessionals working with students and families diminish the chance for students to get a quality education. All present vowed to take on this issue going forward."
I wish I understood this. What does it mean to have biligually certified teachers with a staffing ratio of 1:50 or 1:70? What would such a teacher do? Seems like the bigger push -- what with the incusion model -- would be more IAs. Especially since we have so many languages to cover. Wouldn't it be more cost effective, and could cover more languages, by having MORE ELL IAs?
That's a lot of time that students aren't able to use the library (and the librarian, who I believe is tasked with administering at least some of the tests). Ridiculous...
Signed: too close to home for my regular logon
The certified bilingual teacher supervises instruction for a large number of kids who speak a wide variety of languages. The IAs specialize in a language and help the kids get their work done and also help communicate with families (phone calls, translate at meetings, written translations). In my kid's K-8, we have one certificated staff member (0.8 FTE I think) who oversees about three IAs (each works maybe two days a week?). Together they cover about 50 ELL students.
Don't the relative numbers for elementary vs. secondary look weird? I would think that younger kids would get a better ratio than older ones?
see here:
http://hercasd.blogspot.com/
and here:
http://www.facebook.com/MiseducationNation?v=wall
"A lot of people here are starting to get mad too....thankfully.
Our biggest issue is the majority of our school board fighting to hold onto school buildings that are from 1909 and 1950 and then another one that's graduating class will be approximately 30 students.
They are about to renovate those 3 buildings to the tune of $75million plus in a district that has 50% of the children receiving free or reduced lunch, about 20% of our population in the district at age 65+, one of the higher unemployment rates in the state of PA at about 12%(not including those whose benefits ran out) and no show of new tax base, only declining enrollment.
Our district can least afford a tax hike where we are already paying one of the higher rates locally and if that doesn't piss people off that the board does not care about that, combined with nothing to assist our students in becoming 21st century learners, then I don't know what will!
It is absolutely crazy! And for our district, it is for the sake of keeping a building in the town because people want their grandchildren or children to go to the same school they went to.
There is nothing wrong with that, per se, but when it is just not economically sound, why remodel when you can possibly build something that actually has up to date science labs, etc? UGH"
Sound like anything happening within SPS? Remodels with massive blowouts? Kids being moved out of buildings and into less safe, less resourced ones? Minority kids being kicked out of their new buildings so that others can get to use the lovely space?
Craziness in this Alice in Wonderland world of public education....
I did find out from Enfield that the bit about scoring 85% on the MAP was intended to broaden the number of kids taking the CogAT, not narrow it.
They're sending out letters to anyone scoring over 85%, encouraging them to do CogAT. Enfield said, if your kid doesn't meet that MAP threshold you can still request testing.
She admitted that the website was confusing and said they'd fix it.
This was absolutely contradicted by Bob Vaughan at this month's APP meeting. He said that if a student didn't hit 85th percentile on the MAP that they would not be eligible for district provided cogAT testing. They can still put together an appeal using outside testing, but the MAP is a front-line filter.